Legalized Pickpocketing

James Kuyper wrote:

> No, I recognized the distinction you were making, and rejected it as
> irrelevant. William Star's comment was about the law; not statutory law
> or constitutional law - just law in general.

And he was responding to a post where I was making the distinction for a
very specific and fairly obvious reason, which has been lost in the
nitpicking.

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Quadibloc <jsavard DeleteThis @ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>I don't know for sure if this was a Larry Niven story, but the one I
>remember that had the death penalty for minor crimes made dramatic was
>about someone who went on a rampage, destroying transplant organs,
>after being sentenced to death for running a red light on three
>occasions and speeding on multiple occasions.

It's been a YASID earlier in this very thread, in fact: The Jigsaw Man,
visible in All The Myriad Ways. (And yes, it's Niven.)

Dave
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:00:59 -0800, "Mike Schilling"
<mscottschilling.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> High treason is actually listed in the Constitution itself as a
>>> capital offense.
>>
>> In the United States Constitution?
>
>It is defined in the Constitution, but no particular penalty is
>described for it:

I've never been comfortable that states (and churches) put themselves
above their people.
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In article <slrnfnl6m0.vnt.dbd RemoveThis @gatekeeper.vic.com>,
dbd RemoveThis @gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:

> Quadibloc <jsavard RemoveThis @ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>> I don't know for sure if this was a Larry Niven story, but the one I
>> remember that had the death penalty for minor crimes made dramatic was
>> about someone who went on a rampage, destroying transplant organs,
>> after being sentenced to death for running a red light on three
>> occasions and speeding on multiple occasions.

> It's been a YASID earlier in this very thread, in fact: The Jigsaw Man,
> visible in All The Myriad Ways. (And yes, it's Niven.)

What is a YASID, please?


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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:13:14 GMT, "Ginevra M. Longbottom"
<ginevra_ml@orpheusnet> wrote:

>In article <slrnfnl6m0.vnt.dbd.DeleteThis@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard.DeleteThis@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>> I don't know for sure if this was a Larry Niven story, but the one I
>>> remember that had the death penalty for minor crimes made dramatic was
>>> about someone who went on a rampage, destroying transplant organs,
>>> after being sentenced to death for running a red light on three
>>> occasions and speeding on multiple occasions.
>
>> It's been a YASID earlier in this very thread, in fact: The Jigsaw Man,
>> visible in All The Myriad Ways. (And yes, it's Niven.)
>
>What is a YASID, please?

Yet Another Story ID (request).

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Bill Snyder <bsnyder.TakeThisOut@airmail.net> wrote:
>"Ginevra M. Longbottom" <ginevra_ml@orpheusnet> wrote:
>>dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard.TakeThisOut@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> I don't know for sure if this was a Larry Niven story, but the one I
>>>> remember that had the death penalty for minor crimes made dramatic was
>>>> about someone who went on a rampage, destroying transplant organs,
>>>> after being sentenced to death for running a red light on three
>>>> occasions and speeding on multiple occasions.
>>
>>> It's been a YASID earlier in this very thread, in fact: The Jigsaw Man,
>>> visible in All The Myriad Ways. (And yes, it's Niven.)
>>
>>What is a YASID, please?
>
>Yet Another Story ID (request).

It's happened often enough in r.a.sf.w that someone's said "What _is_ that
story/book/short in which <partial description>, what's its name and who's
it by" and someone else has been able to answer, seemingly without much regard
to how partial the description, that it's not only gotten its own acronym as
noted above, but a) there's a (monthly?) post keeping track of what YASID
requests were made, which ones were answered and by who, and which went
unanswered, and b) the group apparently has got some external reputation as
a place to go to find out What That Story You Can't Remember Was... The FAQ
lists the several most likely to appear YASIDs overall, if I remember right.

Dave
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dbd.TakeThisOut@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:

>Bill Snyder <bsnyder.TakeThisOut@airmail.net> wrote:
>>"Ginevra M. Longbottom" <ginevra_ml@orpheusnet> wrote:
>>>What is a YASID, please?
>>
>>Yet Another Story ID (request).

>It's happened often enough in r.a.sf.w that someone's said "What _is_ that
>story/book/short in which <partial description>, what's its name and who's
>it by" and someone else has been able to answer, seemingly without much regard
>to how partial the description, that it's not only gotten its own acronym as
>noted above, but a) there's a (monthly?) post keeping track of what YASID
>requests were made, which ones were answered and by who, and which went
>unanswered, and b) the group apparently has got some external reputation as
>a place to go to find out What That Story You Can't Remember Was... The FAQ
>lists the several most likely to appear YASIDs overall, if I remember right.

Yes, and the story you're thinking of is ``Fondly Fahrenheit''
by Alfred Bester.

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Joseph Nebus <nebusj-.TakeThisOut@-rpi-.edu> wrote:
>dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>It's happened often enough in r.a.sf.w that someone's said "What _is_ that
>>story/book/short in which <partial description>, what's its name and who's
>>it by" and someone else has been able to answer, seemingly without much regard
>>to how partial the description, that it's not only gotten its own acronym as
>>noted above, but a) there's a (monthly?) post keeping track of what YASID
>>requests were made, which ones were answered and by who, and which went
>>unanswered, and b) the group apparently has got some external reputation as
>>a place to go to find out What That Story You Can't Remember Was... The FAQ
>>lists the several most likely to appear YASIDs overall, if I remember right.
>
> Yes, and the story you're thinking of is ``Fondly Fahrenheit''
>by Alfred Bester.

....well, it certainly is NOW.

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> Well, it will be, eventually.

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Erik Max Francis wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > How do I contact Larry Niven to ask him to explain the history of how
> > pickpocketing became legal on Earth?
>
> You don't, if you're going to take seven years to actually finish the
> conversation.

If I took less than 7 years, how would I contact Larry Niven?
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Tim Bruening wrote:

> Erik Max Francis wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>>> How do I contact Larry Niven to ask him to explain the history of how
>>> pickpocketing became legal on Earth?
>> You don't, if you're going to take seven years to actually finish the
>> conversation.
>
> If I took less than 7 years, how would I contact Larry Niven?

It's a story, it's not real, and in particular it's essentially a
throwaway comment made in only a few stories. Why not move on? Let
alone, not bother Niven himself about it?

I shudder to think how long it would take to keep up an email
conversation given your seven-year break in this thread.

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Erik Max Francis wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > Erik Max Francis wrote:
> >
> >> Tim Bruening wrote:
> >>
> >>> How do I contact Larry Niven to ask him to explain the history of how
> >>> pickpocketing became legal on Earth?
> >> You don't, if you're going to take seven years to actually finish the
> >> conversation.
> >
> > If I took less than 7 years, how would I contact Larry Niven?
>
> It's a story, it's not real, and in particular it's essentially a
> throwaway comment made in only a few stories. Why not move on? Let
> alone, not bother Niven himself about it?

Because Niven is the only person who might know how pick pocketing becomes
legal, since he's the one who wrote the stories mentioning that Earth has no
laws against pick pocketing.
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In article <47750896.F29665B0 DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening wrote:
> If you can't enforce pickpocketing due to the overcrowding, how do you enforce
> gun control laws?
>
Introduce (and ruthlessly enforce) the death penalty for sale of guns ;
add a rider for "death after a year of public torture by intelligent,
psychopathic, morticians with excellent medical facilities to ensure that you
*do* spend that year in incredible agony. In front of your family and friends"
for possession of (any) ammunition or ammunition paraphernalia.
A few years of seeing people screaming in cages on street corners would
probably reduce the number of people willing to sell ammunition. Without
ammunition, guns are rather clumsy clubs.

While NLarry was clearly writing from a US perspective, he's talking
about a global society. So it's a safe bet that the US's insane preoccupation
with guns will have been dealt with during the absorbtion of the US into the
Rest of The World.
I was talking with the wife a couple of days ago and pointed out that the
*difference* between the populations of India and China is comparable to the
population of the United States. So on any even vaguely equitable settlement,
the US is going to have to learn to adapt to the norms of other people.
Shall I get my heretic's asbestos underwear on again?
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Aidan Karley wrote:

> While NLarry was clearly writing from a US perspective,

Suggesting that in his Known Space stories the idea of the UN he was
positing as apparently serious and reasonable, and calling it "a US
perspective," is pretty patently laughable.

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