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Since: May 14, 2005 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:00 am
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In article <na.0b2f2a4dcb.a806e0tennant.DeleteThis@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Tennant Stuart
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> What if one set of breeders was the most powerful culture on the planet,
> using technology to survive the damage it was doing to the environment,
> whilst harming the potential descendants of rival sets of breeders?
>
And the bastard offspring of the dominant culture outside the
political control of the dominant culture? From the machinations of Teela
in Ringworld Engineers to get Louis to toast 5% of the Ringworld's
population, it's evident that Protector's motivations don't play the "I
care about descendants in one location more than another location" game.
And I'd bet that the externally-domiciled descendants of a certain
temporarily dominant culture number more than 15 million (5% of 300
million). So, protectors don't have much choice but to protect the planet
rather than the particular location. (One could come to the same conclusion
from a "atmospheres don't stop at political borders" argument, but Dubya
the First might think we're being anti-American, and the climate in Cuba is
so sweaty this decade.)
> >> Spelunker!
>
> > Guilty. The next issue (or a couple further) of Cave and Karst
> > Science may have a paper in it which I contributed to. More work this
> > summer coming, it would seem too.
>
> I only knew the word from playing Adventure, many moons ago.
>
But you managed to associate it (correctly) with GG.
> > more weight in the baggage - every second flight to the rigs this year
> > the passengers are getting weighed along with their baggage with *lots*
> > of pressure to cut your baggage weights down.
>
> Aren't there now mobile phones where GPS is merely one more feature?
>
Mobiles are intermittently banned. Currently the flavour is that
they must be stowed in your baggage at check-in, switched off, and NEVER
switched on while on board. But I wouldn't be in the least surprised to
sdee you having to leave them at the heliport again (which is a right royal
pain in the proverbials, both for the workforce and for the heliport
management). Actually, if you fly out of Blackpool heliport (or Morcambe
Bay, or Liverpool), you still have to leave your phones onshore because the
rigs are close enough inshore that you can sometimes get mobile service. To
quote an OIM of my acquaintance "I want to be able to take a hammer to one
box in the Radio Room and *know* that no information is leaving the rig
without my say-so."
None of which affect the fact that GPS signals don't penetrate
through steel plate (or aluminium foil, or Hastelloy 516 mesh). And since I
don't use my laptop in the open air, and do have to quote wellbore
positions to a precision of +/- 3 mm ... well, I'd rather not be
unnecessarily misleading.
> > phrase of NMEA. Do-able without rocket science.
>
> Or just have a lookup table for the wi-fi hub currently in use.
>
WiFi hub? I've still never seen WiFi in use. Anywhere. Ever.
In a corporate network environment composed of fixed workstations
with minimal local storage (i.e. everything has to be stored on a network
drive), and with the necessary lock-down on installation of new hardware
(to prevent data theft through a USB memory stick), would you view WiFi as
anything other than a massive security hole?
Mobile workers with laptops? - if they're part of your company, the
laptops already have the appropriate remote management and locked-down
environment on them. If they're not part of your company's network, then
they don't matter.
Let's give you an idea of how much provision is made for personal
usage - the best equipped rig I've seen as far as personal access to the
Internet goes had 3 PCs (locked down, only a floppy drive available) for a
POB (persons on board) of 170 people working 3 weeks on/ 3 weeks off. The
same company has, in the last couple of months, rejigged all network
permissions so that you could either log on as a "job title" (e.g.
'Wellsite Geologist, Smith Installation') when you have access to network
drives, the internal network, and email OR you had to log on personally
(e.g. "aidan.karley") when you could only access the company's web gateway.
Specifically, as a personal user, you could not use email except through
something like Yahoo or HotMail. Oh, and getting a personal account would
take a minimum of 2 weeks.
That is how much personal utility is valued.
(Actually, the main reason that the network was opened up to this
extent for personal use is that several voice phone lines were constantly
engaged with people trying to make arrangements for their flights home, and
other people were losing working time forwarding faxes for other people,
which costs money! Cheaper to allow some email access and to be able to
lose 24 hour cover in the Radio Room (about $100,000 per year).
> > Ho hum. Midnight approaching and Lara Croft has fallen to her
> > death for the enough'th time tonight. I feel a snooze coming on.
>
> Hold down both shifts while hitting the B & N keys for Lara to join you
> in her Babydoll Nightie...
>
This is a previously-unencountered combination of "holding down a
shift" and "Lara in a Babydoll Nightie". Shouldn't I stop holding down her
shift in order to grab something more interesting?
(Besides, Lara sleeps in her skin. Isn't it obvious?)
--
Aidan Karley,
Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: +57d10' , -02d09' (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:17 am
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> Aidan Karley wrote:
>> Define "planet".
>> Now define it again, differently.
>> I'd go for a dividing line of whether an object is massive
>>enough to have compacted into a more-or-less spherical shape under the
>>influence of it's own gravity.
I would vote for 8 'planets'. 4 rocks & 4 gas giants.
Then 'planetismals' /moons - spherical under their own gravity.
- define more-or-less spherical boundry -
Asteroids - rocks not spherical.
Comets - dirty snowballs boiling volatiles while in system.
In system - inside Neptune.
KBO's Kuiper(?) belt.
Ourt Cloud.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:58 am
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Jim Lillie wrote:
>> Aidan wrote:
>>> Define "planet".
>>> Now define it again, differently.
>>> I'd go for a dividing line of whether an object is massive
>>> enough to have compacted into a more-or-less spherical shape under the
>>> influence of it's own gravity.
> I would vote for 8 'planets'. 4 rocks & 4 gas giants.
> Then 'planetismals' /moons - spherical under their own gravity.
> - define more-or-less spherical boundry -
> Asteroids - rocks not spherical.
> Comets - dirty snowballs boiling volatiles while in system.
> In system - inside Neptune.
> KBO's Kuiper(?) belt.
> Ourt Cloud.
Kuiper is correct, but the cloud is named after Oort.
Speaking of which, what about Sedna & Xena?
Ginevra
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Since: May 14, 2005 Posts: 63
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:00 am
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In article <krednXcE-dS8YAvenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d.DeleteThis@adelphia.com>, Jim Lillie
wrote:
> Then 'planetismals' /moons - spherical under their own gravity.
> - define more-or-less spherical boundry -
> Asteroids - rocks not spherical.
>
Is Ceres a significantly different body to Mars? On what grounds
other than size?
If Mars is a planet and Ceres isn't, is Mercury?
If Mercury is a planet and Ceres isn't, why not?
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:00 am
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In article <fIxm7.2485$lk6.886332@orpheusnews>, Ginevra M. Longbottom
wrote:
> Kuiper is correct, but the cloud is named after Oort.
>
> Speaking of which, what about Sedna & Xena?
>
Indeed. What of them? Are they planets? Or "iceballs"?. How can
we be sure, if we were to classify them both as being "iceballs" that
one of them isn't actually a rocky escapee from the Mars-Jupiter
asteroid belt which had a close encounter with one or more other bodies
on it's way out then had it's perihelion raised by resonance with
Neptune and drag from the rest of the Kuiper Belt/ Oort Cloud?
Answer - we don't know that. At the moment our level of
knowledge is - orbital parameters, light curve, and for some we have
the surface colour, but even the colour isn't diagnostic (with our
present uncertainty about early/ distant solar system processes).
Given this parlous state of knowledge, we need to be cautious
about our classification schemes so that we don't have to go back on
ourselves (too often).
(BTW, "Xena" does not yet appear in the MPC database - I just
checked, but there is 585 Polyxena which will get us back onto the
thread title quite nicely.)
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Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: +57d10' , -02d09' (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:16 am
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Ginevra M. Longbottom wrote:
> Jim Lillie wrote:
>
>>In system - inside Neptune.
>>KBO's Kuiper(?) belt.
>>Ourt Cloud.
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> Kuiper is correct, but the cloud is named after Oort.
>
> Speaking of which, what about Sedna & Xena?
>
>
> Ginevra
>
Thank you for the correction.
Sedna & Xena would be KBO planetismals. Reasonable?
Jim Lillie
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:20 am
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Aidan Karley wrote:
> In article <krednXcE-dS8YAvenZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d.DeleteThis@adelphia.com>, Jim Lillie
> wrote:
>
>>Then 'planetismals' /moons - spherical under their own gravity.
>> - define more-or-less spherical boundry -
>>Asteroids - rocks not spherical.
>>
>
> Is Ceres a significantly different body to Mars? On what grounds
> other than size?
> If Mars is a planet and Ceres isn't, is Mercury?
> If Mercury is a planet and Ceres isn't, why not?
>
Mercury and Mars are planets orbiting the sun.
Ceres would be a planetismal approaching them in size, but orbiting a
planet as a moon, rather than the sun.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:32 pm
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Jim Lillie <jimlillie.RemoveThis@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Ceres would be a planetismal approaching them in size, but orbiting a
> planet as a moon, rather than the sun.
No, it is one of the "asteroids", so is ALSO orbiting the sun in the
belt between Mars and Jupiter.
It just is much smaller then most of the planets (a diameter of
about 1000 km, which is 1/12 of that of Earth).
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:32 pm
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Eef Hartman wrote:
> Jim Lillie <jimlillie.TakeThisOut@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>>Ceres would be a planetismal approaching them in size, but orbiting a
>>planet as a moon, rather than the sun.
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>
> No, it is one of the "asteroids", so is ALSO orbiting the sun in the
> belt between Mars and Jupiter.
>
> It just is much smaller then most of the planets (a diameter of
> about 1000 km, which is 1/12 of that of Earth).
My error. Thanks.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:19 pm
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Aidan wrote:
> Jim wrote:
>> Then 'planetismals' /moons - spherical under their own gravity.
>> - define more-or-less spherical boundry -
>> Asteroids - rocks not spherical.
There is a problem with sphericity, in that large objects far from the
sun can be more oblongular than much smaller objects near to the sun.
> Is Ceres a significantly different body to Mars? On what grounds
> other than size?
> If Mars is a planet and Ceres isn't, is Mercury?
> If Mercury is a planet and Ceres isn't, why not?
There are rinky-dink moons bigger than Ceres; here are the diameters of
the 7 planets, and the larger moons & planetesimals (in miles)...
Jupiter ...... 86,900 j
Saturn ....... 72,383 s
Uranus ....... 31,525 u
Neptune ...... 30,608 n
Earth ......... 7,919 e
Venus ......... 7,522 v
Mars .......... 4,214 m
Ganymede ...... 3,271 j1
Titan ......... 3,201 s1
Mercury ....... 3,033 --
Callisto ...... 2,996 j2
Io ............ 2,264 j3
Luna .......... 2,159 e1
Europa ........ 1,878 j4
Triton ........ 1,682 n1
Xena .......... 1,678 k1
Pluto ......... 1,485 k2
Easterbunny ... 1,119 k3
Santaclaus ...... 994 k4
Titania ......... 981 u1
Rhea ............ 950 s2
Oberon .......... 946 u2
Sedna ........... 926 k5
Iapetus ......... 892 s3
Orcus ........... 845 k6
Charon .......... 737 k7
Umbriel ......... 727 u3
Quaoar .......... 726 k8
Ariel ........... 720 u4
Dione ........... 696 s4
Tethys .......... 659 s5
Varuna .......... 659 k9
Epiphany ........ 603 k10
Ceres ........... 590 ---
Ixion ........... 578 k11
Note that if you ignore the largest & smallest planets, the initial
letters of the remaining five (increasing size) spell out VENUS.
Ginevra
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:20 pm
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Jim Lillie wrote:
> Ginevra M. Longbottom wrote:
>> Jim Lillie wrote:
>>> In system - inside Neptune.
>>> KBO's Kuiper(?) belt.
>>> Ourt Cloud.
>> Kuiper is correct, but the cloud is named after Oort.
>> Speaking of which, what about Sedna & Xena?
> Thank you for the correction.
> Sedna & Xena would be KBO planetismals. Reasonable?
They might be KBOs, they might be something else.
If they're planetesimals, then so is Pluto.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:20 pm
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Ginevra M. Longbottom wrote:
> Jim Lillie wrote:
>
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>>Sedna & Xena would be KBO planetismals. Reasonable?
>
>
> They might be KBOs, they might be something else.
>
> If they're planetesimals, then so is Pluto.
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>
> Ginevra
>
Yes. A KBO planetismal.
Charon is a moon orbiting a planetismal.
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:21 pm
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Aidan wrote:
> (BTW, "Xena" does not yet appear in the MPC database - I just
> checked, but there is 585 Polyxena which will get us back onto the
> thread title quite nicely.)
Xena is just a nickname, while the IAU sits on the fence about Pluto.
Other large objects have nicknames like Santaclaus & Easterbunny.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:00 am
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In article <fIxm7.2485$lk6.886333@orpheusnews>, Ginevra M. Longbottom
wrote:
> There is a problem with sphericity, in that large objects far from the
> sun can be more oblongular than much smaller objects near to the sun.
>
A Angleskii, pozhalista? ("In English, please?")
> There are rinky-dink moons bigger than Ceres;
>
Which is why I carefully didn't mention them. <G>
The processes of formation of the various moons may or may not be
similar to the formation of the independent planets. From a formation
process point of view, most of the moons of the solar system can be
safely ignored, being captured asteroids. There are probably two
distinct ways of forming a moon - an accretion process producing small
ones (Titan, Ganymede ...) and an impact process forming the large ones
(Luna, Charon).
ObNiven : Is Jinx a planet or a moon? Yes.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:43 pm
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Jim Lillie wrote:
> Ginevra M. Longbottom wrote:
>>> Sedna & Xena would be KBO planetismals. Reasonable?
>> They might be KBOs, they might be something else.
>> If they're planetesimals, then so is Pluto.
> Yes. A KBO planetismal.
> Charon is a moon orbiting a planetismal.
Pluto & Charon are more of a double-planetesimal, being the solar
system's most equal pair in size, and also the only pair where the
barycentre is above the surface of the larger body.
Ginevra
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