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Since: Nov 16, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 9:39 pm
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OK, wait a second. I just found Rebecca's great site (ok, so I'm an
occasional lurker), something just occurred to me.
I have always just assumed that the Haldane line was Deryni, dating
back to Megan de Cameron's marriage to Cinhil. I never really thought
about it, but then, just reading the site, I find that yes, that
assumption holds true.
Now, common canon is that the line is not Deryni until Jehana enters
the picture. In fact, subsequent children in the Haldane line do now
have the asterisk that indicates "Deryni-ness," even though Michaela
and Rhys-Michael's children have the asterisk. Shouldn't all of the
offspring from Cinhil and Megan be sporting the Deryni asterisk?
I am wondering why the Camberian council would not have considered or
remembered that they were adding Deryni blood into the mix all those
years ago? Why would they have to go through the whole process of
"empowering" the heirs if Megan was, in fact, Deryni?
Just some musings as I take a break from my thesis.
Best,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:40 am
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IIRC, Megan de Cameron was NOT Deryni. I believe Camber chose a human
queen candidate on purpose, because he wanted to restore the Haldane line
without looking like they were trying to keep a Deryni hand on the
throne.
Michaela Drummond was, although not of a very powerful line; furthermore,
her powers were blocked in childhood (during CTH) so she seemed to the
regents not to be Deryni, which was why she was even allowed to be with
Rhys Michael, despite her connection to the MacRories. Her mother, Elinor
Howell, was Cathan's widow and Davin and Ansel's mother before she married
James Drummond, himself a cousin to the MacRories--Camber's mother was a
Drummond, IIRC. She didn't know/remember that she was Deryni until Rhysel
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:40 pm
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>From: "DesertRose" desertrose5624 RemoveThis @yahoo.com
>IIRC, Megan de Cameron was NOT Deryni. I believe Camber chose a human
>queen candidate on purpose, because he wanted to restore the Haldane line
>without looking like they were trying to keep a Deryni hand on the
>throne.
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>Michaela Drummond was, although not of a very powerful line; furthermore,
>her powers were blocked in childhood (during CTH) so she seemed to the
>regents not to be Deryni, which was why she was even allowed to be with
>Rhys Michael, despite her connection to the MacRories. Her mother, Elinor
>Howell, was Cathan's widow and Davin and Ansel's mother before she married
>James Drummond, himself a cousin to the MacRories--Camber's mother was a
>Drummond, IIRC. She didn't know/remember that she was Deryni until Rhysel
>as Liesel had Tieg sneak in and unblock them fairly early in TBP.
All correct. The only thing I would add, and it is personal belief, is that I
don't think there is a big difference between Deryni "strengths" (with the
exception of special abilities such as healing.) Personally, I think it really
boils down to training.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:50 pm
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On 30 Nov 2004 01:08:20 GMT, crafruso RemoveThis @aol.com (Crafruso) wrote:
>>From: "DesertRose" desertrose5624 RemoveThis @yahoo.com
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>>IIRC, Megan de Cameron was NOT Deryni. I believe Camber chose a human
>>queen candidate on purpose, because he wanted to restore the Haldane line
>>without looking like they were trying to keep a Deryni hand on the
>>throne.
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>>Michaela Drummond was, although not of a very powerful line; furthermore,
>>her powers were blocked in childhood (during CTH) so she seemed to the
>>regents not to be Deryni, which was why she was even allowed to be with
>>Rhys Michael, despite her connection to the MacRories. Her mother, Elinor
>>Howell, was Cathan's widow and Davin and Ansel's mother before she married
>>James Drummond, himself a cousin to the MacRories--Camber's mother was a
>>Drummond, IIRC. She didn't know/remember that she was Deryni until Rhysel
>>as Liesel had Tieg sneak in and unblock them fairly early in TBP.
>
>All correct. The only thing I would add, and it is personal belief, is that I
>don't think there is a big difference between Deryni "strengths" (with the
>exception of special abilities such as healing.) Personally, I think it really
>boils down to training.
>
I'd add only one more item to the mix - will. As you sort of pointed
out, all the will in the world isn't going to make you a healer, but
will enables you to DO things(tm) with the deryniness you do have.
But, yeah, ya gots it or ya doesn't...<G>
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Wes Struebing
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and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples,
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:40 pm
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Well, if Codex is canon again, then Cinhil's great-grandmother was a
Torenthi princess (and presumably Deyrni). Also I think Malcolm's
mother was Deryni.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:40 am
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Well, I'm one of those poor deprived souls who never got her hands on a
copy of the "Codex Derynianus".  I was going on what I remembered
from "Camber of Culdi", and, admittedly, it's been a while since I read
it, as most of my book collection is in boxes in my parents' garage. 
Wish I could wrap my grubby little paws around a copy of the "Codex",
canonical or not. 
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:01 pm
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You and me both! How about we start a club for all those Codexless Deryni
fans, and if we can get 500 members, campaign for a reprint!
Well you can always hope
Steve
"DesertRose" <desertrose5624 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I'm one of those poor deprived souls who never got her hands on a
> copy of the "Codex Derynianus". I was going on what I remembered
> from "Camber of Culdi", and, admittedly, it's been a while since I read
> it, as most of my book collection is in boxes in my parents' garage.
>
> Wish I could wrap my grubby little paws around a copy of the "Codex",
> canonical or not.
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> --DR
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:40 am
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Quoth crafruso.RemoveThis@aol.com (Crafruso):
> The only thing I would add, and it is personal belief, is that I
>don't think there is a big difference between Deryni "strengths" (with the
>exception of special abilities such as healing.) Personally, I think it really
>boils down to training.
Okay, I once again curse the evil Real Life monster and its keeping me
from finishing up my theory of Deryni inheritance! What else am I
going to use all this schoolin' for?
Personally I envision a master on/off switch that (so far in my
calculations) works exactly the way it's described in the High Deryni
appendix. The master switch then controls a whole collection of genes
and it's that collection which determines strength or particular
skills. Things can also, however, indeed be turned on / strengthened
by training. (Nature + nurture. voila!)
Did y'all miss my molecular biology ramblings? *grin* You don't have
to lie to make me feel better, because until I actually finish the
darn theory... hmmm, maybe for the next Archives. *ponders*
Kristy
"There are many Antilles, but there is only one Wedge."
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:16 am
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> Did y'all miss my molecular biology ramblings? *grin* You don't have
> to lie to make me feel better, because until I actually finish the
> darn theory... hmmm, maybe for the next Archives. *ponders*
Call me crazy (most people do!  ), but I, for one, actually have missed
your ramblings!
-Mak
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:40 pm
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Quoth "Mary Alice Kropp" <journeyldy RemoveThis @hotmail.com>:
>> Did y'all miss my molecular biology ramblings? *grin* You don't have
>> to lie to make me feel better, because until I actually finish the
>> darn theory... hmmm, maybe for the next Archives. *ponders*
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>Call me crazy (most people do! ), but I, for one, actually have missed
>your ramblings!
Aww, you're a sweetie. And of *course* you're crazy--otherwise, you'd
be boring!
Kristy
"As for whether either of us is Deryni--that is the business
of my king, my archbishop, and my God. If any man in
this hall has quarrel with that, I suggest he take it up
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