Merlin - use of advanced tech

"Tekkaman" wrote in message

On Oct 28, 11:45 pm, Loren Pechtel
wrote:
> He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
> because it would be obvious that something was up. What about using
> them for sabotage, though? Destroy a magazine during a lightning
> storm, perhaps?

He has done that. She used a snark to break Erik leg. in the first
book.

========


I thought that it was some sort of hand-held tractor beam. (But I could
be wrong.)
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"Loren Pechtel" wrote in message

> He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
> because it would be obvious that something was up. What about using
> them for sabotage, though? Destroy a magazine during a lightning
> storm, perhaps?

Makes sense. I guess I can see why Merlin might not want to do such
a thing generally, but it might make a lot of sense to do it prior to the
upcoming invasion of Hektor's island-country (Corisande?).

With a snark, you might be able to make it look like an accident,
given how volitile gunpowder of this era is.
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I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "Fred Burton"
wrote on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:19:59 -0400 in
alt.books.david-weber :
>
>"Tekkaman" wrote in message
>
>On Oct 28, 11:45 pm, Loren Pechtel
>wrote:
>> He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
>> because it would be obvious that something was up. What about using
>> them for sabotage, though? Destroy a magazine during a lightning
>> storm, perhaps?
>
>He has done that. She used a snark to break Erik leg. in the first
>book.
>
>========
>
>
>I thought that it was some sort of hand-held tractor beam. (But I could
>be wrong.)

A sufficiently adept magician will appear to those around him to
be utilizing extremely advanced technology.
>
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:22:44 -0400, "Fred Burton"
wrote:

>
>"Loren Pechtel" wrote in message
>
>> He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
>> because it would be obvious that something was up. What about using
>> them for sabotage, though? Destroy a magazine during a lightning
>> storm, perhaps?
>
>Makes sense. I guess I can see why Merlin might not want to do such
>a thing generally, but it might make a lot of sense to do it prior to the
>upcoming invasion of Hektor's island-country (Corisande?).
>
>With a snark, you might be able to make it look like an accident,
>given how volitile gunpowder of this era is.

That's why I specified a lightning storm.

Lightning is crashing down, the magazine goes up. Is anyone even
going to question it?
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On Oct 30, 2:22 am, "Fred Burton" wrote:
> "Loren Pechtel" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
> > because it would be obvious that something was up.  What about using
> > them for sabotage, though?  Destroy a magazine during a lightning
> > storm, perhaps?
>
> Makes sense.  I guess I can see why Merlin might not want to do such
> a thing generally, but it might make a lot of sense to do it prior to the
> upcoming invasion of Hektor's island-country (Corisande?).
>
> With a snark, you might be able to make it look like an accident,
> given how volitile gunpowder of this era is.

It would defeat his purpose why nit take all the way? biological
warfare. since Charis is an island just infect The rest of the world.

Look at this way, She has access to nanotech right?

Target the church leadership with a slight artifical virus in
different place on Safehold, and this may be taken as a sign that god
and the archangels are not pleased.


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On Oct 30, 12:40 pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "Fred Burton"
> wrote on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:19:59 -0400 in
> alt.books.david-weber :
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Tekkaman" wrote in message
> >
> >On Oct 28, 11:45 pm, Loren Pechtel
> >wrote:
> >> He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
> >> because it would be obvious that something was up. What about using
> >> them for sabotage, though? Destroy a magazine during a lightning
> >> storm, perhaps?
>
> >He has done that. She used a snark to break Erik leg. in the first
> >book.
>
> >========
>
> >I thought that it was some sort of hand-held tractor beam.  (But I could
> >be wrong.)
>
>         A sufficiently adept magician will appear to those around him to
> be utilizing extremely advanced technology.
>
> --


Arthur C. Clarke anyone?

,
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Tekkaman
wrote:

>On Oct 30, 2:22 am, "Fred Burton" wrote:
>> "Loren Pechtel" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>> > He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
>> > because it would be obvious that something was up.  What about using
>> > them for sabotage, though?  Destroy a magazine during a lightning
>> > storm, perhaps?
>>
>> Makes sense.  I guess I can see why Merlin might not want to do such
>> a thing generally, but it might make a lot of sense to do it prior to the
>> upcoming invasion of Hektor's island-country (Corisande?).
>>
>> With a snark, you might be able to make it look like an accident,
>> given how volitile gunpowder of this era is.
>
>It would defeat his purpose why nit take all the way? biological
>warfare. since Charis is an island just infect The rest of the world.
>
>Look at this way, She has access to nanotech right?
>
>Target the church leadership with a slight artifical virus in
>different place on Safehold, and this may be taken as a sign that god
>and the archangels are not pleased.
>
>

A bioweapon gone wrong would take out the human race. I don't think
that's a reasonable thing for him to do.
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:41:21 -0700, Tekkaman wrote:

> On Oct 30, 12:40 pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "Fred Burton"
>> wrote on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:19:59 -0400 in
>> alt.books.david-weber :
>>
>>         A sufficiently adept magician will appear to those around
>>         him to
>> be utilizing extremely advanced technology.
>>
>> --
>
>
> Arthur C. Clarke anyone?
>

Clarke's Law is:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

The above is, obviously, a corollary.

Peter
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On Oct 31, 11:56 am, Loren Pechtel
wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Tekkaman
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> >On Oct 30, 2:22 am, "Fred Burton" wrote:
> >> "Loren Pechtel" wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> > He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
> >> > because it would be obvious that something was up.  What about using
> >> > them for sabotage, though?  Destroy a magazine during a lightning
> >> > storm, perhaps?
>
> >> Makes sense.  I guess I can see why Merlin might not want to do such
> >> a thing generally, but it might make a lot of sense to do it prior to the
> >> upcoming invasion of Hektor's island-country (Corisande?).
>
> >> With a snark, you might be able to make it look like an accident,
> >> given how volitile gunpowder of this era is.
>
> >It would defeat his purpose why nit take all the way? biological
> >warfare. since Charis is an island just infect The rest of the world.
>
> >Look at this way,  She has access to nanotech right?
>
> >Target the church leadership with a slight artifical virus in
> >different place on Safehold, and this may be taken as a sign that god
> >and the archangels are not pleased.
>
> >
>
> A bioweapon gone wrong would take out the human race.  I don't think
> that's a reasonable thing for him to do.- Hide quoted text -
>

In the real world... like us... here and now, there are many biowepons
and they have been used. The Human race is still here.

Back to the safehold universe, Nimue Albans comes from a pretty
advance Human race. I think between her and the Owl, they can manage
such a small task.

safehold_talk DeleteThis @googlegroups.com
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On Nov 2, 10:25 am, Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:41:21 -0700, Tekkaman wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 12:40 pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >> I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "Fred Burton"
> >> wrote on Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:19:59 -0400 in
> >> alt.books.david-weber :
>
> >>         A sufficiently adept magician will appear to those around
> >>         him to
> >> be utilizing extremely advanced technology.
>
> >> --
>
> > Arthur C. Clarke anyone?
>
> Clarke's Law is:
>
>   Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
>
> The above is, obviously, a corollary.
>
>                                    Peter

Hence the archangels of Safehold. I guess we can call Merlin a Ghoul?
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Tekkaman wrote:
> On Oct 31, 11:56 am, Loren Pechtel
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Tekkaman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> wrote:
>>> On Oct 30, 2:22 am, "Fred Burton" wrote:
>>>> "Loren Pechtel" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> He quite correctly rejected the use of his snoopers for assassination
>>>>> because it would be obvious that something was up. What about using
>>>>> them for sabotage, though? Destroy a magazine during a lightning
>>>>> storm, perhaps?
>>>> Makes sense. I guess I can see why Merlin might not want to do such
>>>> a thing generally, but it might make a lot of sense to do it prior to the
>>>> upcoming invasion of Hektor's island-country (Corisande?).
>>>> With a snark, you might be able to make it look like an accident,
>>>> given how volitile gunpowder of this era is.
>>> It would defeat his purpose why nit take all the way? biological
>>> warfare. since Charis is an island just infect The rest of the world.
>>> Look at this way, She has access to nanotech right?
>>> Target the church leadership with a slight artifical virus in
>>> different place on Safehold, and this may be taken as a sign that god
>>> and the archangels are not pleased.
>>>
>> A bioweapon gone wrong would take out the human race. I don't think
>> that's a reasonable thing for him to do.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> In the real world... like us... here and now, there are many biowepons
> and they have been used. The Human race is still here.
>
> Back to the safehold universe, Nimue Albans comes from a pretty
> advance Human race. I think between her and the Owl, they can manage
> such a small task.
>
> safehold_talk RemoveThis @googlegroups.com

Make an artificial blood sucking or stinging insect and let it inject
some rather nasty toxin. They feel fine for a few days then get sick and
die a month later. Some mercury compounds would do it. You could even
put the toxin in a tiny slow release pellet. One pest might be able to
carry enough pellets to take out a hundred people.

The Russians did something similar using an umbrella to deliver the
toxin in a tiny hollow ball. I think they shot it into the guy but no
visible wound. The ball was microscopic.
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:54:17 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"
wrote:

>"Dwight E. Howell" wrote in message
>
>> J'hn1 wrote:

>>> Remember Nimue/Merlin's reluctance to lie?
>>> It would, someday, come to light and she couldn't have that
>>> against her credibility?

>>> Remember the main goal, to establish a civilizastion that could defeat
>>> the Gbaba.
>>>
>>> The Church only stands in the way to the extent that the Proscriptions
>>> stand in the way.
>>
>>
>> So when and how are they going to find out that somebody got a toxic
>> injection and died? Is that against the rules her people are using?
>>
>> And um, if she isn't out to change the rules, values and religious beliefs
>> of the other side big time she needs to go crawl in a cave and leave the
>> locals alone.

She does have to.
But not because they are evil, but because the ones defending the
system of "rules, values and religious beliefs" are the main defenders
of the Proscription, and the Proscription is directly oposing step 2
of the colony's design purposes. (step one was increase in population,
step two was develop more advanced military technology than existed in
Numue's time so as to end the Gbaba threat, step three would be to use
that mil-tech to end the Gbaba threat)
>
>I suspect everybody on Safehold would see Merlin/Nimue as a mass-murderer if
>she used chem or bio weapons.
moved
>In any case, part of Merlin's plan has always been to go public with who he
>is and with the true history of Safehold. Once Safehold knows the science
>that could create chem/bio weapons, they may seriously wonder if Merlin was
>behind that super-plague.

And since she was ging to open up the university grade library core,
they would eventually know what was possible for her to have done.

>The survivors of the other side might see the attack as an act of the Evil
>One.
>
That too.
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J'hn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:54:17 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"
> wrote:
>
>> "Dwight E. Howell" wrote in message
>>
>>> J'hn1 wrote:
>
>>>> Remember Nimue/Merlin's reluctance to lie?
>>>> It would, someday, come to light and she couldn't have that
>>>> against her credibility?
>
>>>> Remember the main goal, to establish a civilizastion that could defeat
>>>> the Gbaba.
>>>>
>>>> The Church only stands in the way to the extent that the Proscriptions
>>>> stand in the way.
>>>
>>> So when and how are they going to find out that somebody got a toxic
>>> injection and died? Is that against the rules her people are using?
>>>
>>> And um, if she isn't out to change the rules, values and religious beliefs
>>> of the other side big time she needs to go crawl in a cave and leave the
>>> locals alone.
>
> She does have to.
> But not because they are evil, but because the ones defending the
> system of "rules, values and religious beliefs" are the main defenders
> of the Proscription, and the Proscription is directly oposing step 2
> of the colony's design purposes. (step one was increase in population,
> step two was develop more advanced military technology than existed in
> Numue's time so as to end the Gbaba threat, step three would be to use
> that mil-tech to end the Gbaba threat)


I didn't say evil or good.
I didn't say right or wrong.

I said change.

She is either going to have to change the values and beliefs of those
who oppose her or she is going to have to kill them and allow people
that have the beliefs she needs to take their places or she can not
achieve her objectives.


>> I suspect everybody on Safehold would see Merlin/Nimue as a mass-murderer if
>> she used chem or bio weapons.
> moved
>> In any case, part of Merlin's plan has always been to go public with who he
>> is and with the true history of Safehold. Once Safehold knows the science
>> that could create chem/bio weapons, they may seriously wonder if Merlin was
>> behind that super-plague.
>
> And since she was ging to open up the university grade library core,
> they would eventually know what was possible for her to have done.


A great many things are possible. A great many things may have happened
in the past. There was some small hint that the Romans may have done
something in Germany some time after their big defeat by the Germans but
nobody thought it amounted to much.

Recently they found the location of what was apparently a major battle
field in north central Germany. The legion based on missile points was
fighting its way south.

A truly major historic event, a large scale Roman incursion deep into
Germany was forgotten. Oops!

If she did what I suggested there would be virtually nothing, maybe
nothing at all depending on what was done, to find in fifty years even
if you ran tests. That leaves any suspicions in fantasy land.

>
>> The survivors of the other side might see the attack as an act of the Evil
>> One.
>>
> That too.
>
>
>

And you gentlemen don't know how to deal with something like that.

To be blunt I don't think you gentlemen would qualify as even poor
leaders in time of war because you don't have it in you to win.

You might make good slaves though.
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