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Since: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 829
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:06 pm
Post subject: Marital Status Of Professor Digory Archived from groups: alt>books>cs-lewis, others (more info?)
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The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe: The old professor in the house
with the magic wardrobe is described thusly "He had no wife and he lived
in a large house with a housekeeper called Mrs. Macready".
The Magician's Nephew: The Professor is revealed to be named Digory.
When he was a boy, he and a girl named Polly visited Narnia, and
inadvertently brought the White Witch to Narnia. After Digory returned
to Earth, he planted a magic apple tree in his garden. Later, the tree
got blown down and was used to construct a wardrobe (the one the kids
used) in his house in the country. He and Polly were always great
friends after their Narnia adventure, and she visited him at the country
house nearly every holiday. I therefore expected that they would get
married (so why isn't she married to him and with him at the house in
LWW?).
The Last Battle: King Tirian sees the 7 friends of Narnia in a vision at
a table. Two of them are Digory and Polly, now elderly. This
eliminates the possibility of Digory and Polly getting married and Polly
dying sometime before LWW. They might have married and later divorced,
but I doubt that Lewis would go for that, since he is a devout Christian
writing a Christian allegory, and he says that Digory and Polly were
always great friends. People who get divorced are rarely "great
friends". I must therefore conclude that they somehow never got married
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Since: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:25 am
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Since: Oct 06, 2004 Posts: 74
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:26 am
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:
> I must therefore conclude that they somehow never got married
> to each other,
Why such a long road to this conclusion? Nobody but you claimed that
they should have been married in the first place.
I have numerous female friends. Even if I should marry one of them at
some future time - which I have no reason to suspect - I will still
have a number of female friends to whom I am not married.
> and wonder why.
Maybe they were never in love? Maybe both were to shy to suggest it?
Maybe it just never came up.
--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o "I'm not ignoring any facts.
The RockBear. ((^)) I'm simply ignoring you.
I speak only 0}._.{0 Slight difference."
for myself. O/ \O -jms >> Stay informed about: Marital Status Of Professor Digory |
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Since: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 829
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:26 am
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"Peter B. Juul" wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:
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> > I must therefore conclude that they somehow never got married
> > to each other,
>
> Why such a long road to this conclusion? Nobody but you claimed that
> they should have been married in the first place.
Polly seems to have been closer to Digory than any other woman who wasn't
his mother! She stayed with him every holiday at his country estate. I
therefore figured that they would get married, until I read the start of
LWW which stated that the professor had no wife. >> Stay informed about: Marital Status Of Professor Digory |
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Since: Dec 11, 2005 Posts: 34
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:03 am
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In article <1136370310.636590.197240 RemoveThis @g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
William <williamquill RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>But still, I think it's a bit silly to presume that a boy and a girl
>who are close will end up getting married. Do you presume that the same
>would have happened with Jill and Eustace had they lived on earth
>longer?
But they make such a cute couple...
--
Please reply to: | "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is
pciszek at panix dot com | indistinguishable from malice."
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Since: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 829
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:41 am
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William wrote:
> But still, I think it's a bit silly to presume that a boy and a girl
> who are close will end up getting married. Do you presume that the same
> would have happened with Jill and Eustace had they lived on earth
> longer?
That possibilty has crossed my mind.
If they do happen to fall in love in Heaven, would Aslan have the authority
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Since: Oct 06, 2004 Posts: 74
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:10 am
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:
> If they do happen to fall in love in Heaven, would Aslan have the authority
> to marry them?
You need to study Lewis' view on Love and Heaven before asking such a
question.
--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o "All great epics come to an end. The Iliad. The
The RockBear. ((^)) Odyssey. War and Peace. Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
I speak only 0}._.{0 Just kidding. The Tolstoy book is a ringer.
for myself. O/ \O Doesn't belong on this list. Too literal.
Not enough monsters." - New York Newsday >> Stay informed about: Marital Status Of Professor Digory |
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Since: Jun 25, 2005 Posts: 83
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:10 am
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:28 pm
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Bree <bree DeleteThis @bree.com> writes:
> >You need to study Lewis' view on Love and Heaven before asking such a
> >question.
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> Any particular book?
The book that flashed before my inner eye as I wrote the above was
"The Great Divorce". There may be something more appropriate on Love,
but hardly on Heaven.
--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o "Well," said Aslan, "I suppose we could try lasers."
The RockBear. ((^))
I speak only 0}._.{0
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Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 15
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:11 pm
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>The simple answer is this: When Lewis invented the old Professor in LWW
>(whose name we never learn in that book)
Not only that, we never learn the kid's names either. The name
Pevensie isn't mentioned until the first chapter of Dawn Treader.
>he had no idea that the same
>character would turn up as a boy five books later. He just made him the
>quintessential old bachelor scholar. The fact that Digory Kirke is the
>same person possibly was an afterthought that did not occur to him until
>he had written the better part of MN.
>Another argument, by the way, for reading the books in the order of
>publication.
No argument there. I made a similar point in an e-mail to Douglas
Gresham years back, that the books lost something when read in
chronological order, and that there was nothing particularly impressive
about Digory believing Lucy's story if you'd just read a book showing
you that he knew for a fact that Narnia existed. He replied back with
the same fact, that Lewis didn't know what would happen in later books
when he wrote it, which is true, but misses the point of why The
Magician's Nephew works much better as a flashback.
Now, one thing I hate to suggest, but which one could argue, is that
Digory really was married to Polly all along, and the first book gets
it wrong.
The Narnia books are supposedly written from by Lewis from accounts
told to him by the Pevensies, whom he had supposedly met. This is a
very subtle point, but there are the occasional hints of it. Such as
at the end of Dawn Treader:
>Lucy could only say "It would break your heart." "Why," said I, "was it so sad?" "Sad!! No," said Lucy.
If Lewis, the narrator, wrote the books from accounts given to him by
the Pevensies themselves, one could argue that the Pevensies got it
wrong, and simply assumed that Digory had no wife since none was in
evidence. Maybe he had one and she was away.
That's a pretty cheesy ploy, involving, as it does, arguing that the
book means the exact opposite of what it says, but it is possible. >> Stay informed about: Marital Status Of Professor Digory |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:22 pm
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Paul Ciszek wrote:
> In article <1136370310.636590.197240.RemoveThis@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> William <williamquill.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >But still, I think it's a bit silly to presume that a boy and a girl
> >who are close will end up getting married. Do you presume that the same
> >would have happened with Jill and Eustace had they lived on earth
> >longer?
>
> But they make such a cute couple...
Hypothetical couples in Narnia: Susan/Corin and Lucy/Tumnus. >> Stay informed about: Marital Status Of Professor Digory |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:24 pm
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Dan Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:41:16 UTC, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > William wrote:
> >
> > > But still, I think it's a bit silly to presume that a boy and a girl
> > > who are close will end up getting married. Do you presume that the same
> > > would have happened with Jill and Eustace had they lived on earth
> > > longer?
> > That possibilty has crossed my mind.
> >
> > If they do happen to fall in love in Heaven, would Aslan have the authority
> > to marry them?
>
> Mark 12:25: For when they shall rise from
> the dead, they neither marry, nor are
> given in marriage; but are as the
> angels which are in heaven.
>
> which doesn't make it look like a question of authority.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:24 pm
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Graeme wrote:
> >The simple answer is this: When Lewis invented the old Professor in LWW
> >(whose name we never learn in that book)
>
> Not only that, we never learn the kid's names either. The name
> Pevensie isn't mentioned until the first chapter of Dawn Treader.
>
> >he had no idea that the same
> >character would turn up as a boy five books later. He just made him the
> >quintessential old bachelor scholar. The fact that Digory Kirke is the
> >same person possibly was an afterthought that did not occur to him until
> >he had written the better part of MN.
>
> >Another argument, by the way, for reading the books in the order of
> >publication.
>
> No argument there. I made a similar point in an e-mail to Douglas
> Gresham years back, that the books lost something when read in
> chronological order, and that there was nothing particularly impressive
> about Digory believing Lucy's story if you'd just read a book showing
> you that he knew for a fact that Narnia existed. He replied back with
> the same fact, that Lewis didn't know what would happen in later books
> when he wrote it, which is true, but misses the point of why The
> Magician's Nephew works much better as a flashback.
>
> Now, one thing I hate to suggest, but which one could argue, is that
> Digory really was married to Polly all along, and the first book gets
> it wrong.
>
> The Narnia books are supposedly written from by Lewis from accounts
> told to him by the Pevensies, whom he had supposedly met. This is a
> very subtle point, but there are the occasional hints of it. Such as
> at the end of Dawn Treader:
>
> >Lucy could only say "It would break your heart." "Why," said I, "was it so sad?" "Sad!! No," said Lucy.
>
> If Lewis, the narrator, wrote the books from accounts given to him by
> the Pevensies themselves, one could argue that the Pevensies got it
> wrong, and simply assumed that Digory had no wife since none was in
> evidence. Maybe he had one and she was away.
>
> That's a pretty cheesy ploy, involving, as it does, arguing that the
> book means the exact opposite of what it says, but it is possible.
How were Peter, Edmund, and Lucy able to tell Lewis about what they did in "The Last Battle", since they never
came back to Earth from their final mission? >> Stay informed about: Marital Status Of Professor Digory |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:19 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:50 pm
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Tim Bruening wrote:
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> Dan Drake wrote:
>>Mark 12:25: For when they shall rise from
>>the dead, they neither marry, nor are
>>given in marriage; but are as the
>>angels which are in heaven.
>>
>>which doesn't make it look like a question of authority.
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> What good is Heaven if you're not allowed to get married there?
What good is growing up if your parents aren't going to take care
of your every need any more?
--
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