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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:12 pm
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A few thoughts on three films I've seen recently (and one I will be seeing
soon):

TIM BURTON'S CORPSE BRIDE

Superb stop-motion animation, as you'd expect from the man behind the
wonderful NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, but this one seemed to lack much of
the heart that lay behind the first film. Still, a feast for the eyes, and
superb voice characterisation throughout (Albert Finney a treat as the
down-at-heels aristocratic father, and Richard E. Grant doing his patented
oily villain to perfection, are just two of the standouts; Johnny Depp is
also very good, if a bit low-key, and his British accent is just British
enough to convince; a lot of American actors doing British accents seem to
think they have to speak in either a plummy Home Counties/BBC accent, or
else do Cockney, and end up sounding wrong; think Dick Van Dyke in MARY
POPPINS, although once you get past the dreadful accent he turns in a
performance full of charm and wit).

LEAGUE OF GENTLEMAN'S APOCALYPSE

The DVD arrived this morning and we lost no time in getting stuck in; laugh
out loud funny, although there were some truly touching moments, most of
which, oddly, seemed to involve Herr Lipp, who made the rare leap (in broad
comedy) from caricature to real person. The 'Overlooked Hotel' was a nice
touch, and David Warner was great. It seems obligatory for British comedy
series to be turned into a movie at some point, with (shall we say) mainly
indifferent success, but the League men seem to have beaten the curse.
Another unusual feature are the deleted scenes; usually you can tell why the
scenes have been left on the cutting-room floor, but there were several that
it seems a pity to have lost, notably Warner's character's insistence on
clearing up misconceptions about how his last name is spelled ('That's "Pea"
with an "a"), and Mark Gatiss trying to jog Reece Shearsmith's memory about
what films Warner has been in (helpfully: 'He had his head sliced off in THE
OMEN. . . ').

THE NINTH GATE

Haven't yet read the Perez Reverte novel THE CLUB DUMAS, on which the film
is based, but have to hope it makes more sense than the film (having read a
few of the author's other books I suspect it will). It felt like a film that
had a lot of key bits left out; before it was over I was only really
half-watching, being more engrossed in a crossword puzzle, which can be
taken as an indication that I wasn't exactly gripped. And I'm afraid my
inner nit-picker began to kick in, as I watched all these supposedly
knowledgeable book people treating pricelessly rare volumes as if they were
mass-market paperbacks; I half expected someone to fold down a corner of a
page to mark their place. The horror, the horror. . . .

WALLACE AND GROMIT IN THE CURSE OF THE WERE-RABBIT

'Something wicked this way hops' - says it all, really. It opened in North
America today, and I see from the Rotten Tomatoes film review site that of
the 77 reviews included thus far, only 3 are rotten; the other 74 are fresh,
giving the film an incredible 96% approval rating. Apparently Nick Park
wanted to make a Wallace and Gromit horror film, and he seems to have made a
movie at least as good as the sublime CHICKEN RUN, thus beating the
sophomore jinx. Can't wait to see it!

Barbara

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:22 pm
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:12:01 GMT, "Barbara Roden" <nebuly RemoveThis @telus.net>
wrote:
>
>LEAGUE OF GENTLEMAN'S APOCALYPSE
>
>The DVD arrived this morning and we lost no time in getting stuck in; laugh
>out loud funny, although there were some truly touching moments, most of
>which, oddly, seemed to involve Herr Lipp, who made the rare leap (in broad
>comedy) from caricature to real person. The 'Overlooked Hotel' was a nice
>touch, and David Warner was great. It seems obligatory for British comedy
>series to be turned into a movie at some point, with (shall we say) mainly
>indifferent success, but the League men seem to have beaten the curse.
>Another unusual feature are the deleted scenes; usually you can tell why the
>scenes have been left on the cutting-room floor, but there were several that
>it seems a pity to have lost, notably Warner's character's insistence on
>clearing up misconceptions about how his last name is spelled ('That's "Pea"
>with an "a"), and Mark Gatiss trying to jog Reece Shearsmith's memory about
>what films Warner has been in (helpfully: 'He had his head sliced off in THE
>OMEN. . . ').
>

This was great fun, though there was not the depth of opportunity that
the LOG had with their TV series. As a result, characters like Auntie
Val and Uncle Harvey don't appear, there is no Farmer Tinsel, Pop, or
Judee. This gives other possibilities, of course: Dr Chinnery is given
one opportunity for a disastrous veterinary scene (no spoilers, but it
involves a giraffe), Herr Lipp is developed a little more, Bernice is
given more attention, and, naturally, Tubbs and Edward are in and out
of the picture the whole time. If there was a slight disappointment,
it was that Papa Lazarou was far less threatening that he could have
been; and poor old Pauline seemed a shadow of her former pen-wielding
self. No complaints, however: this was fun entertainment. Royston
Vasey, RIP.

We found a couple of 'Easter Eggs', and from what I've been able to
find, that's all there are. The commentary by the LOG was also pretty
well done, and, as usual with these things, filled in a fair bit of
background.

Christopher

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:47 am
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Barbara Roden wrote:
>
> A few thoughts on three films I've seen recently (and one I will be seeing
> soon):
>
> TIM BURTON'S CORPSE BRIDE
>

This is a modern version of an ancient folklore motif. It will be
interesting to see for myself how well Burton handles it, though based
on your review he seems to handle it quite well.

Kevin L. O'Brien
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:49 am
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Barbara Roden wrote (in part):

> TIM BURTON'S CORPSE BRIDE
>
> Superb stop-motion animation, as you'd expect from the man behind the
> wonderful NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, but this one seemed to lack much of
> the heart that lay behind the first film. <snip>

Gonna try to get out and see Tim Burton's _The Corpse Bride_ tomorrow
evening.

> THE NINTH GATE
>
> Haven't yet read the Perez Reverte novel THE CLUB DUMAS, on which the film
> is based, but have to hope it makes more sense than the film (having read a
> few of the author's other books I suspect it will). It felt like a film that
> had a lot of key bits left out; before it was over I was only really
> half-watching, being more engrossed in a crossword puzzle, which can be
> taken as an indication that I wasn't exactly gripped. And I'm afraid my
> inner nit-picker began to kick in, as I watched all these supposedly
> knowledgeable book people treating pricelessly rare volumes as if they were
> mass-market paperbacks; I half expected someone to fold down a corner of a
> page to mark their place. The horror, the horror. . . .

With respect to Polanski's _The Ninth Gate_: I know this one got
lambasted by both critics and fans alike, but I thought at the time
that it was actually *close* to being a good film -- that it was a film
containing more than a few effective scenes that just didn't cohere
very well. I'm always telling myself that I need to sit down and watch
it again. Just my opinion, of course.

A final bit of movie-related news: picked up _The Val Lewton Horror
Collection_ yesterday and am planning on watching one or more the discs
this evening -- perhaps I'll revisit _I Walked With a Zombie".

Yrs,

Michael
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:43 am
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Barbara Roden wrote:
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> Yes, it looked liked a good film was struggling in there; very frustrating,
> as I have a lot of time for Messrs Polanski and Depp, and Frank Langella
> does a wonderful line in smooth villainy. I'm looking forward to reading the
> book.
>

I thought that movie title sounded familiar, but I couldn't place it
until you mentioned Frank Langella and Jonny Depp. I saw it on the
SciFi channel one afternoon. Of course, as usual, they cut out all the
nudity, but at the end, when Depp's character found the real final
illustration, I'm certain I recognized the visiage of the blond
sidekick as the whore of Babylon. Creepy.

Kevin L. O'Brien
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:02 pm
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Regarding The Ninth Gate, I read the book and it is excellent. It's
extremely clever, and much better than the movie. Roman Polanksi
essentially cut out about half of the book in order to make the movie,
so you'll probably be quite surprised by the book. I won't go into
details so the book won't be ruined for anyone who hasn't read it; I'll
just say it's well worth the time.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:14 pm
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andyandy68 wrote:
> Regarding The Ninth Gate, I read the book and it is excellent. It's
> extremely clever, and much better than the movie. Roman Polanksi
> essentially cut out about half of the book in order to make the movie,
> so you'll probably be quite surprised by the book. I won't go into
> details so the book won't be ruined for anyone who hasn't read it; I'll
> just say it's well worth the time.

I admit to not being familiar with very Perez-Reverte; thanks for the
recommendation.

Yrs,

Michael
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:59 pm
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"smee" <cookmichaelcharles.RemoveThis@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > Haven't yet read the Perez Reverte novel THE CLUB DUMAS, on which the
film
> > is based, but have to hope it makes more sense than the film (having
read a
> > few of the author's other books I suspect it will). It felt like a film
that
> > had a lot of key bits left out; before it was over I was only really
> > half-watching, being more engrossed in a crossword puzzle, which can be
> > taken as an indication that I wasn't exactly gripped. And I'm afraid my
> > inner nit-picker began to kick in, as I watched all these supposedly
> > knowledgeable book people treating pricelessly rare volumes as if they
were
> > mass-market paperbacks; I half expected someone to fold down a corner of
a
> > page to mark their place. The horror, the horror. . . .
>
> With respect to Polanski's _The Ninth Gate_: I know this one got
> lambasted by both critics and fans alike, but I thought at the time
> that it was actually *close* to being a good film -- that it was a film
> containing more than a few effective scenes that just didn't cohere
> very well. I'm always telling myself that I need to sit down and watch
> it again. Just my opinion, of course.

Yes, it looked liked a good film was struggling in there; very frustrating,
as I have a lot of time for Messrs Polanski and Depp, and Frank Langella
does a wonderful line in smooth villainy. I'm looking forward to reading the
book.

> A final bit of movie-related news: picked up _The Val Lewton Horror
> Collection_ yesterday and am planning on watching one or more the discs
> this evening -- perhaps I'll revisit _I Walked With a Zombie".

Yes, I'm dropping hints about this as a potential birthday or Christmas gift
(the two events are only five days apart), along with the KING KONG two-disc
set. I'd love to see BODY SNATCHER and BEDLAM again, and am looking forward
to seeing I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE for the first time. Also hoping to find the
deluxe DVD release of THE PHILADELPHIA STORY in my stocking; it's a movie I
never tire of seeing. They don't make sophisticated comedies like they used
to.

I've seen the trailer for the new version of THE FOG; it looks okay, but I
don't know whether I'll be rushing out to the cinema to see it. I don't mind
remakes, but have such fond memories of the original version that I have
rather mixed feelings about seeing it remade (besides, the remake of THE
HAUNTING is still fresh in my mind; enough said).

The cousin who sent through the links to the 'alternate' film trailers sent
a message today to say that he and his five-year-old son saw the Wallace and
Gromit movie yesterday; brilliant, is his (and Brendan's) opinion, and I
tend to trust Sean in these matters, as we have much the same taste in such
things. Can't wait to see it. From the reviews I've seen, it would appear
that Nick Park might be advised to start clearing space on his mantelpiece
for another Oscar.

Barbara
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:28 pm
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> LEAGUE OF GENTLEMAN'S APOCALYPSE

I discovered LOG thanks to this group and I have the complete LOG box set.
I also received this DVD recently and I saw it halfway (I shouldn't
have started it so late, I was too tired to finish viewing it).
Premature feeling: it's good but not better than the series episodes.
And if you don't know the show then I think that it will be not that
funny. This 'again: premature) comment may seem sour, but I must say
that it's enjoyable (and indeed the giraffe scene is unforgettable),
just that I expected wronbgly an "extra level" of humour.


Tom
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"Tom Alaerts" <camembert.DeleteThis@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
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> > LEAGUE OF GENTLEMAN'S APOCALYPSE
>
> I discovered LOG thanks to this group and I have the complete LOG box set.
> I also received this DVD recently and I saw it halfway (I shouldn't
> have started it so late, I was too tired to finish viewing it).
> Premature feeling: it's good but not better than the series episodes.
> And if you don't know the show then I think that it will be not that
> funny. This 'again: premature) comment may seem sour, but I must say
> that it's enjoyable (and indeed the giraffe scene is unforgettable),
> just that I expected wronbgly an "extra level" of humour.

I think you'll find the extra level of humour comes in as the boundaries
between the three worlds (ours, Royston Vaysey, and the seventeenth century)
become more blurred, and the characters from all three start meeting each
other.

Barbara
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:25 pm
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Barbara Roden wrote:
> A few thoughts on three films I've seen recently (and one I will be seeing
> soon):
>

[...]

> THE NINTH GATE
>
> Haven't yet read the Perez Reverte novel THE CLUB DUMAS, on which the film
> is based, but have to hope it makes more sense than the film (having read a
> few of the author's other books I suspect it will). It felt like a film that
> had a lot of key bits left out; before it was over I was only really
> half-watching, being more engrossed in a crossword puzzle, which can be
> taken as an indication that I wasn't exactly gripped. And I'm afraid my
> inner nit-picker began to kick in, as I watched all these supposedly
> knowledgeable book people treating pricelessly rare volumes as if they were
> mass-market paperbacks; I half expected someone to fold down a corner of a
> page to mark their place. The horror, the horror. . . .
>

I, too, saw a cut down version and had the feeling that it just missed
being good. There were bits and pieces that were quite good, but the
whole didn't cohere.

Let me offer up one for those still fond of space opera ...

This year I managed to see two space operas with the requisit battles
and derring-do, both written by their directors. Only one of them was
worth the price: SERENITY.

You don't need to have seen the TV show ("Firefly") but it would help
add depth to some of the character interaction(s). The action is pretty
fast, the dialog is mostly good -- there are some infodumps, but
mercifully brief -- and the characters are a rag-tag bunch. "Firefly"
has been both praised and knocked as a Western in space; think here a
bit of Huck Finn grown up to become Han Solo but without those annoying
sidekicks, Luke and Leia. And their opposition is, if not as powerful as
Darth, pretty scarey in other ways.

I enjoyed this greatly and would recommend it. What reservations I have
would be summed up as, money. With George Lucus' budget, this would
probably have been even more impressive. On the other hand, it's
impressive as a way of telling a story as economically as possible and
not forgetting little things like, oh, story, character, dialog that
sounds like real people talking, etc., etc., in favor of special effects.


Randy M.
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