Morgan

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at wrote on 10/11/04 5:25 PM:

 > Does anyone think that Morgan could be descended from Camber ???? No
 > mention has ever been made of the fate of Camber's children and grand
 > children other than what comes out in the Bastard Prince.
 >
Morgan is descended from Camber, through Rhys and Evaine. Duncan and Dhugal
are, too, for that matter. (I can't remember where I read KK saying this,
but it was in one of the books) And according to Codex, Kelson is as well
(although I think people have said Codex is no longer canon, so that might
have changed.)

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Marion <snuffybear RemoveThis @snet.net> wrote in message news:<BD9079C7.D54C%snuffybear@snet.net>...
 > in article e8e7300b2a470ace78ee1b8dcebb42e0 RemoveThis @localhost.talkaboutabook.com,
 > at wrote on 10/11/04 5:25 PM:
 >
  > > Does anyone think that Morgan could be descended from Camber ???? No
  > > mention has ever been made of the fate of Camber's children and grand
  > > children other than what comes out in the Bastard Prince.
  > >
 > Morgan is descended from Camber, through Rhys and Evaine. Duncan and Dhugal
 > are, too, for that matter. (I can't remember where I read KK saying this,
 > but it was in one of the books) And according to Codex, Kelson is as well
 > (although I think people have said Codex is no longer canon, so that might
 > have changed.)
 >
 > Marion

In the into to Derry's story in the Deryni Archives Katherine mentions
that she had worked out how Duncan and Morgan were descended from Rhys
and Evaine.

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in article 6743b5e9.0410120210.13e5c5c5.DeleteThis@posting.google.com, Jerry Maher at
JJMJR45.DeleteThis@PRODIGY.NET wrote on 10/12/04 6:10 AM:


 >
 > In the into to Derry's story in the Deryni Archives Katherine mentions
 > that she had worked out how Duncan and Morgan were descended from Rhys
 > and Evaine.
 >
 > jerry

Thanks, Jerry. I might just have to pull that out and read it again...

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where did you get that he was a decendent of Rhys and Evaine? There is no
mention of it in any of the books.
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in article 20041012214711.01883.00001762.TakeThisOut@mb-m14.aol.com, WatchKeep at
watchkeep.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote on 10/12/04 9:47 PM:

 > where did you get that he was a decendent of Rhys and Evaine? There is no
 > mention of it in any of the books.

As Jerry mentioned, KK writes at the preface of one of her stories in Deryni
Archives (the book, not the 'zine) that she now knows how Alaric and Duncan
are descended from Rhys and Evaine.

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Marion <snuffybear DeleteThis @snet.net> wrote in message news:<BD92722E.D612%snuffybear@snet.net>...
 > in article 20041012214711.01883.00001762 DeleteThis @mb-m14.aol.com, WatchKeep at
 > watchkeep DeleteThis @aol.com wrote on 10/12/04 9:47 PM:
 >
  > > where did you get that he was a decendent of Rhys and Evaine? There is no
  > > mention of it in any of the books.
 >
 > As Jerry mentioned, KK writes at the preface of one of her stories in Deryni
 > Archives (the book, not the 'zine) that she now knows how Alaric and Duncan
 > are descended from Rhys and Evaine.
 >
 > Marion

there are also many clues in the books, eg compare Morgan's physical
description to Camber & Evaine, the latent healing power, his
mysterious origin (who really was his mother?, Morgan, and Duncan, are
key characters in a series revolving around Camber and finding who he
really was. None of this is proof of course, but this is historical
fantasy after all.

I also thought it interesting that Duncan and Morgan represent the two
key facets of Camber: the loyal king's servant, and the priest/bishop
secreting working behind the scenes for the king.

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 > there are also many clues in the books, eg compare Morgan's physical
 > description to Camber & Evaine, the latent healing power, his
 > mysterious origin (who really was his mother?, Morgan, and Duncan, are
 > key characters in a series revolving around Camber and finding who he
 > really was. None of this is proof of course, but this is historical
 > fantasy after all.
 >
 > I also thought it interesting that Duncan and Morgan represent the two
 > key facets of Camber: the loyal king's servant, and the priest/bishop
 > secreting working behind the scenes for the king.
 >
 > now when do they find the blocking technique....

I've always considered that they've already "found" it, although it's
not yet recognized as such. Dhugal blocked Kelson accidently while he
was healing him in QfSC -- just as Rhys accidently blocked his patient
the first time. The narration also mentioned that he was able to find
and trigger the reversal easily. Now they'd just need to remember
what happened and have a reason to use it.

BTW, I love your analogy of Morgan and Duncan being the "2 faces of
Camber." It will definitely color future readings!

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in article 552909f7.0410150510.2851fd07.RemoveThis@posting.google.com, thomas noll at
ten.RemoveThis@world.std.com wrote on 10/15/04 9:10 AM:


 > there are also many clues in the books, eg compare Morgan's physical
 > description to Camber & Evaine, the latent healing power, his
 > mysterious origin (who really was his mother?, Morgan, and Duncan, are
 > key characters in a series revolving around Camber and finding who he
 > really was. None of this is proof of course, but this is historical
 > fantasy after all.
 >
 > I also thought it interesting that Duncan and Morgan represent the two
 > key facets of Camber: the loyal king's servant, and the priest/bishop
 > secreting working behind the scenes for the king.
 >
 > now when do they find the blocking technique....

Love the thought of them representing the two facets of Camber.

I always thought there was a similarity in description of them as well.
Although, I'm not sure what you mean about the mysterious origin - there's
no doubt about Morgan's mother (we had some question about his father, but
I'm pleased at how KK resolved that!)

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edmcgurk.RemoveThis@swbell.net (ellen) wrote in message news:<9385abba.0410151202.5be25251.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
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  > >
  > > there are also many clues in the books, eg compare Morgan's physical
  > > description to Camber & Evaine, the latent healing power, his
  > > mysterious origin (who really was his mother?, Morgan, and Duncan, are
  > > key characters in a series revolving around Camber and finding who he
  > > really was. None of this is proof of course, but this is historical
  > > fantasy after all.
  > >
  > > I also thought it interesting that Duncan and Morgan represent the two
  > > key facets of Camber: the loyal king's servant, and the priest/bishop
  > > secreting working behind the scenes for the king.
  > >
  > > now when do they find the blocking technique....
 >
 > I've always considered that they've already "found" it, although it's
 > not yet recognized as such. Dhugal blocked Kelson accidently while he
 > was healing him in QfSC -- just as Rhys accidently blocked his patient
 > the first time. The narration also mentioned that he was able to find
 > and trigger the reversal easily. Now they'd just need to remember
 > what happened and have a reason to use it.
 >
 > BTW, I love your analogy of Morgan and Duncan being the "2 faces of
 > Camber." It will definitely color future readings!
 >
 > ellen

thank you! I had forgotten about Dhugal - interesting to see how or
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And IIRC, they both have that MacRorie coloring, the blond hair and light
eyes. I know Morgan does; I'm trying to remember if there are any
extensive physical descriptions of Duncan.
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DesertRose <desertrose5624.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> And IIRC, they both have that MacRorie coloring, the blond hair and light
> eyes. I know Morgan does; I'm trying to remember if there are any
> extensive physical descriptions of Duncan.

Since learning about Morgan's ancestry, I've always pictured him as looking
like a 30 year old Camber MacRorie. He also has an oval face, which Camber
had, and as you noted, Camber's coloring. Duncan has light brown hair and
blue eyes, but since his mother and Morgan's were sisters, I suspect there's
quite a lot of family resemblance between the cousins. At least, that's how
I imagine it. In Deryni Checkmate, there's a reference to the ladies of
Morgan's court finding both of them very easy on the eyes.

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Doesn't Duncan have brown hair and blue eyes?

DesertRose wrote:
> And IIRC, they both have that MacRorie coloring, the blond hair and light
> eyes. I know Morgan does; I'm trying to remember if there are any
> extensive physical descriptions of Duncan.
>
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> Doesn't Duncan have brown hair and blue eyes?
>
> DesertRose wrote:
> > And IIRC, they both have that MacRorie coloring, the blond hair and
light
> > eyes. I know Morgan does; I'm trying to remember if there are any
> > extensive physical descriptions of Duncan.
> >
I think it's in Deryni Checkmate that Duncan makes a comment about Morgan's
"outrageous yellow hair" marking him out when he's in disguise, which rather
suggests that Duncan has less noticeable colouring.
Lesley
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