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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:13 am
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In this book, two kids named Digory and Polly use magic rings to travel
from Earth, to the Wood Between The Worlds, and then to Charn, where
Digory foolishly rings a bell that wakes up the evil witch Queen Jadis.
In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
turn her sister and the other rebels into dust? (or perhaps turn the
ground underneath the rebels into dust, or make buildings collapse on
the rebels).
PP 75-76: Digory's uncle Andrew didn't like the sound of the creation
song the lion Aslan was singing, so when he saw that the singer was a
lion, he made himself believe that it was just roaring. He therefore
made himself incapable of hearing the speech of Aslan or any other
Talking Animal as anything but animal noises. No Talking Animal could
understand Andrew either! However, if Aslan had gone out of Andrew's
sight, assumed the form of an English gentleman, then walked up to
Andrew, would Andrew have then been able to understand Aslan? After
all, Andrew would be expecting an English gentleman to speak English!
Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:56 am
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>In this book, two kids named Digory and Polly use magic rings to travel
>from Earth, to the Wood Between The Worlds, and then to Charn, where
>Digory foolishly rings a bell that wakes up the evil witch Queen Jadis.
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>In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
>turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
>she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
>as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
>until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
>the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
>uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
>turn her sister and the other rebels into dust?
Did Jadis say that the Word in question could be used in a restricted
manner?
(or perhaps turn the
>ground underneath the rebels into dust, or make buildings collapse on
>the rebels).
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>PP 75-76: Digory's uncle Andrew didn't like the sound of the creation
>song the lion Aslan was singing, so when he saw that the singer was a
>lion, he made himself believe that it was just roaring. He therefore
>made himself incapable of hearing the speech of Aslan or any other
>Talking Animal as anything but animal noises. No Talking Animal could
>understand Andrew either! However, if Aslan had gone out of Andrew's
>sight, assumed the form of an English gentleman, then walked up to
>Andrew, would Andrew have then been able to understand Aslan? After
>all, Andrew would be expecting an English gentleman to speak English!
English gentlemen didn't look all the different from French gentlemen
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>Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
>has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
>Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
>repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
>having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
>to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
>continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
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Bitstring <43B3A8CE.84C1B3E4 RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, from the wonderful
person Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> said
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>In this book, two kids named Digory and Polly use magic rings to travel
>from Earth, to the Wood Between The Worlds, and then to Charn, where
>Digory foolishly rings a bell that wakes up the evil witch Queen Jadis.
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>In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
>turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
>she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
>as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
>until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
>the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
>uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
>turn her sister and the other rebels into dust? (or perhaps turn the
>ground underneath the rebels into dust, or make buildings collapse on
>the rebels).
Jadis ain't very bright. 8>.
>PP 75-76: Digory's uncle Andrew didn't like the sound of the creation
>song the lion Aslan was singing, so when he saw that the singer was a
>lion, he made himself believe that it was just roaring. He therefore
>made himself incapable of hearing the speech of Aslan or any other
>Talking Animal as anything but animal noises. No Talking Animal could
>understand Andrew either! However, if Aslan had gone out of Andrew's
>sight, assumed the form of an English gentleman, then walked up to
>Andrew, would Andrew have then been able to understand Aslan? After
>all, Andrew would be expecting an English gentleman to speak English!
Yes. But Aslan wouldn't do that sort of thing. he isn't a =TAME= lion,
you see.
>Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
>has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
>Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
>repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
>having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
>to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
>continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
Maybe it only works for the first generation off spring from the tree of
life?
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GSV Three Minds in a Can
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In article <JWeK2cH5q+sDFAGI@from.is.invalid>,
GSV Three Minds in a Can <GSV.RemoveThis@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote:
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>>Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
>>has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
>>Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
>>repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
>>having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
>>to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
>>continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
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>Maybe it only works for the first generation off spring from the tree of
>life?
and/or while the land is still oozing the life force of creation or
whatever. (e.g., the lamppost and the gold and silver trees growing
from detritus dropped by the interlopers from earth)
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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: In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
: turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
: she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
: as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
: until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
: the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
: uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
: turn her sister and the other rebels into dust? (or perhaps turn the
: ground underneath the rebels into dust, or make buildings collapse on
: the rebels).
It can be surmised that the rebels were no slouches at magic themselves,
or they wouldn't have been able to get so close to Jadis. They must have
been able to stop themselves from being turned into dust, probably with
spells of protection. And from the fact that the Deplorable Word still
worked on them, we can deduce that one of the things that made it so
Deplorable is there is no defence against it.
: Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
: has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
: Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
: repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
: having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
: to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
: continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
The descendants would be hybrids with conventional apple trees. In a few
generations, the witch-repelling effect would probably be too weak to bother
Jadis.
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John Elliott <jce.DeleteThis@seasip.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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>: the tree because its odor is repellent to her (since she had
>: eaten an apple from its parent after having stolen it). Why
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Another possible speculation is that the permanent winter Jadis
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Mike
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> In this book, two kids named Digory and Polly use magic rings to travel
> from Earth, to the Wood Between The Worlds, and then to Charn, where
> Digory foolishly rings a bell that wakes up the evil witch Queen Jadis.
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> In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
> turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
> she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
> as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
> until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
> the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
> uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
> turn her sister and the other rebels into dust? (or perhaps turn the
> ground underneath the rebels into dust, or make buildings collapse on
> the rebels).
This assumes that Jadis was telling the truth.
> Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
> has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
> Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
> repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
> having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
> to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
> continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
Maybe the power to produce such a tree only persists for one generation.
Aslan said that his creative power would soon no longer work as it had
that day.
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Tim Bruening wrote:
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> Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
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> Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
> repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
> having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
> to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
> continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
At this point, there was so much magic, that anything planted would
grow and stay. That's why the lamp-post was there in Book 1, cuz in
this book, the Queen grabbed a bit from a lamp-post in England before
ending up in Narnia.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:00 pm
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>Maybe it only works for the first generation off spring from the tree of
>life?
Or maybe that's exactly what they did. We're never told the
circumstances under which the tree failed. Once the tree was out of
the way (in whatever manner), the endless winter may have been started
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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
> Bitstring <43B3A8CE.84C1B3E4 RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, from the wonderful
> person Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> said
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> >Digory foolishly rings a bell that wakes up the evil witch Queen Jadis.
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> >In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
> >turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
> >she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
> >as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
> >until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
> >the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
> >uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
> >turn her sister and the other rebels into dust? (or perhaps turn the
> >ground underneath the rebels into dust, or make buildings collapse on
> >the rebels).
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> Jadis ain't very bright. 8>.
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> >PP 75-76: Digory's uncle Andrew didn't like the sound of the creation
> >song the lion Aslan was singing, so when he saw that the singer was a
> >lion, he made himself believe that it was just roaring. He therefore
> >made himself incapable of hearing the speech of Aslan or any other
> >Talking Animal as anything but animal noises. No Talking Animal could
> >understand Andrew either! However, if Aslan had gone out of Andrew's
> >sight, assumed the form of an English gentleman, then walked up to
> >Andrew, would Andrew have then been able to understand Aslan? After
> >all, Andrew would be expecting an English gentleman to speak English!
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> Yes. But Aslan wouldn't do that sort of thing. he isn't a =TAME= lion,
> you see.
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> >Page 96: Digory plants an apple from a magic tree. PP 99-100: The apple
> >has sprouted into a tree that Aslan explains will protect Narnia from
> >Jadis for centuries. Jadis can't get near the tree because its odor is
> >repellent to her (since she had eaten an apple from its parent after
> >having stolen it). Why doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time
> >to time) plant seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
> >continue to protect Narnia when the old tree died?
>
> Maybe it only works for the first generation off spring from the tree of
> life?
Okay, Aslan, just send someone to that Western garden to fetch another apple
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"Lots42" <lots42.RemoveThis@gmail.com> writes:
> At this point, there was so much magic, that anything planted would
> grow and stay. That's why the lamp-post was there in Book 1, cuz in
> this book, the Queen grabbed a bit from a lamp-post in England before
> ending up in Narnia.
No, that is a retcon.
The lamppost was there in book 1, because Lewis figured it was a
quaint and fairy taleish thing to have out there.
--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o "All great epics come to an end. The Iliad. The
The RockBear. ((^)) Odyssey. War and Peace. Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
I speak only 0}._.{0 Just kidding. The Tolstoy book is a ringer.
for myself. O/ \O Doesn't belong on this list. Too literal.
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> John Elliott <jce.DeleteThis@seasip.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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> >: the tree because its odor is repellent to her (since she had
> >: eaten an apple from its parent after having stolen it). Why
> >: doesn't Aslan direct the Narnians to (from time to time) plant
> >: seeds from the Narnian tree to grow new trees that would
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> > trees. In a few
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> > weak to bother Jadis.
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> Another possible speculation is that the permanent winter Jadis
> learned to cause while in the North was directed precisely at
> overcoming the tree's protections and killing it (and/or making it
> impossible for replacements to grow).
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 01:13:50 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> >In this book, two kids named Digory and Polly use magic rings to travel
> >from Earth, to the Wood Between The Worlds, and then to Charn, where
> >Digory foolishly rings a bell that wakes up the evil witch Queen Jadis.
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> >In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), page 40 of large paperback, Jadis
> >turns some palace doors into dust. On pages 41-42, Jadis describes how
> >she used a Deplorable Word to kill everyone on her planet but herself,
> >as an absolute last resort. Jadis had refrained from using that Word
> >until rebels led by her sister had annihilated her army and marched up
> >the palace steps. Her rebel sister was right in her face before she
> >uttered the Word! Why didn't Jadis simply use her "dusting" spell to
> >turn her sister and the other rebels into dust?
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> Did Jadis say that the Word in question could be used in a restricted
> manner?
If Jadis could have used the Word in a restricted manner, I believe that she
would have done so, so as to still have living people to serve her! (She did
say that she used the Word only as a last resort, as the rebels closed in on
her). >> Stay informed about: The Magician's Nephew Spoilers |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:41 pm
Post subject: The Magician's Nephew Spoilers [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: mn>humor, others (more info?)
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In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), pages 41-42 of large paperback, Jadis
describes how she used a Deplorable Word (which kills everyone but the user)
to kill everyone on her planet but herself, as an absolute last resort (as
the rebels were about to wipe her out after having killed her entire army).
What would happen if two people used the Deplorable Word at the same time? >> Stay informed about: The Magician's Nephew Spoilers |
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Since: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 829
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:30 pm
Post subject: The Magician's Nephew Spoilers [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In Chapter 5 (The Deplorable Word), pages 41-42 of large paperback,
Jadis
describes how she used a Deplorable Word (which kills everyone but the
user)
to kill everyone on her planet but herself, as an absolute last resort
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the rebels were about to wipe her out after having killed her entire
army).
What would happen if two people used the Deplorable Word at the same
time? >> Stay informed about: The Magician's Nephew Spoilers |
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