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jmc wrote:

 > "John Rennie" <j.rennie1.DeleteThis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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  > > For the first time in 11 years the Conservatives have overtaken
  > > Labour in the polls and I don't care even though I have very
  > > little regard for the present Tory leadership especially Ian Duncan
  > > Smith.
 >
 > Here I prophesie - within the next 15 years, we are going to see the death
 > of the 2 party system of politics in the UK. People will be so sick of the
 > meretricious, self-serving, power-hungry, corporate sponsored cunts on
 > either side of the pendulem and begin to take responsibility for things
 > themselves. The only alternative will be fascism and the end of democracy.
 >
 > It is high time that Alice told Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum to go fuck
 > themselves!

So, excuse me, does this mean you are in favor of fascism?

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"Martha Bridegam" <mabjo.RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > jmc wrote:
 >
  > > "John Rennie" <j.rennie1.RemoveThis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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   > > > For the first time in 11 years the Conservatives have overtaken
   > > > Labour in the polls and I don't care even though I have very
   > > > little regard for the present Tory leadership especially Ian Duncan
   > > > Smith.
  > >
  > > Here I prophesie - within the next 15 years, we are going to see the
death
  > > of the 2 party system of politics in the UK. People will be so sick of
the
  > > meretricious, self-serving, power-hungry, corporate sponsored cunts on
  > > either side of the pendulem and begin to take responsibility for things
  > > themselves. The only alternative will be fascism and the end of
democracy.
  > >
  > > It is high time that Alice told Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum to go fuck
  > > themselves!
 >
 > So, excuse me, does this mean you are in favor of fascism?
 >
 > /M
 >

Humph! The only alternative (to taking responsibility for themselves)
will be fascism and the end of democracy is clearly what James meant.
Personally I don't see the end of the two party system - we like it that
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"John Rennie" <j.rennie1.TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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 > "Martha Bridegam" <mabjo.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > jmc wrote:
  > >
   > > > "John Rennie" <j.rennie1.TakeThisOut@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
   > > > news:JYcLa.45$Zr2.14@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
   > > > > For the first time in 11 years the Conservatives have overtaken
   > > > > Labour in the polls and I don't care even though I have very
   > > > > little regard for the present Tory leadership especially Ian Duncan
   > > > > Smith.
   > > >
   > > > Here I prophesie - within the next 15 years, we are going to see the
 > death
   > > > of the 2 party system of politics in the UK. People will be so sick of
 > the
   > > > meretricious, self-serving, power-hungry, corporate sponsored cunts on
   > > > either side of the pendulem and begin to take responsibility for
things
   > > > themselves. The only alternative will be fascism and the end of
 > democracy.
   > > >
   > > > It is high time that Alice told Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum to go fuck
   > > > themselves!
  > >
  > > So, excuse me, does this mean you are in favor of fascism?
  > >
  > > /M
  > >
 >
 > Humph! The only alternative (to taking responsibility for themselves)
 > will be fascism and the end of democracy is clearly what James meant.
 > Personally I don't see the end of the two party system - we like it that
 > way - I just don't see them being the same two parties.
 >
 >

Excuse me, but I quite clearly said that there are two alternatives - people
taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and being actively
involved in their communities - making "the state" an aggregate of these
communities - or fascism. I, if the record needs to be put straight, am in
favour of the former course.

What I am saying is: it cannot go on like it is. The two-party system either
have to become a flexible, multi-vocal system or a single party system. If
people think that they can plod on with Volpone and his cronies running
things, then they don't comprehend history or human nature. Or the Divine
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"jmc" <jamesmartincharlton RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > If
 > people think that they can [snip]
 > then they don't comprehend history or human nature. Or the Divine
 > Plan, for that matter...

Happy Birthday George.

Save this line for your next comedy jmc. It's a sure laugh-getter. Is it
part of the Divine Plan that you proselytize on ABGO?

Do we have any evidence about how old George responded to these kind of
Divine Plan arguments? Or did those in the 30s and 40s have too much
intellectual self-respect to try them out against their own opponents? Most
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"bayle" <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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 > "jmc" <jamesmartincharlton.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > >
 >
  > > If
  > > people think that they can [snip]
  > > then they don't comprehend history or human nature. Or the Divine
  > > Plan, for that matter...
 >
 > Happy Birthday George.
 >
 > Save this line for your next comedy jmc. It's a sure laugh-getter. Is it
 > part of the Divine Plan that you proselytize on ABGO?
 >
 > Do we have any evidence about how old George responded to these kind of
 > Divine Plan arguments? Or did those in the 30s and 40s have too much
 > intellectual self-respect to try them out against their own opponents?
Most
 > likely they would have been laughed out of court.
 >

Merely to remind you, bayle, that I am no longer responding to you - so,
anything you post in response to my posts will get no comment. I've kissed
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"jmc" <jamesmartincharlton DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "bayle" <nobody DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "jmc" <jamesmartincharlton DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> >
> > > If
> > > people think that they can [snip]
> > > then they don't comprehend history or human nature. Or the Divine
> > > Plan, for that matter...
> >
> > Happy Birthday George.
> >
> > Save this line for your next comedy jmc. It's a sure laugh-getter. Is it
> > part of the Divine Plan that you proselytize on ABGO?
> >
> > Do we have any evidence about how old George responded to these kind of
> > Divine Plan arguments? Or did those in the 30s and 40s have too much
> > intellectual self-respect to try them out against their own opponents?
> Most
> > likely they would have been laughed out of court.
> >
>
> Merely to remind you, bayle, that I am no longer responding to you - so,
> anything you post in response to my posts will get no comment. I've kissed
> you off, babe, and you won't get back in.
>

Thanks for the reminder. Doesn't mean I'm not free to mock your "from God's
lips to jmc's ear" foolishness does it? Something I intend to do whenever
you deserve it. Which I admit is most of the time.

It's part of the Divine Plan ... He told me so
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"bayle" <nobody DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Merely to remind you, bayle, that I am no longer responding to you - so,
> > anything you post in response to my posts will get no comment. I've
kissed
> > you off, babe, and you won't get back in.
> >
>
> Thanks for the reminder. Doesn't mean I'm not free to mock your "from
God's
> lips to jmc's ear" foolishness does it? Something I intend to do whenever
> you deserve it. Which I admit is most of the time.
>
> It's part of the Divine Plan ... He told me so
>
>
The Divine Plan comment was tongue-in-cheek, you bozo. You can mock away
however much you like - it's all you are good for anyway.
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Ernie Wise<j.rennie1.DeleteThis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<JYcLa.45$Zr2.14@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>...
 > For the first time in 11 years the Conservatives have overtaken
 > Labour in the polls and I don't care even though I have very
 > little regard for the present Tory leadership especially Ian Duncan
 > Smith. There was a news story today from Iraq wherein it was
 > stated that the young Military Policemen caught by a mob of
 > 300 or so Iraqis pleaded with them to save their lives; they showed
 > photographs of their families to show that they were much the same
 > as their assailants to no avail. Blair, Campbell and the appalling new
 > Labour regime backed by the Terra Cotta army (the huge Labour
 > majority) are responsible for these young men's deaths and the
 > rest of the British casualties in Iraq; they have led us into one
 > of the worst situations that I can recall. Worst than Suez even -
 > it only took us a couple of months to extricate ourselves from
 > that one. How long will it take us to get out of Iraq? I do not
 > blame Bush for our troubles I blame our government. It's desire
 > to support America overrode any other considerations; we are no
 > longer 'at the heart of Europe' we are on the fringes. Everything
 > that has happened was all so predictable to those of us with
 > IQs above room temperature. The British have woken up at
 > last; if Blair tells them that the sun will rise in the East, they won't
 > believe him; they know that even if he doesn't tell lies, he
 > believes them if they suit his purposes.


I think the Iraqis are fucking ungrateful bastards. Do you think John,
that now we've colonised Iraq we can export all the immigrants here to
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don't see them being the same two parties.
  > >
  > >
 >
 > Excuse me, but I quite clearly said that there are two alternatives - people
 > taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and being actively
 > involved in their communities - making "the state" an aggregate of these
 > communities -

I thought that's what- roughly speaking, we've got now? Those people
who are 'taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and
being actively
involved in their communities' are called councillors and so forth and
they become liars and corrupt very quickly. And even the ones that
don't, well, the situation is as it currently is. Add to that the fact
these local councils ideology levels far outstrip common sense levels
and there you have it. If you mean by 'taking responsibility for their
lives on a local level and being actively
involved in their communities' you mean revolution (if you mean
regeneration could you possibly enlarge on that) then it will, as we
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"ROBBIE" <famousfatboydance.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > "jmc" <jamesmartincharlton.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  > > "John Rennie" <j.rennie1.DeleteThis@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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 > don't see them being the same two parties.
   > > >
   > > >
  > >
  > > Excuse me, but I quite clearly said that there are two alternatives -
people
  > > taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and being
actively
  > > involved in their communities - making "the state" an aggregate of these
  > > communities -
 >
 > I thought that's what- roughly speaking, we've got now? Those people
 > who are 'taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and
 > being actively
 > involved in their communities' are called councillors and so forth and
 > they become liars and corrupt very quickly. And even the ones that
 > don't, well, the situation is as it currently is.

I mean, really, every man jack of us.

Add to that the fact
 > these local councils ideology levels far outstrip common sense levels
 > and there you have it. If you mean by 'taking responsibility for their
 > lives on a local level and being actively
 > involved in their communities' you mean revolution (if you mean
 > regeneration could you possibly enlarge on that)

I will when I get time.

then it will, as we
 > know, end up the same.

So enter my old mate "change in consciousness" by which I mean development
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   > > > "John Rennie" <j.rennie1 DeleteThis @ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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 > don't see them being the same two parties.
   > > > >
   > > > >
   > > >
   > > > Excuse me, but I quite clearly said that there are two alternatives -
 > people
   > > > taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and being
 > actively
   > > > involved in their communities - making "the state" an aggregate of these
   > > > communities -
  > >
  > > I thought that's what- roughly speaking, we've got now? Those people
  > > who are 'taking responsibility for their lives on a local level and
  > > being actively
  > > involved in their communities' are called councillors and so forth and
  > > they become liars and corrupt very quickly. And even the ones that
  > > don't, well, the situation is as it currently is.
 >
 > I mean, really, every man jack of us.

Imagine all the people eh?

 >
 > Add to that the fact
  > > these local councils ideology levels far outstrip common sense levels
  > > and there you have it. If you mean by 'taking responsibility for their
  > > lives on a local level and being actively
  > > involved in their communities' you mean revolution (if you mean
  > > regeneration could you possibly enlarge on that)
 >
 > I will when I get time.

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"jmc" <jamesmartincharlton RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "bayle" <nobody RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >
>
> > >
> > > Merely to remind you, bayle, that I am no longer responding to you -
so,
> > > anything you post in response to my posts will get no comment. I've
> kissed
> > > you off, babe, and you won't get back in.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder. Doesn't mean I'm not free to mock your "from
> God's
> > lips to jmc's ear" foolishness does it? Something I intend to do
whenever
> > you deserve it. Which I admit is most of the time.
> >
> > It's part of the Divine Plan ... He told me so
> >
> >
> The Divine Plan comment was tongue-in-cheek, you bozo. You can mock away
> however much you like - it's all you are good for anyway.
>

LOL. I suppose in one of your world-famous dramas my character ought to
engage in an "I'm not some nobody" TM(jmc) rant and throw my vita on the
table, proving to you that I am not a nobody but in fact Marshall Mcluhan.

Naah.
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 >
 > I think the Iraqis are fucking ungrateful bastards. Do you think John,
 > that now we've colonised Iraq we can export all the immigrants here to
 > there?

We need to be careful. I saw an Iraqi interviewed with an Iranian (what he
was doing there you'd have to ask the wanky press) about the situation. Both
of them were US college professors. The Iranian was spouting the line that
the Coalition should leave. The Iraqi wanted no parts of it. He said that
most of the trouble was being caused by Baath party supporters. He noted
that even the Shiites clergy hadn't asked the US to leave. He then said that
if we left, Saddam's supporters would come back into power.

It gave me an idea. Suppose we pull back into a free Kurdistan in the North
and modernize it (showing that it can be done with cooperation and
fulfilling one third of our promises) and into Kuwait in the south. Let the
Iraqis fight it ought for a while. A nice civil war. Let the left whine
about all the Iraqi casualties, the dead babies, the lack of electricity,
the human rights violations. The usual rants. But then it wouldn't be our
problem. Iraqi on Iraqi violence you know. They lived with in for 10 years
they can wait a little longer. We let them know that if they fuck with us or
the Kurds we take them out. In fact we let them know that Iraq would become
one big free fire zone.

And if they ask us nicely we might ... naa fuckem. Let the Eddie Saids and
the Koffi Annans fix the mess. Let the Rennies and the Alports complain: "We
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