Gifted Education

Mummy Az wrote:
> As you might remember, my Ishtar sat the tests in February to try
for
> a place in the Gifted classes at her school from next year. We've
> finally got the results!
>
> They have 2 streams of Gifted Education.
>
> Ignite classes (which Athena is in) do accelerated education, Years
8
> and 9 in one year which means that Athena will finish school just
> before her 17th birthday.
>
> Co-Ignite classes do extended education rather than accelerated
> education. Co-Ignite students do years 8 and 9 in separate years
but
> are offered more in-depth studies and additional lessons where
> appropriate to keep them intellectually stimulated. Ishtar has been
> offered a place in this stream for next year! This means she will
> Graduate aged 17 years 9 months.
>
> We are *so* happy for her. She will get the intellectual
stimulation
> she needs in this class, but she will not be accelerated beyond her
> emotional maturity (she is not nearly as emotionally mature as
Athena
> is). Some of her friends are in Ignite for next year and as Ignite
> and Co-Ignite do some classes together (Core studies such as
> Mathematics and English are kept separate, but additional studies
such
> as Technology, Art, PE, Home Economics, etc are joined between the
two
> classes) she will spend some of her class time with her friends.
>
> This is the best possible outcome for her, as far as we are
concerned!
> Mummy Az the terminally proud.

You must be so proud of your Goddesses. Congratulations!

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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
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> Ree wrote:
>
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:


<mega-snip>

>>> I suppose, as human beings, we just have to get used to
>>> never knowing a whole lot of things.
>>>
>>> We'll never know what our cats truly think of us.
>>
>> Oh I know what Buster thinks of me. He thinks I'm the
>> sucker that'll put out food when the other sucker isn't
>> available.
>
> Good sucker? Silly sucker? Stupid sucker? Nice sucker?
>
> Do my dogs like being near me, or are am I just a big paw-warmer?

:::But warm paws are very much appreciated by four-foots! So are warm
tummies, and warm backs, and especially warm noses... and so are nice,
friendly cushions you can snuggle up against. {Happy Kitty Smile}:::


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"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
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<mega-snip>

> >> Do my dogs like being near me, or are am I just a big
> >> paw-warmer?
>
> > Oh dogs love us like crazy. Totally unwarranted, to
> > balance the guilt.
>
> Mildly warranted, perhaps. They tend to love people who feed and walk
> them a biiiiit more than they love people who ignore them. ;>

:::{blink} Of course we four-foots do. We aren't stupid!:::

> (Do I look like a pillow? Do I have "Pillow" written on me in Dog?)

:::I don't know, but if you sit down and make a nice nap, I can check it
out for you. {hopeful kitty smile}:::

:::Valentine (cat):::

> Megan
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Ree wrote:

> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Ree wrote:
<snip - family relations>
>> It also kinda helped me to have younger siblings. My
>> youngest sib, I believe, had much more trouble convincing
>> the parents to stop treating sib like a child. First
>> child... well, they could let go of me because there were
>> still kids around to treat like kids.
>
> Yeah, I suppose that would make a big difference. There were only the 2
> of us and I was indeed the youngest (the baby) by 8 years.

And a big age gap would make you even more of 'the baby'
than a smaller gap might have done.

>> And my college roommates helped a lot, teaching me how to
>> live in a civilized fashion with not-family. (Not
>> biological family, anyway. Created-yourself family.)
>
> Well, when I was 14, I got into a foster home and that helped a lot so I
> learned many of those things then, though you never stop learning.

Well, you can stop learning how to live with other people if
you're living alone. I probably have un-learned many of the
virtuous patterns I picked up when I had roomates all the
time, since I now live alone.

>> <snip>
>> Harder to escape the urges to behave badly if you're living with
>> someone who provides a daily example of bad behaviour, though. I
>> don't know if I'd have been able to make progress, under the influence
>> of a person like that.
>
> Especially when that person is the one who is supposed to be the one
> teaching you how to behave. My mother behaves like a 5 year old so,
> unfortunately, I had some bad examples growing up.

A parent, in particular, might be able to be a particularly
bad example, because the bad things they might demonstrate
are likely to be exactly the bad things you are inclined to
do anyway. Shared genes means we inherit the bad tendencies
along with the good from our parents.

<snip - teenagers and mothers>
>> Hmmm. Remembering some of the things I called my mother. Hmmm. Big
>> gift this mother's day, I think. (Fortunately for my fragile teenage
>> ego, Mom didn't bring up the topic in front of strangers. I imagine
>> she probably discussed it over wine with friends of hers who were also
>> parents, but not when I was around.)
>
> Oh this was when I was an adult that she did this. During the
> growing-up time, what she did was get on the phone and tell neighbours
> all about everything in a rather exaggerated way, claiming I said stuff
> that was not actually what I had said but a ... ... much more... ...
> nasty way.

I think I know the kind of story-telling you're talking
about. Innuendo, used to gather sympathy. Something
everyone does, to some extent, but taken a little further
than most people go.

<snip>
>> > Oh dogs love us like crazy. Totally unwarranted, to
>> > balance the guilt.
>>
>> Mildly warranted, perhaps. They tend to love people who feed and walk
>> them a biiiiit more than they love people who ignore them. ;>
>>
>> (Do I look like a pillow? Do I have "Pillow" written on me in Dog?)
>
> Well....yes?

Really? Well, that explains a lot...

Now someone explain why a dog comes inside, curls up next to
you, looks cute... then farts.

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m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
> Ree wrote:
>
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Ree wrote:
> <snip - family relations>
>>> It also kinda helped me to have younger siblings. My
>>> youngest sib, I believe, had much more trouble convincing
>>> the parents to stop treating sib like a child. First
>>> child... well, they could let go of me because there were
>>> still kids around to treat like kids.
>>
>> Yeah, I suppose that would make a big difference. There were only the
>> 2 of us and I was indeed the youngest (the baby) by 8 years.
>
> And a big age gap would make you even more of 'the baby' than a smaller
> gap might have done.

Oh likely. And the fact that we were out in the middle of nowhere
wouldn't help because there is a huge lack of the usual bustle when one
person leaves if there is not a whole lot of other traffic and
happenings to lose it in.

>
>>> And my college roommates helped a lot, teaching me how to
>>> live in a civilized fashion with not-family. (Not
>>> biological family, anyway. Created-yourself family.)
>>
>> Well, when I was 14, I got into a foster home and that helped a lot so
>> I learned many of those things then, though you never stop learning.
>
> Well, you can stop learning how to live with other people if you're
> living alone. I probably have un-learned many of the virtuous patterns
> I picked up when I had roomates all the time, since I now live alone.

Well I currently live with my sig. oth. and a renter/roommate so some
mutual courtesy is required but it's not hard because we all cooperate
in it. It really helps too when you all really like each other a lot.

>
>>> <snip>
>>> Harder to escape the urges to behave badly if you're living with
>>> someone who provides a daily example of bad behaviour, though. I
>>> don't know if I'd have been able to make progress, under the
>>> influence of a person like that.
>>
>> Especially when that person is the one who is supposed to be the one
>> teaching you how to behave. My mother behaves like a 5 year old so,
>> unfortunately, I had some bad examples growing up.
>
> A parent, in particular, might be able to be a particularly bad example,
> because the bad things they might demonstrate are likely to be exactly
> the bad things you are inclined to do anyway. Shared genes means we
> inherit the bad tendencies along with the good from our parents.

True, but some things should be taught to children when they are
children and how to get along and play nice with others is right up
there at the top of the list. And some very few (I hope!) people just
have never learned those things themselves and so, never even notice
that they aren't providing all the parenting they should. My own mother
is a case in point unfortunately and so, learning not to throw temper
tantrums over things took my sister and I both longer to learn and we
had to work a lot of things out on our own, seperately. (Seperately was
partly due to age)

My dad was a much better influence and his disapproval over some
behaviours (presented as head shaking shame toward you) was a lot more
effective deterrent than than anything Mama did. Mainly because his
opinion of one was of more value and normally much harder to lose
whereas Mama's......like a fart in a windstorm. No predicting...ever.
>
> <snip - teenagers and mothers>
>>> Hmmm. Remembering some of the things I called my mother. Hmmm. Big
>>> gift this mother's day, I think. (Fortunately for my fragile teenage
>>> ego, Mom didn't bring up the topic in front of strangers. I imagine
>>> she probably discussed it over wine with friends of hers who were
>>> also parents, but not when I was around.)
>>
>> Oh this was when I was an adult that she did this. During the
>> growing-up time, what she did was get on the phone and tell neighbours
>> all about everything in a rather exaggerated way, claiming I said
>> stuff that was not actually what I had said but a ... ... much more...
>> ... nasty way.
>
> I think I know the kind of story-telling you're talking about.
> Innuendo, used to gather sympathy. Something everyone does, to some
> extent, but taken a little further than most people go.
>
Up to the point of pure fabrication I'm afraid in this case. Which
drove me nuts of course so I would yell at her to correct her about what
I had said to her, which never worked and didn't help whatever
impression was being given anyway I'm sure......LOLOLOL. God! And to
think there are people who would actually LIKE to return to childhood!
Amazing! ROFL!

> <snip>
>>> > Oh dogs love us like crazy. Totally unwarranted, to
>>> > balance the guilt.
>>>
>>> Mildly warranted, perhaps. They tend to love people who feed and
>>> walk them a biiiiit more than they love people who ignore them. ;>
>>>
>>> (Do I look like a pillow? Do I have "Pillow" written on me in Dog?)
>>
>> Well....yes?
>
> Really? Well, that explains a lot...
>
> Now someone explain why a dog comes inside, curls up next to you, looks
> cute... then farts.
>

...... because they can?
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Ree wrote:
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Ree wrote:
>>
>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> <snip - family relations>
>>> Yeah, I suppose that would make a big difference.
>>> There were only the 2 of us and I was indeed the
>>> youngest (the baby) by 8 years.
>>
>> And a big age gap would make you even more of 'the
>> baby' than a smaller gap might have done.
>
> Oh likely. And the fact that we were out in the middle
> of nowhere wouldn't help because there is a huge lack of
> the usual bustle when one person leaves if there is not a
> whole lot of other traffic and happenings to lose it in.

I think a family would have to be *insanely* bustling to not
notice the permanent departure of one of the children in the
family!

But, yes. Most parents have jobs and hobbies and whatnot to
distract them, a little, when one kid departs for...
college, job, what have you.

<snip - living with people>
>> Well, you can stop learning how to live with other
>> people if you're living alone. I probably have
>> un-learned many of the virtuous patterns I picked up
>> when I had roomates all the time, since I now live
>> alone.
>
> Well I currently live with my sig. oth. and a
> renter/roommate so some mutual courtesy is required but
> it's not hard because we all cooperate in it. It really
> helps too when you all really like each other a lot.

"Mutual" is the key word. Much easier to be courteous to
housemates when they are being courteous right back!

Being always polite to the Roomate From Hell... that takes
more strength of character than I have. (I lived with the
Roomate From Hell for a year. And her reinforcing
Roomatette from Hell. Not a year I care to repeat!)

<snip>
>>> Especially when that person is the one who is
>>> supposed to be the one teaching you how to behave.
>>> My mother behaves like a 5 year old so,
>>> unfortunately, I had some bad examples growing up.
>>
>> A parent, in particular, might be able to be a
>> particularly bad example, because the bad things they
>> might demonstrate are likely to be exactly the bad
>> things you are inclined to do anyway. Shared genes
>> means we inherit the bad tendencies along with the good
>> from our parents.
>
> True, but some things should be taught to children when
> they are children and how to get along and play nice with
> others is right up there at the top of the list. And
> some very few (I hope!) people just have never learned
> those things themselves and so, never even notice that
> they aren't providing all the parenting they should. My
> own mother is a case in point unfortunately and so,
> learning not to throw temper tantrums over things took my
> sister and I both longer to learn and we had to work a
> lot of things out on our own, seperately. (Seperately
> was partly due to age)

Heh. You remind me of visits to my friend's houses, when
their very small kids are around. Half the words out of one
friend's mouth were along the lines of "gentle", "be
gentle", "that's not nice", or "one moment, you have to wait
your turn". (Triplets. There is a lot of waiting for your
turn, when you're a triplet.)

Learning not to through temper tantrums is definitely a
learning process. I don't know of any human who just
naturally controls their temper to avoid irritating other
people... Especially not teenage humans.

> My dad was a much better influence and his disapproval
> over some behaviours (presented as head shaking shame
> toward you) was a lot more effective deterrent than than
> anything Mama did. Mainly because his opinion of one was
> of more value and normally much harder to lose whereas
> Mama's......like a fart in a windstorm. No
> predicting...ever.

Having a mature adult around whose good opinion is worth
earning is pricelesss, for a kid who is trying to learn how
to *become* a mature adult whose good opinion is worth earning.

That got a trifle convoluted. Did that make sense?

>> <snip - teenagers and mothers>
>> I think I know the kind of story-telling you're talking
>> about. Innuendo, used to gather sympathy. Something
>> everyone does, to some extent, but taken a little
>> further than most people go.
>
> Up to the point of pure fabrication I'm afraid in this
> case. Which drove me nuts of course so I would yell at
> her to correct her about what I had said to her, which
> never worked and didn't help whatever impression was
> being given anyway I'm sure......LOLOLOL. God! And to
> think there are people who would actually LIKE to return
> to childhood! Amazing! ROFL!

Well, teenagers and pre-teens always yell at adults when
they think the adults are wrong. (Hence the need for
mother's day. And father's day.) Now, with a nice, steady,
responsible adult, the teenager is usually incorrect to be
yelling. But... teens and pre-teens yell. Haven't yet
learned that yelling isn't the most effective way to get
attention.

Hmmm. Yelling isn't the most effective way to get
thoughtful attention and careful consideration. If all you
want is to tell people to run away from the fire, yelling is
fine.

>> <snip>
>>>> (Do I look like a pillow? Do I have "Pillow"
>>>> written on me in Dog?)
>>>
>>> Well....yes?
>>
>> Really? Well, that explains a lot...
>>
>> Now someone explain why a dog comes inside, curls up
>> next to you, looks cute... then farts.
>
> ..... because they can?

They could make nasty smells outside, _before_ coming
inside, too. If they wanted to. Right?

Dog is giving me the "who, me?" look.

--
Megan
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Keeper o' the FAQ: http://home.earthlink.net/~m_thomas3/abml/
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m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
> Ree wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Ree wrote:
>>>
>>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>> <snip - family relations>
>>>> Yeah, I suppose that would make a big difference.
>>>> There were only the 2 of us and I was indeed the
>>>> youngest (the baby) by 8 years.
>>>
>>> And a big age gap would make you even more of 'the
>>> baby' than a smaller gap might have done.
>>
>> Oh likely. And the fact that we were out in the middle
>> of nowhere wouldn't help because there is a huge lack of
>> the usual bustle when one person leaves if there is not a
>> whole lot of other traffic and happenings to lose it in.
>
> I think a family would have to be *insanely* bustling to not notice the
> permanent departure of one of the children in the family!
>
> But, yes. Most parents have jobs and hobbies and whatnot to distract
> them, a little, when one kid departs for... college, job, what have you.
>
> <snip - living with people>
>>> Well, you can stop learning how to live with other
>>> people if you're living alone. I probably have
>>> un-learned many of the virtuous patterns I picked up
>>> when I had roomates all the time, since I now live
>>> alone.
>>
>> Well I currently live with my sig. oth. and a
>> renter/roommate so some mutual courtesy is required but
>> it's not hard because we all cooperate in it. It really
>> helps too when you all really like each other a lot.
>
> "Mutual" is the key word. Much easier to be courteous to housemates
> when they are being courteous right back!
>
> Being always polite to the Roomate From Hell... that takes more strength
> of character than I have. (I lived with the Roomate From Hell for a
> year. And her reinforcing Roomatette from Hell. Not a year I care to
> repeat!)

Oh yeah! Living with someone who doesn't think they have to be
respectful and thoughtful is not fun!

>
> <snip>
>>>> Especially when that person is the one who is
>>>> supposed to be the one teaching you how to behave.
>>>> My mother behaves like a 5 year old so, unfortunately, I had some
>>>> bad examples growing up.
>>>
>>> A parent, in particular, might be able to be a
>>> particularly bad example, because the bad things they
>>> might demonstrate are likely to be exactly the bad
>>> things you are inclined to do anyway. Shared genes means we inherit
>>> the bad tendencies along with the good
>>> from our parents.
>>
>> True, but some things should be taught to children when
>> they are children and how to get along and play nice with
>> others is right up there at the top of the list. And
>> some very few (I hope!) people just have never learned
>> those things themselves and so, never even notice that
>> they aren't providing all the parenting they should. My
>> own mother is a case in point unfortunately and so,
>> learning not to throw temper tantrums over things took my
>> sister and I both longer to learn and we had to work a
>> lot of things out on our own, seperately. (Seperately
>> was partly due to age)
>
> Heh. You remind me of visits to my friend's houses, when their very
> small kids are around. Half the words out of one friend's mouth were
> along the lines of "gentle", "be gentle", "that's not nice", or "one
> moment, you have to wait your turn". (Triplets. There is a lot of
> waiting for your turn, when you're a triplet.)

Wow I'll bet that couple were exhausted at the end of a day! And very
difficult to always have to wait for the other two for everything!

>
> Learning not to through temper tantrums is definitely a learning
> process. I don't know of any human who just naturally controls their
> temper to avoid irritating other people... Especially not teenage humans.

Got that right!

>
>> My dad was a much better influence and his disapproval
>> over some behaviours (presented as head shaking shame
>> toward you) was a lot more effective deterrent than than
>> anything Mama did. Mainly because his opinion of one was
>> of more value and normally much harder to lose whereas
>> Mama's......like a fart in a windstorm. No
>> predicting...ever.
>
> Having a mature adult around whose good opinion is worth earning is
> pricelesss, for a kid who is trying to learn how to *become* a mature
> adult whose good opinion is worth earning.
>
> That got a trifle convoluted. Did that make sense?

Probably not but I got it anyway! LOL.

>
>>> <snip - teenagers and mothers>
>>> I think I know the kind of story-telling you're talking
>>> about. Innuendo, used to gather sympathy. Something
>>> everyone does, to some extent, but taken a little
>>> further than most people go.
>>
>> Up to the point of pure fabrication I'm afraid in this
>> case. Which drove me nuts of course so I would yell at
>> her to correct her about what I had said to her, which
>> never worked and didn't help whatever impression was
>> being given anyway I'm sure......LOLOLOL. God! And to think there
>> are people who would actually LIKE to return
>> to childhood! Amazing! ROFL!
>
> Well, teenagers and pre-teens always yell at adults when they think the
> adults are wrong. (Hence the need for mother's day. And father's
> day.) Now, with a nice, steady, responsible adult, the teenager is
> usually incorrect to be yelling. But... teens and pre-teens yell.
> Haven't yet learned that yelling isn't the most effective way to get
> attention.
>
> Hmmm. Yelling isn't the most effective way to get thoughtful attention
> and careful consideration. If all you want is to tell people to run
> away from the fire, yelling is fine.
>
>>> <snip>
>>>>> (Do I look like a pillow? Do I have "Pillow"
>>>>> written on me in Dog?)
>>>>
>>>> Well....yes?
>>>
>>> Really? Well, that explains a lot...
>>>
>>> Now someone explain why a dog comes inside, curls up
>>> next to you, looks cute... then farts.
>>
>> ..... because they can?
>
> They could make nasty smells outside, _before_ coming inside, too. If
> they wanted to. Right?

But.....why? And don't you know that "my" farts smell good? It's only
"you others" farts that are stinkie.

>
> Dog is giving me the "who, me?" look.

But of course.
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On Apr 15, 9:56 pm, Mummy Az <ma... DeleteThis @westnet.com.au> wrote:
> As you might remember, my Ishtar sat the tests in February to try for
> a place in the Gifted classes at her school from next year.  We've
> finally got the results!
>
> They have 2 streams of Gifted Education.  
>
> Ignite classes (which Athena is in) do accelerated education, Years 8
> and 9 in one year which means that Athena will finish school just
> before her 17th birthday.
>
> Co-Ignite classes do extended education rather than accelerated
> education.  Co-Ignite students do years 8 and 9 in separate years but
> are offered more in-depth studies and additional lessons where
> appropriate to keep them intellectually stimulated.  Ishtar has been
> offered a place in this stream for next year!  This means she will
> Graduate aged 17 years 9 months.
>
> We are *so* happy for her.  She will get the intellectual stimulation
> she needs in this class, but she will not be accelerated beyond her
> emotional maturity (she is not nearly as emotionally mature as Athena
> is).  Some of her friends are in Ignite for next year and as Ignite
> and Co-Ignite do some classes together (Core studies such as
> Mathematics and English are kept separate, but additional studies such
> as Technology, Art, PE, Home Economics, etc are joined between the two
> classes) she will spend some of her class time with her friends.  
>
> This is the best possible outcome for her, as far as we are concerned!
> Mummy Az the terminally proud.

Awesome! Wish my HS had had options like that. We were the only HS
students not allowed to take classes at the community college, in the
region.
~'Phyre
AIM:Hellphyre87
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