Is Kitty Toast?

On 25 Jan 2008 21:29:04 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
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>> We just got done with a major X-Men crossover and we saw no sign of
>> Kitty Pryde. Given that Joss has said how much he loves the
>> character, it's hard for me to believe he's going to kill her in Giant
>> Size Astonishing X-Men, but geez, she'd have appeared in the crossover
>> if she were alive, right?
>
>It is a little scary, isn't it?

Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save the
books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?

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On Jan 26, 3:51 am, grinningdemon <grinningde... DeleteThis @austin.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:04:40 +1100, "Nathan P. Mahney"
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> >> >TonyJ1...@aol.com wrote in news:c2510455-aea0-43fe-80d8-
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> >> >> We just got done with a major X-Men crossover and we saw no sign of
> >> >> Kitty Pryde.  Given that Joss has said how much he loves the
> >> >> character, it's hard for me to believe he's going to kill her in Giant
> >> >> Size Astonishing X-Men, but geez, she'd have appeared in the crossover
> >> >> if she were alive, right?
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> >> >It is a little scary, isn't it?
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> >> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save the
> >> books of Destiny from the Marauders?  So does this mean the
> >> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?
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> >She was, and presumably the answer is yes.  All signs point to Kitty being
> >killed off in Astonishing - certainly one X-Person is getting the chop
> >according to the solicitations.  Personally, I'm not convinced.  There are
> >any number of reasons that Kitty would not be present for Messiah Complex..
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> >I think the X-death in Astonishing will be Lockheed.
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> It's hard to say...signs to do seem to point to Kitty dying (not that
> I believe it would last even if it happened)...and Whedon's couples
> never end well...so, one way or another, I'd say Kitty and Colossus
> will be broken up in some way...and death would be the easiest.- Hide quoted text -
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I just hope they make it an easily returnable death.
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> On 25 Jan 2008 21:29:04 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
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> >TonyJ1675@aol.com wrote in news:c2510455-aea0-43fe-80d8-
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> >> We just got done with a major X-Men crossover and we saw no sign of
> >> Kitty Pryde. Given that Joss has said how much he loves the
> >> character, it's hard for me to believe he's going to kill her in Giant
> >> Size Astonishing X-Men, but geez, she'd have appeared in the crossover
> >> if she were alive, right?
> >
> >It is a little scary, isn't it?
>
> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save the
> books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?

She was, and presumably the answer is yes. All signs point to Kitty being
killed off in Astonishing - certainly one X-Person is getting the chop
according to the solicitations. Personally, I'm not convinced. There are
any number of reasons that Kitty would not be present for Messiah Complex.

I think the X-death in Astonishing will be Lockheed.

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:04:40 +1100, "Nathan P. Mahney"
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>> On 25 Jan 2008 21:29:04 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy RemoveThis @gmail.com>
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>> >TonyJ1675@aol.com wrote in news:c2510455-aea0-43fe-80d8-
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>> >> We just got done with a major X-Men crossover and we saw no sign of
>> >> Kitty Pryde. Given that Joss has said how much he loves the
>> >> character, it's hard for me to believe he's going to kill her in Giant
>> >> Size Astonishing X-Men, but geez, she'd have appeared in the crossover
>> >> if she were alive, right?
>> >
>> >It is a little scary, isn't it?
>>
>> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save the
>> books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
>> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?
>
>She was, and presumably the answer is yes. All signs point to Kitty being
>killed off in Astonishing - certainly one X-Person is getting the chop
>according to the solicitations. Personally, I'm not convinced. There are
>any number of reasons that Kitty would not be present for Messiah Complex.
>
>I think the X-death in Astonishing will be Lockheed.
>
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It's hard to say...signs to do seem to point to Kitty dying (not that
I believe it would last even if it happened)...and Whedon's couples
never end well...so, one way or another, I'd say Kitty and Colossus
will be broken up in some way...and death would be the easiest.
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:04:40 +1100, "Nathan P. Mahney"
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>"Painter" <aw.pSaTiOnPter.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> On 25 Jan 2008 21:29:04 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> >TonyJ1675@aol.com wrote in news:c2510455-aea0-43fe-80d8-
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>> >> We just got done with a major X-Men crossover and we saw no sign of
>> >> Kitty Pryde. Given that Joss has said how much he loves the
>> >> character, it's hard for me to believe he's going to kill her in Giant
>> >> Size Astonishing X-Men, but geez, she'd have appeared in the crossover
>> >> if she were alive, right?
>> >
>> >It is a little scary, isn't it?
>>
>> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save the
>> books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
>> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?
>
>She was, and presumably the answer is yes. All signs point to Kitty being
>killed off in Astonishing - certainly one X-Person is getting the chop
>according to the solicitations. Personally, I'm not convinced. There are
>any number of reasons that Kitty would not be present for Messiah Complex.
>
>I think the X-death in Astonishing will be Lockheed.

Has Armor (or whatever her name is, the kid with the force-field
armor) shown up in any of the other recent X-Books?

Methinks it could be that the kid is the one killed off *and* Kitty &
Lockheed are stranded somewhere in Breakworld-area space, thought KIA,
but really just MIA.

-- Rob
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LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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Shawn H wrote:
> Painter wrote:
>> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> It is a little scary, isn't it?
>>
>> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save
>> the books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
>> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?
>
> No, it can't, because the two storylines had no down time. Kitty
> was discussing with Scott what the diaries meant, so they could go
> find the new baby.

No, she wasn't. No one knew anything about any baby when they were
discussing the diaries. They just needed the diaries to keep the
Marauders/Acolytes from getting them. We don't know how much time
elapsed between X-MEN #204 (Kitty's last appearance outside of
ASTONISHING) and the start of Messiah Complex. It likely wasn't long,
but it definitely could have been long enough for the ASTONISHING arc
to take place.

The big problem is that ASTONISHING can't very well take place after
Messiah, since the mansion is unlivable and the kids will be leaving.

Kitty's peculiar absence during Messiah could be just a coincidence
though. I've heard a rumour that TPTB@Marvel want Kitty on hand for
the upcoming Magik miniseries, which is out in either Spring or Summer
this year.

> They were all just back from Astonishing (which apparently lasted
> no longer than a week, all told).

There was no reference to just getting back from ASTONISHING.
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Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in
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> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:04:40 +1100, "Nathan P. Mahney"
> <npmahney RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>>I think the X-death in Astonishing will be Lockheed.
>
> Has Armor (or whatever her name is, the kid with the force-field
> armor) shown up in any of the other recent X-Books?

She was in X-Men 207 most recently.
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It would seem a bit strange for Whedon to start off his run by
bringing back Colossus from what was arguably one the most meaningful
x-deaths in recent years, only to bookend the story by killing off
Kitty in an increasingly marginal storyline.

(just by the by, though I love Colossus I do feel that the way he was
written out the books felt very appropriate and allowed the character
to depart in a significant way. And though I also like the storyline
where he comes back, I'm still not sure in the long term it's been
worth it).

Also, reflecting on Messiah Complex as a whole, it has been so "busy"
with characters I can easily see how Kitty might have dropped out of
the limelight. That said, to not even have a brief character moment
or appearance is very, very odd...

I hadn't actually noticed until this thread brought it up though!! Is
she really not feature on any future solicitations - I don't know what
the new team line ups will be...
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Billy Bissette wrote:
> The Black Guardian wrote:
>> Shawn H wrote:
>>> Painter wrote:
>>>> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>>>> It is a little scary, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save
>>>> the books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
>>>> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?
>>>
>>> No, it can't, because the two storylines had no down time. Kitty
>>> was discussing with Scott what the diaries meant, so they could
>>> go find the new baby.
>>
>> No, she wasn't. No one knew anything about any baby when they were
>> discussing the diaries. They just needed the diaries to keep the
>> Marauders/Acolytes from getting them. We don't know how much time
>> elapsed between X-MEN #204 (Kitty's last appearance outside of
>> ASTONISHING) and the start of Messiah Complex. It likely wasn't
>> long, but it definitely could have been long enough for the
>> ASTONISHING arc to take place.
>
> Once it started, it never really stopped. I'm not sure how you
> could squeeze anything into the storyline, and particularly so with
> a team book. There are a few arguable lulls in Messiah itself, but
> Kitty was already absent by the time of those.

In X-MEN #204, the ASTONISHING team, plus Bobby, meets. The meeting is
ajourned. Bobby and Scott get into it. Then the scene changes to
Gambit and Rogue. When we return to the X-Men, Bobby is visiting with
Sam in the infirmary, and this is the scene in which Messiah begins
(the lights go out from the power surge/feedback of the baby). We
don't really know how much time elapsed during the scene changes. It
could have been minutes, or it could have been days.

IIRC, it took the ASTONISHING team 10-12 hours to get to Breakworld.
So, all that's really required to fit is for 2 or so days.

I'm just throwing this out as a possibility. I don't really believe it
should be placed there. There are some problems, like Blindfold being
bedridden before Messiah, yet she was walking around outside when the
ASTONISHING team was taken away by SWORD.

I'd be very happy for ASTONISHING to have happened before this, since
it would mean my precious Kitty doesn't die. Better yet, I'd just
assume writing the entirety of the last two arcs of ASTONISHING off as
happening in some strange alternate universe. I don't see how
ASTONISHING could take place after Messiah, given...

>> The big problem is that ASTONISHING can't very well take place
>> after Messiah, since the mansion is unlivable and the kids will
>> be leaving.
>>
>> Kitty's peculiar absence during Messiah could be just a
>> coincidence though. I've heard a rumour that TPTB@Marvel want
>> Kitty on hand for the upcoming Magik miniseries, which is out in
>> either Spring or Summer this year.
>
> That isn't a reason to keep her from Messiah though, as it ended
> before whatever Magik series you mention. Even if Messiah had run
> late, it would have been fine.

I agree. I didn't say it was a reason for keeping her from Messiah. I
said it could mean, if true, that her absence was just a coincidence.
Maybe she was just doing something else--on special assignment or
something.

And now they've delayed the ending of ASTONISHING, yet again, to April
9th. Wonder why that is...
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Painter <aw.pSaTiOnPter DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
: On 25 Jan 2008 21:29:04 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAMboy DeleteThis @gmail.com>
: wrote:

: >It is a little scary, isn't it?

: Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save the
: books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
: Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?

No, it can't, because the two storylines had no down time. Kitty was
discussing with Scott what the diaries meant, so they could go find the new
baby. They were all just back from Astonishing (which apparently lasted no
longer than a week, all told).

Shawn H.
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The Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in news:465dd712-2903-4f26-
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> Shawn H wrote:
>> Painter wrote:
>>> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>>> It is a little scary, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Wasn't Kitty there in the issues before Messiah, helping to save
>>> the books of Destiny from the Marauders? So does this mean the
>>> Astonishing arc takes place between the two storylines?
>>
>> No, it can't, because the two storylines had no down time. Kitty
>> was discussing with Scott what the diaries meant, so they could go
>> find the new baby.
>
> No, she wasn't. No one knew anything about any baby when they were
> discussing the diaries. They just needed the diaries to keep the
> Marauders/Acolytes from getting them. We don't know how much time
> elapsed between X-MEN #204 (Kitty's last appearance outside of
> ASTONISHING) and the start of Messiah Complex. It likely wasn't long,
> but it definitely could have been long enough for the ASTONISHING arc
> to take place.

Once it started, it never really stopped. I'm not sure how you
could squeeze anything into the storyline, and particularly so with
a team book. There are a few arguable lulls in Messiah itself, but
Kitty was already absent by the time of those.

> The big problem is that ASTONISHING can't very well take place after
> Messiah, since the mansion is unlivable and the kids will be leaving.
>
> Kitty's peculiar absence during Messiah could be just a coincidence
> though. I've heard a rumour that TPTB@Marvel want Kitty on hand for
> the upcoming Magik miniseries, which is out in either Spring or Summer
> this year.

That isn't a reason to keep her from Messiah though, as it ended
before whatever Magik series you mention. Even if Messiah had run
late, it would have been fine.
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:23:38 -0000, Billy Bissette
<baines DeleteThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:

>> The big problem is that ASTONISHING can't very well take place after
>> Messiah, since the mansion is unlivable and the kids will be leaving.
>>
>> Kitty's peculiar absence during Messiah could be just a coincidence
>> though. I've heard a rumour that TPTB@Marvel want Kitty on hand for
>> the upcoming Magik miniseries, which is out in either Spring or Summer
>> this year.
>
> That isn't a reason to keep her from Messiah though, as it ended
>before whatever Magik series you mention. Even if Messiah had run
>late, it would have been fine.

Also, IIRC, Claremont has something of a semi-un-official proprietary
creative interest in Kitty. Or less ambiguously, it's some kind of
Gentlemen's Agreement at Marvel that , uh, well, nobody can kill her
off but him and he otherwise gets first dibs on writing her when she's
available and he wants to use her.

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
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On Jan 28, 5:55�am, James Wyllie <james.wyl....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> It would seem a bit strange for Whedon to start off his run by
> bringing back Colossus from what was arguably one the most meaningful
> x-deaths in recent years, only to bookend the story by killing off
> Kitty in an increasingly marginal storyline.
>
> (just by the by, though I love Colossus I do feel that the way he was
> written out the books felt very appropriate and allowed the character
> to depart in a significant way. �And though I also like the storyline
> where he comes back, I'm still not sure in the long term it's been
> worth it).
>
> Also, reflecting on Messiah Complex as a whole, it has been so "busy"
> with characters I can easily see how Kitty might have dropped out of
> the limelight.

--I can't see that at all.
Cyclops needed all available X-Men for the story, and drafted
characters that weren't even part of the team (cf. XFactor). Kitty
should certainly have played a role (she would have been there to
confront the Marauders, for instance, as she was a member of the team
way back when they first fought Sinister's group).

Tony
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