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tillman

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:43 pm
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43473-2004Apr1.html

"Lewis Carroll and Alice possess dual identities in the popular
imagination. Carroll, or rather Charles L. Dodgson, is the eccentric,
shy and stammering Oxford don with a kind heart, a flair for
mathematical and linguistic puzzles and an old bachelor's prissy
affection for children. That's the traditional view and, to my mind,
still largely the true one. But some modern readers and critics take
Dodgson as little better than a pedophile, a depraved Humbert Humbert
who proposed marriage to 11-year-old Alice Liddell (model and
inspiration for the fictional Alice) and snakily convinced mothers to
allow him to photograph their pubescent daughters in risqué poses, or
even in the nude. Similarly, Alice has been portrayed as both a polite,
strong-minded but essentially innocent and well brought-up young lady --
and as a proto-Goth, with a taste for drugs and danger, half Lolita,
half Lara Croft..."

Good stuff, and it sounds like a good book:

ALICE'S ADVENTURES
Lewis Carroll in Popular Culture
By Will Brooker. Continuum. 376 pp. $35

Happy reading!
Pete Tillman

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:37 pm
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Peter D. Tillman wrote:

<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43473-2004Apr1.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43473-2004Apr1.html</font</a>>
 >
 > "Lewis Carroll and Alice possess dual identities in the popular
 > imagination. Carroll, or rather Charles L. Dodgson, is the eccentric,
 > shy and stammering Oxford don with a kind heart, a flair for
 > mathematical and linguistic puzzles and an old bachelor's prissy
 > affection for children. That's the traditional view and, to my mind,
 > still largely the true one. . . ."

Even the traditional view is Swiss cheese. Look in at--

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.lookingforlewiscarroll.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lookingforlewiscarroll.com/</a>

--for some updates to that view.

--
Cordially,
Eric Walker, webmaster
Great Science-Fiction & Fantasy Works
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://greatsfandf.com" target="_blank">http://greatsfandf.com</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:01 pm
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In article <c54gn1$2m4au7$2@ID-90086.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Eric Walker <email.TakeThisOut@owlcroft.com> wrote:

 > Peter D. Tillman wrote:
 >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43473-2004Apr1.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43473-2004Apr1.html</font</a>>
  > >
  > > "Lewis Carroll and Alice possess dual identities in the popular
  > > imagination. Carroll, or rather Charles L. Dodgson, is the eccentric,
  > > shy and stammering Oxford don with a kind heart, a flair for
  > > mathematical and linguistic puzzles and an old bachelor's prissy
  > > affection for children. That's the traditional view and, to my mind,
  > > still largely the true one. . . ."
 >
 > Even the traditional view is Swiss cheese. Look in at--
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.lookingforlewiscarroll.com/</font" target="_blank">http://www.lookingforlewiscarroll.com/</font</a>>
 >
 > --for some updates to that view.

Thanks, Eric. Interesting site [added to SF Site's link-list].

Cheers -- Pete Tillman
--
"Paris, this army you're battling--they're *Greeks*. Idomeneus,
Diomedes, Sthenelos, Euryalos, Odysseus--I *know* these men. Know
them? By Pan's flute, I've *dated* half of them..."
-- Helen O'Troy, per James Morrow.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:02 am
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FamilyNet Newsgate

Peter D. Tillman wrote in a message to All:

PDT> From: "Peter D. Tillman" <tillman.TakeThisOut@aztec.asu.edu>

PDT> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43473-2004Apr1.html

PDT> "Lewis Carroll and Alice possess dual identities in the popular
PDT> imagination. Carroll, or rather Charles L. Dodgson, is the
PDT> eccentric, shy and stammering Oxford don with a kind heart, a
PDT> flair for mathematical and linguistic puzzles and an old
PDT> bachelor's prissy affection for children. That's the traditional
PDT> view and, to my mind, still largely the true one. But some modern
PDT> readers and critics take Dodgson as little better than a
PDT> pedophile, a depraved Humbert Humbert who proposed marriage to
PDT> 11-year-old Alice Liddell (model and inspiration for the
PDT> fictional Alice) and snakily convinced mothers to allow him to
PDT> photograph their pubescent daughters in risque poses, or even in
PDT> the nude. Similarly, Alice has been portrayed as both a polite,
PDT> strong-minded but essentially innocent and well brought-up young
PDT> lady -- and as a proto-Goth, with a taste for drugs and danger,
PDT> half Lolita, half Lara Croft..."

PDT> Good stuff, and it sounds like a good book:

Alice was 7 when Lewis Carroll first got the idea for the book.

If it didn't get that right, how many other inaccuracies are there.


PDT> ALICE'S ADVENTURES
PDT> Lewis Carroll in Popular Culture
PDT> By Will Brooker. Continuum. 376 pp. $35

I see there's a new edition of "The annotated Alice" out.

Steve Hayes
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail: hayesmstw.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com - If its full of spam, see webpage.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:20 pm
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"Stephen Hayes" <Stephen.Hayesp0.f10.n7903.z8 DeleteThis @fmlynet.org> wrote in message news:<0056fce4 DeleteThis @fmlynet.org>...
 > FamilyNet Newsgate
 >
 > Peter D. Tillman wrote in a message to All:
 >
 > PDT> "Lewis Carroll and Alice possess dual identities in the popular
 > PDT> imagination. Carroll, or rather Charles L. Dodgson, is the
 > PDT> eccentric, shy and stammering Oxford don with a kind heart, a
 > PDT> flair for mathematical and linguistic puzzles and an old
 > PDT> bachelor's prissy affection for children. That's the traditional
 > PDT> view and, to my mind, still largely the true one. But some modern
 > PDT> readers and critics take Dodgson as little better than a
 > PDT> pedophile, a depraved Humbert Humbert who proposed marriage to
 > PDT> 11-year-old Alice Liddell (model and inspiration for the
 > PDT> fictional Alice) and snakily convinced mothers to allow him to
 > PDT> photograph their pubescent daughters in risque poses, or even in
 > PDT> the nude. Similarly, Alice has been portrayed as both a polite,
 > PDT> strong-minded but essentially innocent and well brought-up young
 > PDT> lady -- and as a proto-Goth, with a taste for drugs and danger,
 > PDT> half Lolita, half Lara Croft..."
 >
 > PDT> Good stuff, and it sounds like a good book:
 >
 > Alice was 7 when Lewis Carroll first got the idea for the book.
 >
 > If it didn't get that right, how many other inaccuracies are there.
 >
 >
 > PDT> ALICE'S ADVENTURES
 > PDT> Lewis Carroll in Popular Culture
 > PDT> By Will Brooker. Continuum. 376 pp. $35
 >
 > I see there's a new edition of "The annotated Alice" out.



Chill, Steve.

Alice could have inspired the book, then been proposed to by Carroll
four years later. No foul.


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