Kerouac and spontanous prose

External Since: Apr 22, 2004 Posts: 10

in article 1113017899.132791.96460.RemoveThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, Will
Dockery at shamankickboxer.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote on 4/8/05 11:38 PM:

>
> Stuart Leichter wrote:
  >> Will
  >> Dockery wrote on 4/8/05 10:27 PM:
   >>> Gerda Ann wrote:
   >>> dunkers.RemoveThis@pacbell.net wrote: I hope that
   >>> it isn't heresy to hear echoes of Kerouac prosody in the work of
> Eminem.
   >>>
   >>>>> I haven't seen or heard any Eminem since 2002 or so, when I used
> my
   >>>>> television screen for target practice with a pistol I'd recently
> bought...
   >>>>> how do they relate?
   >>>>>
   >>>> The post is a *haiku* you ignorant fuck.
   >>>>
   >>> If it was a Haiku, he would have said so, you silly bitch.
   >>>
   >>>> You think you're a poet and you don't even recognize the most
> common forms
   >>>> when you see them. Read some books. Take a course. Do SOMETHING
> besides jerk
   >>>> off. If you learn what poetry is you might actually be able to
> write
   >>>> something with an ounce of merit.
   >>>>
   >>>> From your foul unlady-like tone, it appears you know *plenty*
> about this
   >>>> Eminem guy.
   >>>>
   >>>> Silly twit.
   >>>>
   >>> Ah, shaddup, you goofy troll.
  >>
  >> Before you made use of Usenet, Will, I posted a "found haiku" (I
> think I
  >> called it that).
  >>
  >> A kind reader (a regular, as they're sometimes called) advised me
> that my
  >> p.o.s. was not haiku, but senryu (she was being generous and kind).
> She
  >> provided a link to a wonderful resource for haiku, senryu, and other
  >> Japanese forms.
  >>
  >> Do they use the term 'coonass' in your neck of the skyscrapers?
>
> Not for a while--- I encountered the term in more portside lands, the
> bayou, as a reference to a certain breed of Cajun. I haven't heard it
> come up in my circles in some time, most likely in Woodstock Eddy's
> group.

Thanks. I'm sure the word is glossed somewhere on the Internet. Apparently,
from what you report, it's still part of the regional dialect and still a
vulgarism. I've never heard it used. It's remarkable that it hasn't left
LA/TX, except for a few instances.

>
  >> Do you think the priestly class of knowledge owners will survive the
  >> Internet's effects?
>
> I have no idea, but since this thread is focused on Kerouac, here's his
> take on American Haiku, *from the archives*:
>
> "The American Haiku is not exactly the Japanese
> Haiku. The Japanese Haiku is strictly disciplined
> to seventeen syllables but since the language
> structure is different I don't think American
> Haikus (short three-line poems intended to be
> completely packed with Void of Whole) should worry
> about syllables because American speech is
> something again...bursting to pop.
>
> Above all, a Haiku must be very simple and free
> of all poetic trickery and make a little picture
> and yet be as airy and graceful as a Vivaldi
> Pastorella."
> Jack Kerouac
>
> Hope this helps.
>

Not a fucken bit, it sounds like I wrote it but not in those words.

External Since: Apr 09, 2005 Posts: 2

> Do you think the priestly class of knowledge owners will survive the
> Internet's effects?
>
During a time in the early '80's when I was taking classes that used a
mainframe and other classes that used Apple 2's I comptemplated on how
students could not enter the mainframe's Holy of Holies. I foresaw how the
personal computer would be Protestant Reformation for the information age.
The same has happened, now, to the information itself. It's been
democratized. "Owners" of information have to release it as soon as it is
acquired so that they can claim ownership...otherwise someone else might
release it first. A book might come later, but the internet is faster,
editable, and universal in reach.