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> Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!

The shock effect of seeing rocks falling from the sky was probably
greater than the actual casualties, so better to hit them while they're
still distracted.

> Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> participating in the battle?

They were nocturnal?

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> > Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> > army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> > stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> > for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> > so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> > several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
> >
> > Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> > and his army?
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> > As for the witch's army, why didn't that ox general order the giants to
> > throw stones back at Peter's army? Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> > participating in the battle?
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> More questions (not that I really paid that much attention to the book
> or the movie): Why meeting her troups on the open field at all, Peter's
> army definitely had the terrain advantage in those hills. A few
> oil-fire traps, some pits (as suggested above), and maybe fire bombs
> (molotov cocktail / burning oil jars) dropped on the enemy instead of
> stones...
> The witch would have lost half her army just trying to climb the
> hill...
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> But then, of course, Peter and the gang wouldn't have been the "Good"
> guys if they actually fought to really win the battle
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> /A

That's really the point. Besides, most of that stuff is just for the
cool factor, not because it made sense. When you get right down to it,
very little of that film was logical. But that's what goofing around
using fantasy as metaphor gets you.

Doug
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Bill Woods wrote:

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> > Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> > army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> > stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> > for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> > so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> > several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
>
> The shock effect of seeing rocks falling from the sky was probably
> greater than the actual casualties, so better to hit them while they're
> still distracted.
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> > Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> > participating in the battle?
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> They were nocturnal?

But couldn't Queen Jadis order her bats to fight in daytime, or arrange to
attack Peter's army at night so that the bats could participate?
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Avilan wrote:

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> > Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> > army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> > stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> > for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> > so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> > several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
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> > Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> > and his army?
> >
> > As for the witch's army, why didn't that ox general order the giants to
> > throw stones back at Peter's army? Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> > participating in the battle?
>
> More questions (not that I really paid that much attention to the book
> or the movie): Why meeting her troups on the open field at all, Peter's
> army definitely had the terrain advantage in those hills. A few
> oil-fire traps, some pits (as suggested above), and maybe fire bombs
> (molotov cocktail / burning oil jars) dropped on the enemy instead of
> stones...
> The witch would have lost half her army just trying to climb the
> hill...

Does Narnia have any oil?

One of Peter's centaurs did fire a fire arrow... at a phoenix, which proceeded
to blow up in front of the witch's army. Why didn't Peter's troops fire any
fire arrows at the witch's troops as they climbed the hill?
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Richard Eney wrote:

> In article <1144915272.126389.57980.RemoveThis@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> Avilan <stefans.mailbox.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> >> army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> >> stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> >> for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> >> so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> >> several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
> >>
> >> Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> >> and his army?
> >>
> >> As for the witch's army, why didn't that ox general order the giants to
> >> throw stones back at Peter's army? Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> >> participating in the battle?
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> >More questions (not that I really paid that much attention to the book
> >or the movie): Why meeting her troups on the open field at all, Peter's
> >army definitely had the terrain advantage in those hills. A few
> >oil-fire traps, some pits (as suggested above), and maybe fire bombs
> >(molotov cocktail / burning oil jars) dropped on the enemy instead of
> >stones...
> >The witch would have lost half her army just trying to climb the
> >hill...
> >
> >But then, of course, Peter and the gang wouldn't have been the "Good"
> >guys if they actually fought to really win the battle
>
> And charging to meet a charging enemy who was advancing in open order,
> especially when your own troops are not keeping formation, was _dumb_.
> The result was a collision between two mobs and a general slaughter.
> Peter should have kept his army in its ranks and met the disorderly rush
> of the White Witch's forces with a good thick hedge of spears. That
> worked on cavalry in classic and Medieval times (not to mention on Tuchux
> at the Pennsic Wars).
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> Of course, the White Witch was just as stupid letting her army charge as a
> mere mob.
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> And as for Aslan...well, it's Friday's question all over again. ("If
> Devil so bad, why not God kill Devil?") Unless she teleported out as soon
> as we lost sight of her, the decisive finish taook place when Aslan sprang
> on her and killed her. If he could kill her, why the hell did he allow
> Narnia to suffer a hundred years of misery first?

Possibly because he had to wait for the Pevensie children to enter Narnia so
that they could rule it after the White Witch's death.

> I suppose asking CS Lewis that would be like asking why _his_ god let his
> own son be tortured to death sooner than alter a bureaucratic rule which
> he'd made by his own authority and could have revoked by that authority.

To redeem the sins of all Mankind!
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Near the end of the movie, the White Witch's army attacks Peter's army.

1 Hour 48 Minutes 12 Seconds into the movie: The head of the first enemy
soldier (the Minotaur general) appears over some rocks.

1 Hour 48 Minutes 27 Seconds: Rest of army appears on screen, is
marching forward.

1 Hour 49 Minutes 19-28 Seconds: At Peter's signal (lowering his sword),
his army yells and shake their weapons.

1 Hour 49 Minutes 40 Seconds: The Witch's army begins their attack run.

1 Hour 50 Minutes 19 Seconds: Peter gives the signal to the griffins to
begin their rock dropping run.

Why didn't Peter send the rock dropping griffins the moment the witch's
army appeared, instead of waiting over two minutes so that his army
could yell at her army? Why didn't Peter have several griffins
concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch?

Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
and his army?

As for the witch's army, why didn't that Minotaur general order the
giants to throw stones back at Peter's army? Why weren't the witch's
bat friends participating in the battle? Surely, Jadis would consider
winning the battle more important than letting the bats nap!
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Bill Woods wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
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> > Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> > army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> > stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> > for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> > so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> > several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
>
> The shock effect of seeing rocks falling from the sky was probably
> greater than the actual casualties, so better to hit them while they're
> still distracted.

Why did Peter have his army yell at hers before sending in the griffins? Why
not have both the yelling and rock dropping happen simultanously? Why not
drop rocks directly on the witch in hopes of killing her and thus destroying
her army's morale?
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Avilan wrote:

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> > Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> > army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> > stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> > for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> > so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> > several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
> >
> > Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> > and his army?
> >
> > As for the witch's army, why didn't that ox general order the giants to
> > throw stones back at Peter's army? Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> > participating in the battle?
>
> More questions (not that I really paid that much attention to the book
> or the movie): Why meeting her troups on the open field at all, Peter's
> army definitely had the terrain advantage in those hills. A few
> oil-fire traps, some pits (as suggested above), and maybe fire bombs
> (molotov cocktail / burning oil jars) dropped on the enemy instead of
> stones...
> The witch would have lost half her army just trying to climb the
> hill...

I like the above ideas.
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trike wrote:

> Avilan wrote:
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> > > Kudos to Peter for directing griffins to drop stones on the witch's
> > > army! However, IMHO, he should have ordered them to start dropping the
> > > stones the moment he spied the witch's army (so that there would be time
> > > for a second stone dropping run!), instead of waiting for a few minutes
> > > so that his army could yell at her army. Also, he should have had
> > > several griffins concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch!
> > >
> > > Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> > > and his army?
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> > > As for the witch's army, why didn't that ox general order the giants to
> > > throw stones back at Peter's army? Why weren't the witch's bat friends
> > > participating in the battle?
> >
> >
> > More questions (not that I really paid that much attention to the book
> > or the movie): Why meeting her troups on the open field at all, Peter's
> > army definitely had the terrain advantage in those hills. A few
> > oil-fire traps, some pits (as suggested above), and maybe fire bombs
> > (molotov cocktail / burning oil jars) dropped on the enemy instead of
> > stones...
> > The witch would have lost half her army just trying to climb the
> > hill...
> >
> > But then, of course, Peter and the gang wouldn't have been the "Good"
> > guys if they actually fought to really win the battle
> >
> > /A
>
> That's really the point. Besides, most of that stuff is just for the
> cool factor, not because it made sense. When you get right down to it,
> very little of that film was logical. But that's what goofing around
> using fantasy as metaphor gets you.

When the trees relayed to Peter and Edmund their sisters' message about the
death of Aslan, why didn't Peter have the trees tell Susan and Lucy to return to
camp so that Susan could use her bow in the battle?

Why weren't more fire arrows used?
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In article <446E8EFE.AD8694D1.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> Why didn't Peter send the rock dropping griffins the moment the witch's
> army appeared, instead of waiting over two minutes so that his army
> could yell at her army? Why didn't Peter have several griffins
> concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch?
>
> Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> and his army?

Yeah, Peter has all the tactical and strategic prowess of a
twelve-year-old.

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"David M. Palmer" wrote:

> In article <446E8EFE.AD8694D1.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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> > Why didn't Peter send the rock dropping griffins the moment the witch's
> > army appeared, instead of waiting over two minutes so that his army
> > could yell at her army? Why didn't Peter have several griffins
> > concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch?
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> > Why didn't Peter have Talking Moles dig pits in between the witch's army
> > and his army?
>
> Yeah, Peter has all the tactical and strategic prowess of a
> twelve-year-old.

He seemed older than 12 to me.
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Sea Wasp wrote:

> Tim Bruening wrote:
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> > Why didn't Peter send the rock dropping griffins the moment the witch's
> > army appeared, instead of waiting over two minutes so that his army
> > could yell at her army?
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> Dramatic effect.
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> Why didn't Peter have several griffins
> > concentrate on dropping stones directly ON the witch?
>
> Plot requirements, dramatic effect, and simple fact that you can't
> target such small objects accurately in that circumstance.

Okay, have several griffins drop rocks in the area containing the witch's
chariot, in the hopes that at least one rock will score.

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> > As for the witch's army, why didn't that Minotaur general order the
> > giants to throw stones back at Peter's army?
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> Changing tactics in a charge rarely works.

Have the giants run into the rock dropping area after the main army have
passed, and have them pick up the rocks and throw them at the reserves
commanded by Edmund.

> Why weren't the witch's
> > bat friends participating in the battle?
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> VAMPIRES. They don't DO daytime. Except as flambe.

Then why not just attack at night?
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Before allowing himself to be stabbed by the White Witch, why didn't
Aslan tell Peter and Edmund to tell their troops to break her wand at
all costs?

When Edmund got the idea of breaking the witch's wand, why didn't he
tell any of his troops about that idea (as a hedge against him failing
to break the wand)?
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