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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:04 pm
Post subject: Re: What is LotR *really* about? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jul 15, 10:53 pm, Stan Brown <the_stan_br... DeleteThis @fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:54:22 -0700 from
> <pseudonimofaqha... DeleteThis @yahoo.com.br>:
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> > To get back on track, let's pursue the botany question. Arguably,
> > botany IS one of the dominant themes of LOTR. Did Tolkien describe the
> > cellular structure of symbelmyne anywhere? Was it Rosaceae or
> > soemthing else?
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> I submit that there's a lot of enjoyment and appreciation of flowers
> and trees, but I don't see how that can be called botany. Botany
> would involve studying their structure and function, and if I'm not
> mistaken Tolkien never does that.
i'm vaguely reminded of tolkien's statement (iirc), that tom bombadil
represented "science," botany as opposed to gardening or something
like that. i can't say, though, that this interpretation arose very
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:45 am
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:47 am
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On 2007-07-22, andrew <andrew RemoveThis @ilium.invalid> wrote:
> On 2007-07-12, Dirk Thierbach <dthierbach RemoveThis @usenet.arcornews.de> wrote:
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>> "a really long story that would hold the attention of readers, amuse
>> them, delight them, and at times maybe excite them or deeply move them."
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> I think you have encapsulated it beautifully 
Or rather JRRT has had the last word!!
Andrew
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:12 pm
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"Dirk Thierbach" <dthierbach.DeleteThis@usenet.arcornews.de> skrev i meddelandet
news:20070712141021.117D.1.NOFFLE@dthierbach.news.arcor.de...
> Derek Broughton <news.DeleteThis@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>> a.bit.of.fry.and.laurie.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> Seemingly an easy question to answer: "it's about Frodo's quest to
>>> destroy the One Ring and, as a backdrop, about the war in Middle-
>>> earth".
>>> But it's not that simple, is it. So what *is* it about?
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>> Good vs Evil
>> Predestination vs Free Will
>> Friendship
>> Music
>> Racism
>> Duty
>> Honor
>> Ethics
>> Sacrifice (both noble and otherwise)
>> Sociology
>> Geography
>> History
>> Metallurgy (perhaps should be higher on the list)
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> and
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> Language
> Philology
> Religion
> Art and the desire to Create (or Subcreate)
> Power, Corruption and Despair
> Death and Immortality
> "a really long story that would hold the attention of readers, amuse
> them, delight them, and at times maybe excite them or deeply move them."
And a guy from Singapore called Joe.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:43 pm
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Am Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:12:32 +0200 schrieb Öjevind Lång:
> "Dirk Thierbach" <dthierbach DeleteThis @usenet.arcornews.de> skrev i meddelandet
> news:20070712141021.117D.1.NOFFLE@dthierbach.news.arcor.de...
>> Derek Broughton <news DeleteThis @pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>> a.bit.of.fry.and.laurie DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
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>>>> Seemingly an easy question to answer: "it's about Frodo's quest to
>>>> destroy the One Ring and, as a backdrop, about the war in Middle-
>>>> earth".
>>>> But it's not that simple, is it. So what *is* it about?
>>
>>> Good vs Evil
>>> Predestination vs Free Will
>>> Friendship
>>> Music
>>> Racism
>>> Duty
>>> Honor
>>> Ethics
>>> Sacrifice (both noble and otherwise)
>>> Sociology
>>> Geography
>>> History
>>> Metallurgy (perhaps should be higher on the list)
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>> and
>>
>> Language
>> Philology
>> Religion
>> Art and the desire to Create (or Subcreate)
>> Power, Corruption and Despair
>> Death and Immortality
>> "a really long story that would hold the attention of readers, amuse
>> them, delight them, and at times maybe excite them or deeply move them."
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> And a guy from Singapore called Joe.
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> Öjevind
Aside from Joe, Tolkiens own answers to the about-question include
power, death and immortality, liguistic aesthetics, original sin, god,
technology..
But presumably the most important statement is: "It is not 'about' anything
but itself." (Letters p.220, see also p.267).
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:14 pm
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On Jul 22, 12:12 pm, "Öjevind Lång" <bredband.....TakeThisOut@ojevind.lang> wrote:
> "Dirk Thierbach" <dthierb....TakeThisOut@usenet.arcornews.de> skrev i meddelandetnews:20070712141021.117D.1.NOFFLE@dthierbach.news.arcor.de...
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> > Derek Broughton <n....TakeThisOut@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> >> a.bit.of.fry.and.lau....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
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> >>> Seemingly an easy question to answer: "it's about Frodo's quest to
> >>> destroy the One Ring and, as a backdrop, about the war in Middle-
> >>> earth".
> >>> But it's not that simple, is it. So what *is* it about?
>
> >> Good vs Evil
> >> Predestination vs Free Will
> >> Friendship
> >> Music
> >> Racism
> >> Duty
> >> Honor
> >> Ethics
> >> Sacrifice (both noble and otherwise)
> >> Sociology
> >> Geography
> >> History
> >> Metallurgy (perhaps should be higher on the list)
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> > and
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> > Language
> > Philology
> > Religion
> > Art and the desire to Create (or Subcreate)
> > Power, Corruption and Despair
> > Death and Immortality
> > "a really long story that would hold the attention of readers, amuse
> > them, delight them, and at times maybe excite them or deeply move them.."
>
> And a guy from Singapore called Joe.
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> Öjevind- Hide quoted text -
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No, it's a study in novel form, of William Blake.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:29 am
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In news:5ghl0pF3g4n5hU1@mid.individual.net, on Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:12:32
GMT, "Öjevind Lång" <bredband.net.RemoveThis@ojevind.lang> wrote:
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> And a guy from Singapore called Joe.
It was written as part of Tolkien's mega-plan plan to enrich Peter Jackson.
Tolkien was ever so subtle and sly that way.
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