Medical technology

pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Offbreed <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>

>> And a lot of people in Chicago are saying, "Whaaat! /Where'd/ she come
>> from?"
>
> I doubt it. I doubt very many people in Chicago even knew she was
> there, let alone that she left.

Exactly. "Someone from /where/ did /what/?"

Along with "You mean there are people living in caves and stuff
underground?"
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deowll wrote:
> "pyotr filipivich" <phamp RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>> Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but "deowll" <deowll RemoveThis @bellsouth.net>
>> wrote on Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:12:01 -0600 in alt.books.david-weber :
>>>> So, it is possible for Manticore to turn the use of Mesan nanotech back
>>>> on Mesa, just perhaps not with the same finesse that Beowulf would do.
>>>> In
>>>> a sense, Manticore is to Beowulf in bio-tech, as Haven is to Manticore
>>>> in
>>>> engineering: will just have to use a bigger hammer to overcome their
>>>> disadvantages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> tschus
>>> First people have to learn about the nano tech trick. At the point a lot
>>> of
>>> people are going to want to do something a lot less indirect than play
>>> around with nano tech.
>> Yeah, I can see it now:
>>
>> "Okay, now we are going to test your nanotech's ability to moderate
>> pain. Prepare the baseball bat!"
>>
>> Somehow, I suspect that Anton & Victor can do bad cop, worse cop real,
>> real well. "Are you going to come quietly, or will I need earplugs?"
>
> Both could get brutal. Everybody that knows him is afraid of how brutal one
> of these can get.

Nah, Anton can get brutal. Victor just gets ice-cold blooded. No
matter how rough-and-rowdy Captain Zilwicki ever cares to get, he still
can't just "turn off" his conscience like The Inquisitor seems to,
although he also seems to lack the after-action emotional breakdown that
Victor had in "The Fanatic"

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:59:52 -0600, "deowll" <deowll RemoveThis @bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>>>HH is noted wondering why a certain crew member doesn't get a biosculpt.
>>>Not
>>>cheap but seemingly affordable.
>>
>> But that's not change at the nannite level like was done in Crown of
>> Slaves. That's expen$$$ive.
>
>You are using the same tech to get the same outcome; a change in appearance.
>The more you want to change the more money it costs. This is normal.

It's also a matter of whether you are only changing surface stuff or
deeper stuff. There's a *BIG* difference in just messing with skin
and fat and this sort of surgery where they also messed with bones and
nerves.
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"Loren Pechtel" <lorenpechtel DeleteThis @hotmail.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:59:52 -0600, "deowll" <deowll DeleteThis @bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>>HH is noted wondering why a certain crew member doesn't get a biosculpt.
>>>>Not
>>>>cheap but seemingly affordable.
>>>
>>> But that's not change at the nannite level like was done in Crown of
>>> Slaves. That's expen$$$ive.
>>
>>You are using the same tech to get the same outcome; a change in
>>appearance.
>>The more you want to change the more money it costs. This is normal.
>
> It's also a matter of whether you are only changing surface stuff or
> deeper stuff. There's a *BIG* difference in just messing with skin
> and fat and this sort of surgery where they also messed with bones and
> nerves.

He had big brow ridges.
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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Offbreed <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote on Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:34:16 -0800 in alt.books.david-weber :
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Offbreed <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
>
>>> And a lot of people in Chicago are saying, "Whaaat! /Where'd/ she come
>>> from?"
>>
>> I doubt it. I doubt very many people in Chicago even knew she was
>> there, let alone that she left.
>
>Exactly. "Someone from /where/ did /what/?"
>
>Along with "You mean there are people living in caves and stuff
>underground?"

I'm sure there are some clueless bleeding hearts who will be dismayed
that there are such places. And no doubt there will be those who will view
Torch as the sort of cracker circus with delusions of rising to neo-barb
status some day. "I mean, just look at what they chose for a "queen" -
some alley rat girl from The Loop. She's the best of the lot, at least she
from Earth, but really, making a slip of a girl 'queen'?"

tschus
pyotr

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a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the
denying person knows the truth on some level." LTC Grossman.
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pyotr filipivich schrieb:
> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there could
> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years, and
> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they might
> even have regularized the spelling.

Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're
talking about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that
short a time? ;o)
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"Kiwaiti" <spam.RemoveThis@kiwaiti.de> wrote in message news:eor4b1$321$1@online.de...
> pyotr filipivich schrieb:
>> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
>> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there
>> could
>> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years, and
>> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they might
>> even have regularized the spelling.
>
> Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're talking
> about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that short a time? ;o)

Any government that wanted to. It isn't any harder than changing to metric
and every nation on earth execpt the U.S. has done it.


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Okay, so I'm late and catching up, but Kiwaiti <spam.RemoveThis@kiwaiti.de> wrote on
Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:57:44 +0100 in alt.books.david-weber :
>pyotr filipivich schrieb:
>> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
>> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there could
>> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years, and
>> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they might
>> even have regularized the spelling.
>
>Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're
>talking about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that
>short a time? ;o)

I can see a "cult" recruiting like minded individuals, and then taking
cold sleep off to some distant planet, where the regularized spelling will
be in use by fiat. Unfortunately, they will be dominated by poets, English
& Linguistics Majors, and writers, with not enough technicians who can keep
the population alive.

tschus
pyotr
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chosen at random would probably designate an agency or part of a
department that could be profitably abolished." Milton Freidman
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deowll wrote:
> "Kiwaiti" <spam.TakeThisOut@kiwaiti.de> wrote in message news:eor4b1$321$1@online.de...
>> pyotr filipivich schrieb:
>>> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
>>> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there
>>> could
>>> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years, and
>>> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they might
>>> even have regularized the spelling.
>> Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're talking
>> about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that short a time? ;o)
>
> Any government that wanted to. It isn't any harder than changing to metric
> and every nation on earth execpt the U.S. has done it.

Right, and yet, we're still the most powerful nation on Earth. Seems
to have worked out really well for every other nation, doesn't it? :*D

And it would be a lot harder than merely having your nation switch to
Metric. You'd have to get every OTHER nation to speak English YOUR way,
when every one of them knows that THEIR way is correct.

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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:19:40 -0600, "deowll" <deowll.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>Any government that wanted to. It isn't any harder than changing to metric
>and every nation on earth execpt the U.S. has done it.
>

there are two other countries well more like pestholes that have not
converted to metric. myanmar aka burma and a country in west africa.
american industry is working more and more in metric measure. the car
industry for instance runs on software that uses english measure
hardware specced in metric like 12.7mm bolts etc.
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"Jeffrey MacHott" <Raguleader.RemoveThis@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> deowll wrote:
>> "Kiwaiti" <spam.RemoveThis@kiwaiti.de> wrote in message
>> news:eor4b1$321$1@online.de...
>>> pyotr filipivich schrieb:
>>>> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
>>>> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there
>>>> could
>>>> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years,
>>>> and
>>>> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they
>>>> might
>>>> even have regularized the spelling.
>>> Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're talking
>>> about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that short a time?
>>> ;o)
>>
>> Any government that wanted to. It isn't any harder than changing to
>> metric and every nation on earth execpt the U.S. has done it.
>
> Right, and yet, we're still the most powerful nation on Earth. Seems to
> have worked out really well for every other nation, doesn't it? :*D

Many nations have had that honor for a time.

>
> And it would be a lot harder than merely having your nation switch to
> Metric. You'd have to get every OTHER nation to speak English YOUR way,
> when every one of them knows that THEIR way is correct.
>
> --
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>
> "Sola bona lingua est mortua lingua"
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deowll wrote:
> "Jeffrey MacHott" <Raguleader.DeleteThis@netzero.net> wrote in message
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>> deowll wrote:
>>> "Kiwaiti" <spam.DeleteThis@kiwaiti.de> wrote in message
>>> news:eor4b1$321$1@online.de...
>>>> pyotr filipivich schrieb:
>>>>> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
>>>>> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there
>>>>> could
>>>>> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years,
>>>>> and
>>>>> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they
>>>>> might
>>>>> even have regularized the spelling.
>>>> Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're talking
>>>> about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that short a time?
>>>> ;o)
>>> Any government that wanted to. It isn't any harder than changing to
>>> metric and every nation on earth execpt the U.S. has done it.
>> Right, and yet, we're still the most powerful nation on Earth. Seems to
>> have worked out really well for every other nation, doesn't it? :*D
>
> Many nations have had that honor for a time.

True, but I don't see Greece on the fast track to becoming a world power
again. The US can afford to hang out in the old system BECAUSE we're
the big dog on the playground. As it is, we're slowly making the
transition, but also have to deal with a great deal of inertia, due to
many older things still in use using English measurements instead of
metric.

The US military, for example, now uses weapons mostly chambered in
metric measurements (albeit weird fractional ones, like 5.56mm). That
said, I've never heard of anyone calling the M2 machine guns "12.7's",
since they always have been, and likely always will be, ".50 Cal" or
"Fifties".

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deowll wrote:
> "Kiwaiti" <spam.RemoveThis@kiwaiti.de> wrote in message news:eor4b1$321$1@online.de...
> > pyotr filipivich schrieb:

> >> There is also an element of translating 41st Century terms, paradigms
> >> and expressions into the 20th century idiom. For all we know, there
> >> could
> >> have been a Great Vowel Shift or two in the next five hundred years, and
> >> "English" no longer sounds like what we'd expect. Who knows, they might
> >> even have regularized the spelling.
>
> > Now you're pushing it - that's no more than 2 millennia you're talking
> > about - who's gonna regularize english spelling in that short a time? ;o)
>
> Any government that wanted to. It isn't any harder than changing to metric
> and every nation on earth execpt the U.S. has done it.

Why *hasn't* English spelling been regularized a long time ago?

Noah Webster managed to remove a few of the worst excesses of English
spelling from American spelling - and he was just a private
individual.

But metrication required a degree of coercive action from government,
and it was somewhat unpopular. In Australia and Britain, at least, it
could be argued that trade - with Europe for Britain, with Pacific Rim
nations for Australia - made metrication imperative.

For *Canada*, metrication was more controversial, since it was seen to
be linked with a political agenda aimed at causing Canada to look less
towards the United States and more towards Europe. Our trade is
overwhelmingly with the U.S., so why do we need to go metric? We could
have waited until the *U.S.* went metric to follow along (with less
kicking and screaming).

The government might have an excuse to push people around on English
spelling if the difficulty of spelling English was leading to vast
numbers of illiterates. Unfortunately (well, for this particular
project), all the English-speaking countries of the world are just
about as wealthy as Japan. And if Japan hasn't seriously considered
dumping the use of Chinese characters, what chance do we have?

What good is a baroque spelling system?

Well, words would be slightly longer when spelled phonetically on
average.

They would look less "dignified".

*And* it would be harder to spot phonies claiming to have had more
formal education than they actually did through their bad spelling.
That's probably the main reason China and Japan haven't given up their
much *more* painful writing systems *as well*. (And if you keep the
intelligent people busy grinding away getting an education, they have
less time to plot revolutions!)

Now that we're giving up teaching spelling, punctuation, and grammar
in the schools, though, maybe the time for simplified spelling for
English has at last come!

John Savard
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