After "Ice and Fire"

And thusly dids't "Oyvind Bjugan" <objugan DeleteThis @broadpark.no> speak, to
which I responded as so...

>
>> + fantasy world (magic is important or not/"Ice of Fire" lacked the
>> magic)
>
>Feists books are very magic and fantasy heavy at times(considering the main
>character is Pug, The Magician), but also very often the warriors and nobles
>drive the story. Sometimes a book can be deprived of fantasy as part of the
>main story, but it still lingers in the background.
>
>If you like the grim and gritty world of "Ice And Fire", where no character
>is spared, I can recommend Magician and all the rest of the books in the
>series.
>
>Oyvind

I would have said Martin's work had a rather different feel to it than
Feists. I would still say read Magician and all, but don't expect it
to be all that similar.
Now, if you want a series with a similar feel to that of Ice and Fire,
you could look up J.V.Jones and her "Sword of Shaddow" series. Of
course, there's only two books in it so far that I know, though I
would expect the 3rd to not be that far away.

Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
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"~misfit~" <misfit61nz DeleteThis @yahooo.co.nz> skrev i melding
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> Øyvind Bjugan wrote:
>> <aodovlecel DeleteThis @gmail.com> skrev i melding
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>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> Let me start by saying that I don't want to start a debate/war about
>>> the best Fantasy writer/series... I have finished the latest "Ice and
>>> Fire" book and now I am looking for an interesting fantasy novel
>>> (considering the fact that I have to wait for another couple of years
>>> 'till GRRMartin finishes his saga). I found a lot of encouraging
>>> information about Magician and Feist.
>>>
>>> Now that you know what is my background (I *really* like "Ice and
>>> Fire"), do you think a good move would be starting to read the
>>> Magician and Riftwar books? What do you think are the major
>>> differences between RFeist and GRRMartin:
>>> + characters
>>
>> The characters in Feists books are equally excellent and fleshed out
>> like the characters in Martins books.
>>
>>> + plot/action/twists
>>
>> There is more action and less intrigue in Feists books, but there are
>> tons of plot twists and the material is treated seriously. It
>> actually changes alot from book to book. Books like "A Darkness At
>> Sethanon" are very action heavy, while books like "Rise Of A Merchant
>> Prince" have very little action at all.
>>
>>> + fantasy world (magic is important or not/"Ice of Fire" lacked the
>>> magic)
>>
>> Feists books are very magic and fantasy heavy at times(considering
>> the main character is Pug, The Magician), but also very often the
>> warriors and nobles drive the story. Sometimes a book can be
>> deprived of fantasy as part of the main story, but it still lingers
>> in the background.
>> If you like the grim and gritty world of "Ice And Fire", where no
>> character is spared, I can recommend Magician and all the rest of the
>> books in the series.
>
> Hey Øyvind,
>
> Hmmm, this "Ice and Fire" series sounds good. However, I have a
> self-imposed rule not to start reading a series that hasn't finished being
> written. I've had to leave too many characters "up in the air" so to
> speak. This is made worse by the fact that I read a lot and, if there is a
> big gap between releases, I often have semi-forgotten details from the
> last book.

I myself only started reading Ice And Fire a month ago. Only read the first
couple of books yet, but I'm hooked. They are, for lack of a better word,
intense.
The intrigue between the noble houses of that world will blow you away as
will the fates of the various characters presented. The characters are very
well described and you will instantly be caught up in their lives. The first
book actually pissed me of when I read it as I hated what was done to the
protagonists by the antagonists.
I believe there are about 4 books out so far in that series.

Øyvind
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And thusly dids't "~misfit~" <misfit61nz RemoveThis @yahooo.co.nz> speak, to which
I responded as so...

>Oyvind Bjugan wrote:
>> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz RemoveThis @yahooo.co.nz> skrev i melding
>> news:44307768$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>> Hey Oyvind,
>>>
>>> Hmmm, this "Ice and Fire" series sounds good. However, I have a
>>> self-imposed rule not to start reading a series that hasn't finished
>>> being written. I've had to leave too many characters "up in the air"
>>> so to speak. This is made worse by the fact that I read a lot and,
>>> if there is a big gap between releases, I often have semi-forgotten
>>> details from the last book.
>>
>> I myself only started reading Ice And Fire a month ago. Only read the
>> first couple of books yet, but I'm hooked. They are, for lack of a
>> better word, intense.
>> The intrigue between the noble houses of that world will blow you
>> away as will the fates of the various characters presented. The
>> characters are very well described and you will instantly be caught
>> up in their lives. The first book actually pissed me of when I read
>> it as I hated what was done to the protagonists by the antagonists.
>> I believe there are about 4 books out so far in that series.
>
>Cool, thanks for the synopsis. Enough to pique my interest without giving
>much away. Well done. <g>

Well, to give you a bit of an idea about the series, there were three
books, then the third book started getting sold as two separate books,
and while there is a *fourth* book out, it's sort of only half the
fourth book, as due to size and time, it was decided to release a book
now that covered half of the characters, and release another book a
little bit latter that covered the other half of the characters over
the same time. I haven't read it yet, as the series really is very
intense. They're not light reading. At a guess, it could be
described as set in the dark ages as they really were, without much at
all of the romanticism you might get in the whole white knight and
damsel in distress story.
But there is evidence of magic, though it's not brought out and waved
about really.

Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
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~misfit~ schrieb:

[snip George RR Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series]
>
> Ok, cool. Thanks Ash, I appreciate your input. The battle.net servers are
> annoying me so much with the lag that I'm getting back into reading a bit
> more than I have been for a while.
>

I haven't read the latest book (that was released in late 2005, IIRC),
but I'll certainly read upcoming ASoIaF installments. Yet, I'm going to
wait until a bit more content has been accumulated by Martin, so to
speak. I'll probably even wait until the series has been finished before
I'm going to read the rest, because the previous book, "A Storm of
Swords", had been released more than five years ago, in Y2K. So if you
begin to read Martin's series, you probably have to prepare to wait for
quite a long time until it's finished.

My personal #1 recommendation would be Steven Erikson, though. His
"Malazan Book of the Fallen" series is very original and fascinating.

From the top of my head the books that have been released so far:

1. Gardens of the Moon
2. Deadhouse Gates
3. Memories of Ice
4. House of Chains
5. Midnight Tides
6. (Newly released) The Bonehunters

Erikson had previously written one book each year. For the latest one he
needed two years, though.

Heartily recommended reading for every fantasy fan, IMHO.

Chris
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And thusly dids't "~misfit~" <misfit61nz.RemoveThis@yahooo.co.nz> speak, to which
I responded as so...

>Christian Klassen wrote:
>> ~misfit~ schrieb:
>>
>> [snip George RR Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series]
>>>
>>> Ok, cool. Thanks Ash, I appreciate your input. The battle.net
>>> servers are annoying me so much with the lag that I'm getting back
>>> into reading a bit more than I have been for a while.
>>>
>>
>> I haven't read the latest book (that was released in late 2005, IIRC),
>> but I'll certainly read upcoming ASoIaF installments. Yet, I'm going
>> to wait until a bit more content has been accumulated by Martin, so to
>> speak. I'll probably even wait until the series has been finished
>> before I'm going to read the rest, because the previous book, "A
>> Storm of Swords", had been released more than five years ago, in Y2K.
>> So if you begin to read Martin's series, you probably have to prepare
>> to wait for quite a long time until it's finished.
>>
>> My personal #1 recommendation would be Steven Erikson, though. His
>> "Malazan Book of the Fallen" series is very original and fascinating.
>>
>> From the top of my head the books that have been released so far:
>>
>> 1. Gardens of the Moon
>> 2. Deadhouse Gates
>> 3. Memories of Ice
>> 4. House of Chains
>> 5. Midnight Tides
>> 6. (Newly released) The Bonehunters
>>
>> Erikson had previously written one book each year. For the latest one
>> he needed two years, though.
>>
>> Heartily recommended reading for every fantasy fan, IMHO.
>
>Thanks Chris, I've made a note (cut'n'pasted, <g>) in my "Books to Read"
>document. I appreciate your input. As I said, I don't usually read
>unfinished series but, alas, that seems to be the trend these days. Authors
>just keep churning them out (not meant in a bad way) as long as they're
>selling. I guess it makes sense from a financial point of view. However, I
>wish more of them would do what Ray does, release seperate yet linked
>series. That way at least you can feel some sense of closure after reading
>the 'final' book in a (sub-)series, without too many loose ends still
>hanging until the author gets around to writing the next one.
>
>Cheers,

As long as we're talking about other authors and unfinished series, If
you hadn't heard already, The Wheel Of Time could be in some danger.
<http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.html>


Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
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In article <44355901.903359 DeleteThis @news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Ashen Shugar
<deathsabyss DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
> As long as we're talking about other authors and unfinished series, If
> you hadn't heard already, The Wheel Of Time could be in some danger.
> <http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.html>


I didn't realize Jim had gone public about this. I've known him for
over twenty years and wish him a full recovery.

Best, R.E.F.
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In article <443463ce$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz>, ~misfit~
<misfit61nz.DeleteThis@yahooo.co.nz> wrote:

> Raymond E. Feist wrote:
> > In article <44355901.903359.DeleteThis@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Ashen Shugar
> > <deathsabyss.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> As long as we're talking about other authors and unfinished series,
> >> If you hadn't heard already, The Wheel Of Time could be in some
> >> danger. <http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.html>
>
> Thanks for the info Ash, you sure do know your books/Aucthors.
>
> > I didn't realize Jim had gone public about this. I've known him for
> > over twenty years and wish him a full recovery.
>
> I don't know him personally but would like to add my wish for a full
> recovery. It would seem that he has the right attitude and that is half the
> battle.

The last time I got a chance to chat with Jim and Harriet, was only for
about 10 minutes at the San Diego Comic Con year before last; he'd lost
a hell of a lot of weight and looked the best I'd seen him since we met
back in '84. I was shocked when he let those of us in the field know
about his problem, some months back, and now he's let his fans know.
I'm also doing business with some of the same people Jim is and I know
there's some concerns about how this all is going to impact his work.
Knowing Jim, his attitude is as positive as you can get. We've never
been what you'd call close friends, but rather friendly acquaintances,
but I've always liked the guy and wish him only the best.

Best, R.E.F.
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