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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 12:27 pm
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On 7 Nov 2004 04:11:06 -0800, kuyper.TakeThisOut@wizard.net (James Kuyper) wrote:

>Darren J Longhorn <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<eg8po0dupojqimkecn5kp9taesacg8tceh.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
>> On 5 Nov 2004 19:11:11 -0800, kuyper.TakeThisOut@wizard.net (James Kuyper) wrote:
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>>>> Darren J Longhorn <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<4nfio09pp4n869hkb79poupe3qoudtqpn4.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
>>>
>>>> Oh. I'd forgotten that. Was that "proven" though? That the Thrint were
>>>> ancestors of the Grogs?
>>>
>>> Not absolutely, but it was strongly suggested that this might be the case.
>>
>> Remind me which story that was in.
>
>
>I believe it was mentioned in the story that introduced the Grog.

Oh yeah, I just re-read it.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:41 pm
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In article <_Sxhd.3496$zx1.2550@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> T <tberk DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>Well the Dolphin has a mouth, with teeth and can manipulate things. Also
>I would thing a determined dolphin could flipper something if it had to,
>but without gripping fingers.

I was going to suggest a game of "Spot The Retard" but that's too easy
at the moment.

>An our friend the Elephant has a trunk with what amounts to fingertips
>on the end.

?oc?erto?

>Of course brain size itself doesn't seem to equal intelligence nor
>sentient awareness. (If so we could include large wales along with the
>dolphin and elephant.)

What does that suggest to you?

>Bandersnatch come to mind. One big hole in the argument is that it would
>seem if dolphins or elephants were intelligent enough they would
>organize some rebellion or insurrection or retribution against Man.
>Unless being intelligent means you don't war against others. Hmmmm.

Don't any other reasons come to mind?

>TBerk

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:41 pm
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In article <1iado01djvtek1ljnlsvjip8jk52pmt4c6.RemoveThis@4ax.com> Darren J Longhorn <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
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>On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:59:00 GMT, Tennant Stuart
><tennant.RemoveThis@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <VA.00000241.05a856a1.RemoveThis@mynameplus1.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
>>Aidan Karley <aidan.RemoveThis@mynameplus1.demon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
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>><SNIP VERY INTERESTING REPLY>
>>
>>> hands are *not* necessary for sentience, or
>>> intelligence, or the evolution of tool use
>>
>>But is not *some* means of manipulating the environment required?
>
>Grogs seem to manage that without hands Smile

Life without a friend is death without a witness.

>>To make this on-topic, what about sentient/intelligent elephants?
>
>What about dolphins?

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