Mind and Universe

On Friday 25 February, ilya_shambat2004.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote in
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 > It is a popular belief in many places that the mind is inadequate for
 > understanding cosmic reality.

It is a popular belief in many places that *your* mind is inadequate
for understanding anything at all. I wonder why?

<more unspeakable rubbish snipped>

PJR
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In message <1109363436.034732.169980.RemoveThis@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
ilya_shambat2004.RemoveThis@yahoo.com writes
 >It is a popular belief in many places that the mind is inadequate for
 >understanding cosmic reality.
 >
 >My response: Balderdash.
 >
We know! We know!

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 > It is a popular belief in many places that the mind is inadequate for
 > understanding cosmic reality.
 >
 > My response: Balderdash.
 >
 > When you combine reason, with examination and experimentation, with
 > meditation, with revelation, with inspiration, with experience and
 > emotional richness, you get a fairly good idea of what's going on
 > through the synergy of all these perspectives.
 >
 > You use reason, examination, inspiration and wisdom to move yourself
 > immediately next to the truth, and then adopt meditative frame of mind
 > gently surrender into it and listen.
 >
 > You use your mind to come asymptotically toward infinity - and then
 > lean back into the awakened infinity and simply listen to its flows.
 >
 > This takes the truth out of the conman's territory of faith and into
 > the truthful and verifiable territory of experience and knowledge.
 >
 > This place should be accessible to anyone who will not destroy, usurp,
 > pollute, profane or use it against others.
 >
 > Ilya Shambat.
 >

If you had it all figured out you would be enlightened and could take on the
job of the next christ if you so wish. You are also way to stuck in you
head. Knowledge is felt and experienced, not rationalized, or should we say
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G*rd*n wrote:
  > > When you combine reason, with examination and experimentation, with
  > > meditation, with revelation, with inspiration, with experience and
  > > emotional richness, you get a fairly good idea of what's going on
  > > through the synergy of all these perspectives.
 > Compared to what?

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Rob Evans wrote:
 > When I see a swine
 > I reach for 45-calibre pearls.

Three hunters - a Texan, a Californian and an Oregonian - were hunting
in the woods.

The Texan takes a bottle of tequila, throws it in the air and shoots
it. The Californian asks, "What did you do that for?" The Texan says,
"We got plenty of those where I come from."

The Californian takes a bottle of White Zin, throws it in the air and
shoots it. The Oregonian asks, "What did you do that for?" The
Californian says, "We got plenty of those where I come from."

The Oregonian takes a can of beer, throws it in the air and shoots the
Californian. The Texan asks, "What did you do that for?" The Oregonian
says, "We got plenty of those where I come from. Besides, the can was
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Shaun G wrote:
 > If you had it all figured out you would be enlightened and could take
on the
 > job of the next christ if you so wish.

There's no such thing as the next Christ. On the other hand, there can
be quite a few Bodhisattvas, or Saints, or mystic poets.

 > You are also way to stuck in you head.

What stuck in you head?

 > Knowledge is felt and experienced, not rationalized, or should we say
 > mind fucked.

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On Sunday 27 February, ilya_shambat2004.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote in
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 > G*rd*n wrote:
   >> > When you combine reason, with examination and experimentation, with
   >> > meditation, with revelation, with inspiration, with experience and
   >> > emotional richness, you get a fairly good idea of what's going on
   >> > through the synergy of all these perspectives.
  >> Compared to what?

 > I was talking in the absolute sense, not the comparative sense.

So your post was absolutely ridiculous, rather than merely
comparatively ridiculous. I guessed as much.

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   > > > When you combine reason, with examination and experimentation, with
   > > > meditation, with revelation, with inspiration, with experience and
   > > > emotional richness, you get a fairly good idea of what's going on
   > > > through the synergy of all these perspectives.

G*rd*n:
  > > Compared to what?

ilya_shambat2004 DeleteThis @yahoo.com:
 > I was talking in the absolute sense, not the comparative sense.


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"Shaun G" <Threewolves RemoveThis @shaw.ca> wrote in message
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 >You are also way to stuck in you
 > head. Knowledge is felt and experienced, not rationalized, or should we
 > say
 > mind fucked.

Feelings and experiences can mislead you rapidly. I'm not much of an
empiricist, except to say that experiences are all we've got to start with,
so when they're confirmed and reconfirmed, we might as well accept them as
real -- as long as we're aware they might be wrong and are willing to change
our theories when new evidence is presented.

This is probably a chair I'm sitting in (assuming I'm sitting... assuming I
am... but now we're just getting pedantic). It fits all the definitions of
what a "chair" does. I perceive it. Strangers, who haven't been informed
of the presence of the chair, perceive it as well. Within the limitations
of language, we can ascertain we're both perceiving an object that has the
same appearance. So we might as well say the chair exists. But it may not.
So in one tiny corner of my mind, I keep open the possibility that it might
not. If repeated evidence demonstrated the chair didn't exist, I'd be
willing to change my belief that it does and would have to find another
explanation for why I can sit in it and walk into it.

Does this qualify as "knowledge"?

Well, that's a longer ramble than is my wont. I'll be going now.

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Felings and experiences can mislead you rapidly. I'm not much of an
 > empiricist, except to say that experiences are all we've got to start
with,
 > so when they're confirmed and reconfirmed, we might as well accept them as
 > real -- as long as we're aware they might be wrong and are willing to
change
 > our theories when new evidence is presented.
 >

Yes, this is true, however how you are doing this is what is at question.
The white race
is way to in their heads. We think and rationalize everything. The mind was
only ment to
recieve information. You know the chair is real because you feel yourself
sitting in it. Then
you have a body knowing that if you sit in that chair you will in fact sit
in it. The mind surrounds the body
and is an electromagnetic thought space. From this space the physical body
is created. All knowledge is
imprinted into the body. When you know something and you can do it
autonamicaly, it is a body knowing
of how to perform that function. Everyone has Emotional, physical, mental,
spiritual and sexual ways of being.
It is one of the ways we experience the world. To be in balance we could
learn to give with the emotions,
Hold with the physical body, recieve with the mind, determim through spirit,
and catalize with our
sexual energy. Many of us, especially those of us in the west try to
determin with the mind. Often
this throws us into pretense. Where as the body knows. The gut will never
lie.


 > This is probably a chair I'm sitting in (assuming I'm sitting... assuming
I
 > am... but now we're just getting pedantic). It fits all the definitions
of
 > what a "chair" does. I perceive it. Strangers, who haven't been informed
 > of the presence of the chair, perceive it as well. Within the limitations
 > of language, we can ascertain we're both perceiving an object that has the
 > same appearance. So we might as well say the chair exists. But it may
not.
 > So in one tiny corner of my mind, I keep open the possibility that it
might
 > not. If repeated evidence demonstrated the chair didn't exist, I'd be
 > willing to change my belief that it does and would have to find another
 > explanation for why I can sit in it and walk into it.
 >
 > Does this qualify as "knowledge"?
 >
 > Well, that's a longer ramble than is my wont. I'll be going now.
 >
 > Nova
 >
 >

Well, considering the chair is mostely empty space, you are lucky you sat in
it at all. lol.
When we form a beliefe system we are allways lost. If you can think of
everything from
eight different perspectives you are on your way go digging yourself out of
your box. Believe
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