So, the X-Men are where, now?

On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 17:25:21 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
wrote:

>Just read Ellis' first issue of X-Men...and the X-Men are operating
>out of San Francisco? There's actually some decent history there, as
>they seemed to fit in rather well when they all crashed at Jessica
>Drew's awhile back. Hopefully, like that character herself did, the
>stories will play up the "traditional weirdness" factor a bit (the
>talk with the cops encourages this take).
>
>But who is this person/group now funding the X-Men? Why and how? What
>do we know about it/them? And what exactly is the team's mission
>statement, now?

The most recent arc in Uncanny ends with the X-Men deciding to set up
shop in San Francisco but the full details of the new status quo won't
be revealed until Uncanny #500 comes out...and, according to recent
issues of Uncanny, Cyclops has some kind of secret plan for the next
phase with the X-Men...but it's yet to be revealed.

>
>Incidentally, I still say Cyclops is a Skrull. Why does he need to
>send the Young X-Men to kill the original New Mutants, when he's
>already got X-Force for missions like that?
>
>Dex

I don't think Cyclops is a Skrull...I think he's being impersonated by
someone in Young X-Men...if for no other reason than he's working out
of the ruined mansion there and other books show that no one is still
at the mansion...but I don't think it's a Skrull...I highly doubt
there will be any significant Skrull impostors beyond the Avengers
teams...if there were, they would be dealing with Secret Invasion in
the main books instead of shoving it off on some tie-in mini series
like most other Marvel books are doing.
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"Hand-of-Omega" wrote in message

> On Jul 4, 10:57 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
>>
>> I don't think Cyclops is a Skrull...I think he's being impersonated by
>> someone in Young X-Men...if for no other reason than he's working out
>> of the ruined mansion there and other books show that no one is still
>> at the mansion...but I don't think it's a Skrull...I highly doubt
>> there will be any significant Skrull impostors beyond the Avengers
>> teams...if there were, they would be dealing with Secret Invasion in
>> the main books instead of shoving it off on some tie-in mini series
>> like most other Marvel books are doing.
>
> IIRC, we were told that every team, Avengers or otherwise, has at
> least one Skrull imposter. And I don't really see why the X-Men should
> be exempt.

Two things:
1. The X-Men had their Skrull imposter years ago (revealed in Alan Moore's
Twelve storyline) - it was Wolverine.
2. The Secret Invasion: Who Do You Trust pointed to Beast being the imposter
(where exactly they would put the changeover point, I don't know, as it's
the bouncing blue Beast not really seen since before X-Factor started). Now,
given we had a Beast being replaced story years ago (Black Beast at that
point), it would be a bit daft, however, this is primarily an Avengers
story, so he's the logical choice.

> Besides, if you're gonna have him be an imposter, then why
> not tie it into the "alien imposter" story going in most other books?
>
Because the Cyclops in Young X-Men is a really bad impersonation.

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Hand-of-Omega wrote in
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> IIRC, we were told that every team, Avengers or otherwise, has at
> least one Skrull imposter. And I don't really see why the X-Men should
> be exempt.

The X-books are only loosely connected to the main Universe books
as is. Throwing in a Skrull imposter is pretty pointless when the
X-Men haven't even been a factor in the main universe, and half the
time seem to be set in a parallel universe anyway.
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:55:30 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
wrote:

>On Jul 4, 10:57 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
>>
>> I don't think Cyclops is a Skrull...I think he's being impersonated by
>> someone in Young X-Men...if for no other reason than he's working out
>> of the ruined mansion there and other books show that no one is still
>> at the mansion...but I don't think it's a Skrull...I highly doubt
>> there will be any significant Skrull impostors beyond the Avengers
>> teams...if there were, they would be dealing with Secret Invasion in
>> the main books instead of shoving it off on some tie-in mini series
>> like most other Marvel books are doing.
>
>IIRC, we were told that every team, Avengers or otherwise, has at
>least one Skrull imposter. And I don't really see why the X-Men should
>be exempt. Besides, if you're gonna have him be an imposter, then why
>not tie it into the "alien imposter" story going in most other books?
>
>Dex

When were we told there was a Skrull on every team? The FF didn't
have one...Lyja walking in off the street and turning into Sue for a
couple minutes does not count as a long-term infiltration. Secret
Invasion is an Avengers event...that's all it was ever meant to
be...then they decided to expand it to the rest of the Marvel Universe
and that's why we have so many tie-in mini series to put everyone else
into the story...if there is a Skrull in the X-Men, it's not going to
be Cyclops because that would be a total game-changer for the X-Men
(since he's pretty much entirely responsible for the new direction and
status quo that are just now setting up)...something that would
probably make it into the main x-books, don't you think? I don't
think there is a Skrull but, if there is, Emma or Beast are most
likely since they (or Skrulls looking like them) were on the ship at
the end of SI #1. Also, the Young X-Men's Cyclops is OBVIOUSLY an
imposter...the whole point with the Skrulls is we're not supposed to
see it coming.
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grinningdemon wrote in

> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
> wrote:
>>On Jul 5, 10:59 pm, grinningdemon wrote:

>>> I don't
>>> think there is a Skrull but, if there is, Emma or Beast are most
>>> likely since they (or Skrulls looking like them) were on the ship at
>>> the end of SI #1. Also, the Young X-Men's Cyclops is OBVIOUSLY an
>>> imposter...the whole point with the Skrulls is we're not supposed to
>>> see it coming.
>>
>>Wouldn't the Emma on the ship still have to be a villain?
>
> Who knows? As I said, I doubt there is a Skrull...or, if there is,
> it's probably not anyone prominent...maybe a student or something
> along those lines.

Unless someone at Marvel is ready to undo Scott/Emma in order to
prep for a return to Scott/Jean, as making one of them a Skrull is
an easy "blameless" to remove their marriage. (As opposed to how
Scott/Madeline was handled.)
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:49:44 -0500, Billy Bissette
wrote:

>grinningdemon wrote in
>
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>> wrote:
>>>On Jul 5, 10:59 pm, grinningdemon wrote:
>
>>>> I don't
>>>> think there is a Skrull but, if there is, Emma or Beast are most
>>>> likely since they (or Skrulls looking like them) were on the ship at
>>>> the end of SI #1. Also, the Young X-Men's Cyclops is OBVIOUSLY an
>>>> imposter...the whole point with the Skrulls is we're not supposed to
>>>> see it coming.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't the Emma on the ship still have to be a villain?
>>
>> Who knows? As I said, I doubt there is a Skrull...or, if there is,
>> it's probably not anyone prominent...maybe a student or something
>> along those lines.
>
> Unless someone at Marvel is ready to undo Scott/Emma in order to
>prep for a return to Scott/Jean, as making one of them a Skrull is
>an easy "blameless" to remove their marriage. (As opposed to how
>Scott/Madeline was handled.)

Last I checked, Scott and Emma weren't married. As for a return of
Scott/Jean, I doubt that's going to happen as long as she's an
infant...most fans seem pretty happy with Scott/Emma so I doubt
they'll toss it out quite yet.
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grinningdemon wrote in


> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:49:44 -0500, Billy Bissette
> wrote:
>
>>grinningdemon wrote in
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>>> wrote:
>>>>On Jul 5, 10:59 pm, grinningdemon
wrote:
>>
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> think there is a Skrull but, if there is, Emma or Beast are most
>>>>> likely since they (or Skrulls looking like them) were on the ship
at
>>>>> the end of SI #1. Also, the Young X-Men's Cyclops is OBVIOUSLY an
>>>>> imposter...the whole point with the Skrulls is we're not supposed
to
>>>>> see it coming.
>>>>
>>>>Wouldn't the Emma on the ship still have to be a villain?
>>>
>>> Who knows? As I said, I doubt there is a Skrull...or, if there is,
>>> it's probably not anyone prominent...maybe a student or something
>>> along those lines.
>>
>> Unless someone at Marvel is ready to undo Scott/Emma in order to
>>prep for a return to Scott/Jean, as making one of them a Skrull is
>>an easy "blameless" to remove their marriage. (As opposed to how
>>Scott/Madeline was handled.)
>
> Last I checked, Scott and Emma weren't married. As for a return of
> Scott/Jean, I doubt that's going to happen as long as she's an
> infant...most fans seem pretty happy with Scott/Emma so I doubt
> they'll toss it out quite yet.

Time-travelling infant. Could easily come back from the future
as an adult. Or Marvel could just suddenly say all the hints that
the baby was Jean were false, that the kid was someone else, and
have Jean come back some other way.

Most fans may be happy with Scott/Emma, but the happiness of
fans isn't enough to stop Marvel (or DC for that matter).


I don't think Marvel will reverse it quite yet, but the
possibility is there. And either Scott or Emma being a Skrull
really should have an impact on their relationship.
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:15:20 -0500, Billy Bissette
wrote:

>grinningdemon wrote in
>
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:49:44 -0500, Billy Bissette
>> wrote:
>>
>>>grinningdemon wrote in
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On Jul 5, 10:59 pm, grinningdemon
>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>> think there is a Skrull but, if there is, Emma or Beast are most
>>>>>> likely since they (or Skrulls looking like them) were on the ship
>at
>>>>>> the end of SI #1. Also, the Young X-Men's Cyclops is OBVIOUSLY an
>>>>>> imposter...the whole point with the Skrulls is we're not supposed
>to
>>>>>> see it coming.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wouldn't the Emma on the ship still have to be a villain?
>>>>
>>>> Who knows? As I said, I doubt there is a Skrull...or, if there is,
>>>> it's probably not anyone prominent...maybe a student or something
>>>> along those lines.
>>>
>>> Unless someone at Marvel is ready to undo Scott/Emma in order to
>>>prep for a return to Scott/Jean, as making one of them a Skrull is
>>>an easy "blameless" to remove their marriage. (As opposed to how
>>>Scott/Madeline was handled.)
>>
>> Last I checked, Scott and Emma weren't married. As for a return of
>> Scott/Jean, I doubt that's going to happen as long as she's an
>> infant...most fans seem pretty happy with Scott/Emma so I doubt
>> they'll toss it out quite yet.
>
> Time-travelling infant. Could easily come back from the future
>as an adult. Or Marvel could just suddenly say all the hints that
>the baby was Jean were false, that the kid was someone else, and
>have Jean come back some other way.

Well, the latest issue of Cable and recent comments from the creators
make it pretty damn likely that the baby will turn out to be
Jean...which I personally think is lame because I am sick to death of
the endless Phoenix retreads but that's neither here nor there.

That said, I doubt they will bring Jean back (as she was) any time
soon.

>
> Most fans may be happy with Scott/Emma, but the happiness of
>fans isn't enough to stop Marvel (or DC for that matter).

That's true...but they generally go for sales...and Emma is one of the
most popular X-men at the moment...I don't think she's going anywhere.

>
>
> I don't think Marvel will reverse it quite yet, but the
>possibility is there. And either Scott or Emma being a Skrull
>really should have an impact on their relationship.

It should...but nothing about Secret Invasion has made sense so far so
I don't know why that would change here...seriously though, I doubt
either is a Skrull...if there is one, Beast is probably more
likely...and that could finally undo that ugly-ass cat-look Morrison
came up with.
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grinningdemon wrote in

> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:15:20 -0500, Billy Bissette
> wrote:

>> I don't think Marvel will reverse it quite yet, but the
>>possibility is there. And either Scott or Emma being a Skrull
>>really should have an impact on their relationship.
>
> It should...but nothing about Secret Invasion has made sense so far so
> I don't know why that would change here...seriously though, I doubt
> either is a Skrull...if there is one, Beast is probably more
> likely...and that could finally undo that ugly-ass cat-look Morrison
> came up with.

Considering how Beast has changed in the past, you don't need such
an excuse to de-Disney him.

You could just say he accidentally changed himself yet again while
using himself as a test subject while researching what Wanda did.
Or he changed himself again by drinking a random potion. Or he
randomly changed after getting struck by lightning.


And do we really need more Beasts wandering about? There is
already Beast and Dark Beast. Do we need Skrull Beast? Heck,
didn't Claremont have an evil Beast in the group of evil X-Men
in his last run on Excalibur? Bring him in and you'd pretty
much have enough Beasts for their own team, without it even
being an Exiles story (unlike the Team Wolverine joke.)
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"Billy Bissette" wrote in message

>
>
>
> And do we really need more Beasts wandering about? There is
> already Beast and Dark Beast. Do we need Skrull Beast?

There was a Beast on the Skrull ship, so we've got one one way or another.

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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:41:57 -0500, Billy Bissette
wrote:

>grinningdemon wrote in
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:15:20 -0500, Billy Bissette
>> wrote:
>
>>> I don't think Marvel will reverse it quite yet, but the
>>>possibility is there. And either Scott or Emma being a Skrull
>>>really should have an impact on their relationship.
>>
>> It should...but nothing about Secret Invasion has made sense so far so
>> I don't know why that would change here...seriously though, I doubt
>> either is a Skrull...if there is one, Beast is probably more
>> likely...and that could finally undo that ugly-ass cat-look Morrison
>> came up with.
>
> Considering how Beast has changed in the past, you don't need such
>an excuse to de-Disney him.
>
> You could just say he accidentally changed himself yet again while
>using himself as a test subject while researching what Wanda did.
>Or he changed himself again by drinking a random potion. Or he
>randomly changed after getting struck by lightning.

True...but the nature of the Secret Invasion storyline makes it easy
to just magically restore him...and that Secret Invasion special that
came out last month teamed up the Beast from the ship in Secret
Invasion with Wonder Man and strongly hinted that he might be the real
deal.

>
>
> And do we really need more Beasts wandering about? There is
>already Beast and Dark Beast. Do we need Skrull Beast? Heck,
>didn't Claremont have an evil Beast in the group of evil X-Men
>in his last run on Excalibur? Bring him in and you'd pretty
>much have enough Beasts for their own team, without it even
>being an Exiles story (unlike the Team Wolverine joke.)

I'm not saying it's a good idea...just that, given the evidence we
have, if there is a Skrull in the X-Men, Beast is the most likely
suspect...and yes, Claremont did have a hairless beast among his evil
X-Men from New Excalibur...but I think they all either died or left
this dimension at the end of that series...I know their Cyclops and
Angel died...I can't remember the rest...as much as I liked the
line-up for that Excalibur team, the series was pretty forgettable.
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