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nomadyendig




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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:11 am
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Does anybody know which book and or area/chapter where a Culture Mind thinks about its and other Minds true feelings towards biological beings and AI of lesser intelligence?
I am thinking it is in either Excession or Look to Windward. I just cannot remember which.
Thank you

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Stephen Graham

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:57 am
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nomadyendig wrote:
> Does anybody know which book and or area/chapter where a Culture Mind
> thinks about its and other Minds true feelings towards biological
> beings and AI of lesser intelligence?
> I am thinking it is in either Excession or Look to Windward. I just
> cannot remember which.

Are you perhaps thinking of the Grey Area in Excession?

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nomadyendig




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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:34 pm
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It could be. I am referring to an internal monologue by a Mind describing its feelings about "Mind-hood" and other sentient being particularly humans. I do not know exactly which of the two books it comes from and Google and other search engines I use don't give me any relevant information.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:37 pm
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In article ,
nomadyendig wrote:
>It could be. I am referring to an internal monologue by a Mind
>describing its feelings about "Mind-hood" and other sentient being
>particularly humans. I do not know exactly which of the two books it
>comes from and Google and other search engines I use don?t give me any
>relevant information.

It may not be the Grey Area then. Was there a special reason
for this passage being memorable(!) for you?

Francis
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:08 pm
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nomadyendig wrote:

> I am thinking it is in either Excession or Look to Windward. I just
> cannot remember which.

I'm thinking LtW - it might be towards the end when the Mind is
recounting its time as the 'Lasting Damage' and what it was forced to
do.

Jim
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:08 pm
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In article ,
Jim wrote:
>> I am thinking it is in either Excession or Look to Windward. I just
>> cannot remember which.
>
>I'm thinking LtW - it might be towards the end when the Mind is
>recounting its time as the 'Lasting Damage' and what it was forced to
>do.

You got me intrigued now - I'll have a look in LtW later on.

Francis
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:29 pm
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Francis Burton wrote:

> In article ,
> Jim wrote:
> >> I am thinking it is in either Excession or Look to Windward. I just
> >> cannot remember which.
> >
> >I'm thinking LtW - it might be towards the end when the Mind is
> >recounting its time as the 'Lasting Damage' and what it was forced to
> >do.
>
> You got me intrigued now - I'll have a look in LtW later on.

The bit I'm thinking of contains this portion:

"I have watched people die in exhaustive and penetrative detail," the
avatar continued. "I have felt for them. Did you know that true
subjective time is measured in the minimum duration of demonstrably
separate thoughts? Per second, a human - or a Chelgrian - might have
twenty or thirty, even in the heightened state of extreme distress
associated with the process of dying in pain." The avatar's eyes seemed
to shine. It came forward, closer to his face by the breadth of a hand.

"Whereas I," it whispered, "have billions." It smiled, and some- thing
in its expression made Ziller clench his teeth. "I watched those poor
wretches die in the slowest of slow motion and I knew even as I watched
that it was I who'd killed them, who was at that moment engaged in the
process of killing them. For a thing like me to kill one of them or one
of you is a very, very easy thing to do, and, as I discovered,
absolutely disgusting. Just as I need never wonder what it is like to
die, so I need never wonder what it is like to kill, Ziller, because I
have done it, and it is a wasteful, graceless, worthless and hateful
thing to have to do."


Jim
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