In Fury Born

"Papatom" <thomasb.DeleteThis@uvic.ca> wrote in message
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>I read the book and it is fascinating, though I wonder how they fixed
> the event horizon problems on a black hold based FTL drive?
>
> Any way I felt that it was written so clearly that if I wanted to
> "game" the the battles out with miniatures.
>
> One question, what does Manticore Haven or the Sollies have against
> self-aware AI's. Apart from the humour they might provide AI's could
> definitely help with a lot of things. Can you imagine the
> "Salamander's" AI, it would be really fun....
>
> pops

It is not that the characters in the Honorverse have anything against
self-aware AI's, IMO it is David Weber who decided to not have them in the
Honorverse. [Smile]

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"Fred Burton" <fburton DeleteThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote in message
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> Papatom wrote in message ...
>>I read the book and it is fascinating, though I wonder how they fixed
>>the event horizon problems on a black hold based FTL drive?
>>
>>Any way I felt that it was written so clearly that if I wanted to
>>"game" the the battles out with miniatures.
>>
>>One question, what does Manticore Haven or the Sollies have against
>>self-aware AI's. Apart from the humour they might provide AI's could
>>definitely help with a lot of things. Can you imagine the
>>"Salamander's" AI, it would be really fun....
>>
>>pops
>
> I don't recall any discussions of AI ever coming up on any of the HH books
> or short stories.
>
>
>
>

I think when he was starting the series he was so tongue in cheek and bent
on his model that a lot of things got blocked. It bugs me some but you go
with the series or you read something else. I suspect he was only expecting
to write a few books and things took off more than expected.
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Fred Burton wrote:
> Papatom wrote in message ...
>> I read the book and it is fascinating, though I wonder how they fixed
>> the event horizon problems on a black hold based FTL drive?
>>
>> Any way I felt that it was written so clearly that if I wanted to
>> "game" the the battles out with miniatures.
>>
>> One question, what does Manticore Haven or the Sollies have against
>> self-aware AI's. Apart from the humour they might provide AI's could
>> definitely help with a lot of things. Can you imagine the
>> "Salamander's" AI, it would be really fun....
>>
>> pops
>
> I don't recall any discussions of AI ever coming up on any of the HH books
> or short stories.

Well, missiles and such have AIs. The Viper Anti-LAC missile is said to
have a considerably more advanced AI than most missiles it's size. For
the most part though, AIs seem to be concerned with below-the-surface
routine type considerations, or else just perform duties where direct
human countrol would be highly impractical or inherently deadly.

No sign of a smart-ass talking AI like the one that featured in exactly
one episode of Babylon 5 (where they accidentally activated, and then
later intentionally deleted, the station's on-board AI)

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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:51:27 GMT, an orbiting mind-control laser made
Papatom <thomasb.DeleteThis@uvic.ca> write:

>I read the book and it is fascinating, though I wonder how they fixed
>the event horizon problems on a black hold based FTL drive?
>
>Any way I felt that it was written so clearly that if I wanted to
>"game" the the battles out with miniatures.
>
>One question, what does Manticore Haven or the Sollies have against
>self-aware AI's. Apart from the humour they might provide AI's could
>definitely help with a lot of things. Can you imagine the
>"Salamander's" AI, it would be really fun....
>
>pops


http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/Harrington/hh_ais_and_nanotech.htm

As has been covered in the other replies, DW just didn't want
too-smart AIs in the Harrington setting.

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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:57:33 -0500, Jeffrey MacHott
<Raguleader.TakeThisOut@netzero.net> wrote:


>> I don't recall any discussions of AI ever coming up on any of the HH books
>> or short stories.
>
>Well, missiles and such have AIs. The Viper Anti-LAC missile is said to
>have a considerably more advanced AI than most missiles it's size. For
>the most part though, AIs seem to be concerned with below-the-surface
>routine type considerations, or else just perform duties where direct
>human countrol would be highly impractical or inherently deadly.
>
>No sign of a smart-ass talking AI like the one that featured in exactly
>one episode of Babylon 5 (where they accidentally activated, and then
>later intentionally deleted, the station's on-board AI)

using AI in the context of a missile's control softwear is a serious
misnomer. unless it can make a moderately decent attempt at passing
the turing test it's not entitled to be called an AI. really smart
"dog" brain maybe.
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>http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/Harrington/hh_ais_and_nanotech.htm
>
> As has been covered in the other replies, DW just didn't want
>too-smart AIs in the Harrington setting.
>

It could be that computer science is advanced to the point that AI's
are not required or that there is a disdain for AI's, I notice that
the focus of the most advanced thinking in the Honorverse is
nanotechnology. Why have a real being do the job,. when nanites will
do and they only have the awareness of ants.

It could be also that the Eridani accords forbid the use of an AI as
they can be used as a "planet killer".

The idea of sailing ships in space....I lke it and if one is a good
ship handler and can do the math...that is all you need.

Case in point...in the '70's early 80's they altered the programming
on certain nuclear powered ships as there was a slight chance that if
the crew was taken out you would have a ship automatically attacking
anything in a "threat matrix" sounds a little sci-fi, but the idea of
a rogue cruiser was too dangerous so they added the need for human
action to use the weapons systems. Can you imagine a "rogue"
HH class SD on the loose...It would not be pretty.

pops
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On 2006-07-01, forkliftramp.com <Brian_knowspam.McDonald.TakeThisOut@shaw.ca> wrote:
><Raguleader.TakeThisOut@netzero.net> wrote:

>>> I don't recall any discussions of AI ever coming up on any of the HH books
>>> or short stories.
>>
>>Well, missiles and such have AIs. The Viper Anti-LAC missile is said to
>>have a considerably more advanced AI than most missiles it's size. For
>>the most part though, AIs seem to be concerned with below-the-surface
>>routine type considerations, or else just perform duties where direct
>>human countrol would be highly impractical or inherently deadly.
>>
>>No sign of a smart-ass talking AI like the one that featured in exactly
>>one episode of Babylon 5 (where they accidentally activated, and then
>>later intentionally deleted, the station's on-board AI)
>
> using AI in the context of a missile's control softwear is a serious
> misnomer. unless it can make a moderately decent attempt at passing
> the turing test it's not entitled to be called an AI. really smart
> "dog" brain maybe.

That may be.

At any rate, there do seem to be all kinds of AI and/or pseudo-AI in the
background, with little mention. Like the "house AI" mentioned exactly
once in Ashes of Victory, and the things that they do in Echoes of Honor
where the thing needs to pass for a _specific_ human, which should be a
bit harder than a plain Turing test in certain areas even though they
aren't "unrestricted".



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Dahak wrote:

> http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/Harrington/hh_ais_and_nanotech.htm
>
> As has been covered in the other replies, DW just didn't want
> too-smart AIs in the Harrington setting.

IMO, An actual AI, able to pass the Turing Test, would be as pointless
as a robot that could pass has human.

Maybe nice for the gee whiz factor, but, other than that? Whoopee.
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I hate to use this example, but the AI on Andromeda. You ask what's
the matter and the AI could say "my Fineberg is jammed up against my
whatsis" It just seems simpler and faster and ios a way to make up
for crew shrotages, but, again, HH seems to do fine without an AI.
Why mess up the universe when things are going along swimmingly.

pops
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Papatom wrote:
> I hate to use this example, but the AI on Andromeda. You ask what's
> the matter and the AI could say "my Fineberg is jammed up against my
> whatsis" It just seems simpler and faster and ios a way to make up
> for crew shrotages, but, again, HH seems to do fine without an AI.
> Why mess up the universe when things are going along swimmingly.
>
> pops
consider their attitude twuards genies
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"wendal" <aehoppy DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Papatom wrote:
>> I hate to use this example, but the AI on Andromeda. You ask what's
>> the matter and the AI could say "my Fineberg is jammed up against my
>> whatsis" It just seems simpler and faster and ios a way to make up
>> for crew shrotages, but, again, HH seems to do fine without an AI.
>> Why mess up the universe when things are going along swimmingly.
>>
>> pops
> consider their attitude twuards genies
>

Very true. However this is the kind of thing that can creep up on you like
having a communicator that responds to call Fred Flintstone.

A slight side issue is that in maybe one hundred years or less a combination
of gps and accident avoidance systems is likely to have vehicles that humans
aren't allowed to pilot on the road system.
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On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:00:17 -0500, "deowll" <deowll DeleteThis @bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>A slight side issue is that in maybe one hundred years or less a combination
>of gps and accident avoidance systems is likely to have vehicles that humans
>aren't allowed to pilot on the road system.

100?

I would be very surpised if this hasn't happened in less than 50.
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Marc Reeve wrote:
> Jeffrey MacHott wrote:
>
>>
>> No sign of a smart-ass talking AI like the one that featured in
>> exactly one episode of Babylon 5 (where they accidentally activated,
>> and then later intentionally deleted, the station's on-board AI)
>>
> Ya mean the first of Harlan Ellison's two voice roles on B5? Skippy?
> (He was also the voice of "Zooty" (Teller) in season 5)
>

BAHAHA... that was Harlan too? I assumed that it was just Teller making
funny voices... hehe. :*D

You know what the Honorverse lacks? Comedians.

"Hey Zooty, Zoot Zoot!"

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