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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:14 pm
Post subject: Gays In Asimov Books
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| The End Of Eternity paperback page 34: Technician Andrew Harlan is
teaching Cub Cooper Primitive History. At one point Harlan thinks to
himself "(If Cooper could have brought himself to make advances, Harlan
might not have known how to respond.)". Since the Eternals didn't have
regular access to women, did many of them resort to homosexuality?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:55 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:25 pm
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virgiliopoeta wrote:
> Well, I'm not so sure. There is an undercurrent of homosexual desire in
> several early Asimovian works, as I have or will point out in my little
> outline of the Foundation series.
Asimov said in his autobiography that he found naked men to be
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:52 am
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:31 am
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:25 pm
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Gene Ward Smith wrote:
> virgiliopoeta wrote:
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> > Well, I'm not so sure. There is an undercurrent of homosexual desire in
> > several early Asimovian works, as I have or will point out in my little
> > outline of the Foundation series.
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> Asimov said in his autobiography that he found naked men to be
> repellant.
Oh, well. That's it then. Stright as a pin.
Case closed.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:58 pm
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"virgiliopoeta" <ggibson.TakeThisOut@mfire.com> wrote in message
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>> If you were a dictator capable of bending minds, wouldn't people hate and
>> fear you
>> too?
> Now that I think about it, I suppose that's true, until they were
> controlled. The Mule could make men adore him also, quite as much as
> women.
In fact, this drives the plot of one of the Foundation stories: a
Foundationer who originally fought against the Mule has been conditioned to
become one of the Mule's top lieutenants, but reverts to hating him when a
Second Foundationer removes the conditioning. >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:03 pm
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> Asimov's own character, first ignoring
> women altogether in his early manhood, then falling deeply in love with
> a woman chosen almost at random, then adopting an exaggerated Casanova
> pose in later life, is one of the accepted clinical types of the
> homosexual/bisexual in an intensely homophobic culture.
It's a clear picture of a male who had no idea how to attract women, fell in
love with the first pretty girl that would pay any attention to him at all,
and eventually figured out what parts of his personality worked for him
(becoming a celebrity didn't hurt there, either.) Classic nerd, in other
words. There's no need for any more elabortate hypotheses. >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:58 pm
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Tim Bruening wrote:
[SNIP]
> What type of non-sexual advances would Harlan not know how to respond to? What
> type of non-sexual advances did Harlan fear that Cooper might make?
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Simple, non-sexual, *social* advances, along the lines of "Do you wanna
go down the pub for a beer when we get this done, mate?"
Harlan was under-socialised, even for an Eternal.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:38 am
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"virgiliopoeta" <ggibson DeleteThis @mfire.com> wrote in message
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> [...] Nixon probably bisexual with a
> pronounced leaning to the homosexual side (he liked to seduce young
> government clerks while he was Vice-Prez, for example),
I don't expect you have any sort of evidence for this. >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:35 am
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In article <jlKOg.2398$e66.1677@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
mscottschilling.RemoveThis@hotmail.com says...
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> "virgiliopoeta" <ggibson.RemoveThis@mfire.com> wrote in message
> news:1158375741.065393.113640@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> > [...] Nixon probably bisexual with a
> > pronounced leaning to the homosexual side (he liked to seduce young
> > government clerks while he was Vice-Prez, for example),
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> I don't expect you have any sort of evidence for this.
Not on the record so far. Poster apparently has an agenda to get
everyone we've ever heard of (particularly conservatives) out of the
closet; whether they were ever there or not. >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:23 am
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On 15 Sep 2006 19:33:39 -0700, "virgiliopoeta" <ggibson.DeleteThis@mfire.com>
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>Or Goering, a transvestite?
Without commenting on your other delusional ravings, I'd just like to
point out that "transvestite" does not equate with "homosexual". >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:26 pm
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In article <r85mg218f9tddq76pgv8vdodqt7vicrt50.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <rgorman.RemoveThis@block.net> wrote:
> On 15 Sep 2006 13:40:14 -0700, "virgiliopoeta" <ggibson.RemoveThis@mfire.com>
> wrote:
>> One interesting sidelight on history is Hitler's
>> homosexuality.
> It would be more interesting if we had any real reason to think he was
> a homosexual.
Well, we know he was fond of musicals...
Sean Case >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:44 pm
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Mike Schilling a écrit :
> "virgiliopoeta" <ggibson.TakeThisOut@mfire.com> wrote in message
> news:1158375741.065393.113640@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> > [...] Nixon probably bisexual with a
> > pronounced leaning to the homosexual side (he liked to seduce young
> > government clerks while he was Vice-Prez, for example),
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> I don't expect you have any sort of evidence for this.
I do not provide detailed reading lists to unfriendly responders. Those
who prefer to remain in ignorance are welcome to do so. I will however
direct you to a web site: <A
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrebozo.htm> which should get
you started.
Also check out Sherman Skolnick on NIxon. >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:17 pm
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virgiliopoeta wrote:
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> I do not provide detailed reading lists to unfriendly responders. Those
> who prefer to remain in ignorance are welcome to do so.
Sounds like a pseudo-intellectual way of saying, "No, I don't have any
proof." >> Stay informed about: Gays In Asimov Books |
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