X-Men: The End #3 (minor spoiler)

DESSCRIBE1 wrote:
 > One thing that stood out for me in this issue...
 >
 > Even taking into account that we're getting a translation from the Shi'ar,
 > "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean, how can you
 > take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?

1. It's not a codename.
2. In English, it's a colour.
3. She is/was a very good character.
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Johanna Draper Carlson <johannaNOSPAM.RemoveThis@comicsworthreading.com> wrote in message news:<johannaNOSPAM-D8AFE7.19570309092004.RemoveThis@individual.net>...
 > desscribe1.RemoveThis@aol.com (DESSCRIBE1) wrote:
 >
  > > "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean, how can you
  > > take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?
 >
 > Has someone been reading manga? They're full of kick-butt women named
 > things like Vanilla and Mint.

To say nothing of _Saber Marionette's_ cast: Lime, Bloodberry, and,
er...Cherry.^^

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In article <johannaNOSPAM-D8AFE7.19570309092004 DeleteThis @individual.net>,
johannaNOSPAM DeleteThis @comicsworthreading.com says...
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 > desscribe1 DeleteThis @aol.com (DESSCRIBE1) wrote:
 >
  >> "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean,
  >> how can you
  >> take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?
 >
 >Has someone been reading manga? They're full of kick-butt women
 >named
 >things like Vanilla and Mint.

Don't forget Belldandy and Shampoo...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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 > DESSCRIBE1 wrote:
  > > One thing that stood out for me in this issue...
  > >
  > > Even taking into account that we're getting a translation from the
Shi'ar,
  > > "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean, how can
you
  > > take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?
 >
 > 1. It's not a codename.
 > 2. In English, it's a colour.

But wouldn't said colour probably be derived from the French word for
cherry? As in cherry red? Quick look through my Webster's Compact
Dictionary... according to them, yes! Either way it's a moot point, because
Cerise is her real name, and thus it's Shi'ar. I just wanted to show off.

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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:27:12 -0400, Chris Lee <clee2 DeleteThis @envirolink.org>
wrote:

 >In article <johannaNOSPAM-D8AFE7.19570309092004 DeleteThis @individual.net>,
 >johannaNOSPAM@comicsworthreading.com says...

  >> desscribe1 DeleteThis @aol.com (DESSCRIBE1) wrote:

   >>> "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean,
   >>> how can you
   >>> take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?

  >>Has someone been reading manga? They're full of kick-butt women
  >>named
  >>things like Vanilla and Mint.

 >Don't forget Belldandy and Shampoo...

Isn't Belldandy's name a (purposeful) corruption of
Verthandi/Verdandi's - one of the Norns of Norse mythology?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Nathan P. Mahney wrote:
   >>> One thing that stood out for me in this issue...
   >>>
   >>> Even taking into account that we're getting a translation from the
   >>> Shi'ar, "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I
   >>> mean, how can you take her seriously as a warrior when her
   >>> name means "Cherry"?
  >>
  >> 1. It's not a codename.
  >> 2. In English, it's a colour.
 >
 > But wouldn't said colour probably be derived from the French word for
 > cherry? As in cherry red?

Sure, but I don't speak French regularly, and nor do most of the readers, I'd
wager.
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CleV wrote:
 > On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:27:12 -0400, Chris Lee <clee2.DeleteThis@envirolink.org>
 > wrote:
 >
  >> In article <johannaNOSPAM-D8AFE7.19570309092004.DeleteThis@individual.net>,
  >> johannaNOSPAM.DeleteThis@comicsworthreading.com says...
 >
   >>> desscribe1.DeleteThis@aol.com (DESSCRIBE1) wrote:
 >
   >>>> "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean,
   >>>> how can you
   >>>> take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?
 >
   >>> Has someone been reading manga? They're full of kick-butt women
   >>> named
   >>> things like Vanilla and Mint.
 >
  >> Don't forget Belldandy and Shampoo...
 >
 > Isn't Belldandy's name a (purposeful) corruption of
 > Verthandi/Verdandi's - one of the Norns of Norse mythology?

Yup, they're all named after the Norns (Verdandi, Urd and Skuld) but
there's no difference in B/V and L/R in Japanese transliteration so
Verdandi could also be Berdandi, Beldandi or Veldandi. They creator was
asked which was prefereable and Belldandy was the chosen one.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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In article <41420b66.3693164.TakeThisOut@news.hispeed.ch>, clJUNKv1.TakeThisOut@balcab.ch says...
 >
 >
 >On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:27:12 -0400, Chris Lee <clee2.TakeThisOut@envirolink.org>
 >wrote:
 >
  >>In article <johannaNOSPAM-D8AFE7.19570309092004.TakeThisOut@individual.net>,
  >>johannaNOSPAM@comicsworthreading.com says...
 >
   >>> desscribe1.TakeThisOut@aol.com (DESSCRIBE1) wrote:
 >
   >>>> "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean,
   >>>> how can you
   >>>> take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?
 >
   >>>Has someone been reading manga? They're full of kick-butt women
   >>>named
   >>>things like Vanilla and Mint.
 >
  >>Don't forget Belldandy and Shampoo...
 >
 >Isn't Belldandy's name a (purposeful) corruption of
 >Verthandi/Verdandi's - one of the Norns of Norse mythology?

As it was explained to me, it has more to with translation
problems of English/Western languages to Japanese.

Some sounds in western languages don't translate/tranfer very well
into Japanese.

It seems Verthandi/Verdandi/Belldandy is an example of this.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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The Black Guardian <blakgard.DeleteThis@aol.coma.org> wrote:
: DESSCRIBE1 wrote:
: > One thing that stood out for me in this issue...
: >
: > Even taking into account that we're getting a translation from the Shi'ar,
: > "Cerise" is one of the worst code-names I've ever read. I mean, how can you
: > take her seriously as a warrior when her name means "Cherry"?

: 1. It's not a codename.
: 2. In English, it's a colour.
: 3. She is/was a very good character.

I liked her, especially when Davis was writing her.

Shawn
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Nathan P. Mahney <nmahney RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

: But wouldn't said colour probably be derived from the French word for
: cherry? As in cherry red? Quick look through my Webster's Compact
: Dictionary... according to them, yes! Either way it's a moot point, because
: Cerise is her real name, and thus it's Shi'ar. I just wanted to show off.

Was she always Shi'ar? Even from her debut in Excalibur? I don't remember
that part.

Shawn
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Shawn H wrote:
 > Nathan P. Mahney <nmahney.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
  >> But wouldn't said colour probably be derived from the French word for
  >> cherry? As in cherry red? Quick look through my Webster's Compact
  >> Dictionary... according to them, yes! Either way it's a moot point,
  >> because Cerise is her real name, and thus it's Shi'ar. I just
  >> wanted to show off.
 >
 > Was she always Shi'ar? Even from her debut in Excalibur? I don't
 > remember that part.

She was definitevly NOT in any way linked to the Shi'ar until after Davis
left the book. She was simply an alien wanderer from further away (in space,
possibly time and dimension) than even she knew.

I always loved her intro where she materialises in a room filled with
Nightcrawler and the N-Men, rhe removes her helmet and asks "Which of you
most resembles the dominant species of this planet?"

Kurt (Blue fur, three fingered hands, pointy tail) looks round at the others
in the room; werewolf-y Ferro-2, snakelike China Doll, faceless Ringtoss,
squidlike Waxwork and whatever the heck Bodybag looks like... After a
moments thought Kirt replies "Actually... that would be you."<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Shawn H <shill#@fas.harvard.edu> wrote in
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 > Nathan P. Mahney <nmahney DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >: But wouldn't said colour probably be derived from the French word for
 >: cherry? As in cherry red? Quick look through my Webster's Compact
 >: Dictionary... according to them, yes! Either way it's a moot point,
 >: because Cerise is her real name, and thus it's Shi'ar. I just wanted
 >: to show off.
 >
 > Was she always Shi'ar? Even from her debut in Excalibur? I don't
 > remember that part.

Yes, she was always Shi'ar. She's got the feathery hair and
everything!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

: > Was she always Shi'ar? Even from her debut in Excalibur? I don't
: > remember that part.

: Yes, she was always Shi'ar. She's got the feathery hair and
: everything!

I'm gonna go dig up those issues, but I think that is just coincidence.

Shawn
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