Movie visualizations

"Obu Scant" <obuscant.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  > > UNSATISFACTORY
  > > -Treebeard
  > > -Melodramatic Gollum
  > > -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai

All completely satisfactory, thank you.

 >
 > What about the uncertain Gandalf, needs Aragorn's reasurance. "What does
 > your heart tell you?"
 > Not the fearless leader I envisioned.

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"Obu Scant" <obuscant.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > UNSATISFACTORY
  > > -Treebeard
  > > -Melodramatic Gollum
  > > -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai
 >
 > What about the uncertain Gandalf, needs Aragorn's reasurance. "What does
 > your heart tell you?"
 > Not the fearless leader I envisioned.

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Obu Scant <obuscant.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
 > What about the uncertain Gandalf, needs Aragorn's reasurance. "What
 > does your heart tell you?" Not the fearless leader I envisioned.

Gandalf is by no means a fearless leader. He shows much doubt and
uncertainty, but also much wisdom. I would hesitate to say that being
'fearless' is in any sense a good thing.

Christopher

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In article <q4ecnYk8Oogfh1TdUSdV9g.TakeThisOut@ptd.net>,
Obu Scant <obuscant.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> UNSATISFACTORY
  >> -Treebeard
  >> -Melodramatic Gollum
  >> -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai

 >What about the uncertain Gandalf, needs Aragorn's reasurance. "What does
 >your heart tell you?"
 >Not the fearless leader I envisioned.

I thought that was a very effective line in a very effective scene.
But I was rather startled when the preceeding line, which in the
trailer was "How do we know Frodo is alive?", turned into "Do we
know that?" in the actual movie. Did this bother anyone else? For
me it had the effect of a continuity error, even though of course
technically it was no such thing. Now that trailers are available
on the web anyone who is interested in a movie is almost certain
to notice gross differences between the movie and its trailers, so
you'd think they would be careful to make them as consistent as
possible.
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John Brock
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 >
 > SATISFACTORY
 > -Sauron
 > -Orthanc & Saruman
 > -Hobbiton
 > -Cave trolls
 >
 > UNSATISFACTORY
 > -Treebeard
 > -Melodramatic Gollum
 > -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai

SATISFACTORY
-Witch King/Nazgul
-Fell Beasts
-Hobbits in general
-Aragorn
-Gandalf
-All Armor and Weapons
-Gollum
-Dead Marshes

UNSATISFACTORY
-Potato head Orc.
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John Brock wrote:
 > In article <q4ecnYk8Oogfh1TdUSdV9g.TakeThisOut@ptd.net>,
 > Obu Scant <obuscant.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> UNSATISFACTORY
   >>> -Treebeard
   >>> -Melodramatic Gollum
   >>> -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai
 >
  >> What about the uncertain Gandalf, needs Aragorn's reasurance. "What
  >> does your heart tell you?"
  >> Not the fearless leader I envisioned.
 >
 > I thought that was a very effective line in a very effective scene.
 > But I was rather startled when the preceeding line, which in the
 > trailer was "How do we know Frodo is alive?", turned into "Do we
 > know that?" in the actual movie. Did this bother anyone else? For
 > me it had the effect of a continuity error, even though of course
 > technically it was no such thing. Now that trailers are available
 > on the web anyone who is interested in a movie is almost certain
 > to notice gross differences between the movie and its trailers, so
 > you'd think they would be careful to make them as consistent as
 > possible.

Trailers often contain footage not in the final cut of the movie. This is
extremely common because of the timing of the creation of the trailer and
the final print. Nothing new here.

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In article <IREzc.7922$Yr.519@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
Gregg Cattanach <gcattanach-SKIP-.TakeThisOut@prodigy.net> wrote:
 >John Brock wrote:
  >> In article <q4ecnYk8Oogfh1TdUSdV9g.TakeThisOut@ptd.net>,
  >> Obu Scant <obuscant.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

   >>>> UNSATISFACTORY
   >>>> -Treebeard
   >>>> -Melodramatic Gollum
   >>>> -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai

   >>> What about the uncertain Gandalf, needs Aragorn's reasurance. "What
   >>> does your heart tell you?"
   >>> Not the fearless leader I envisioned.

  >> I thought that was a very effective line in a very effective scene.
  >> But I was rather startled when the preceeding line, which in the
  >> trailer was "How do we know Frodo is alive?", turned into "Do we
  >> know that?" in the actual movie. Did this bother anyone else? For
  >> me it had the effect of a continuity error, even though of course
  >> technically it was no such thing. Now that trailers are available
  >> on the web anyone who is interested in a movie is almost certain
  >> to notice gross differences between the movie and its trailers, so
  >> you'd think they would be careful to make them as consistent as
  >> possible.

 >Trailers often contain footage not in the final cut of the movie. This is
 >extremely common because of the timing of the creation of the trailer and
 >the final print. Nothing new here.

Of course. But I think there is a difference between omitting a
scene entirely and doing a memorable scene differently. With an
omitted scene it might occur to you afterwards that "hey, we never
saw Gandalf confronting the Witch King!" But a changed scene is
immediately noticeable, and that can be kind of jarring. I thought
so anyway; didn't you?
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In message <9fed2bda.0406151231.1add1b26 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
berniealonge DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
  > >
  > > SATISFACTORY
  > > -Sauron

Plain awful.

  > > -Orthanc & Saruman

I liked. How does Saruman meet his end in EE? Not falling on a spike I hope.

  > > -Hobbiton

Except for the mountains in the background. "Mountains, Gandalf! I want to
see mountains again!" Then just walk out your front door Bilbo!

  > > -Cave trolls

Needs work.

  > > UNSATISFACTORY
  > > -Treebeard

Looked ok, but it was a mistake to use JR-D as a second major character.

  > > -Melodramatic Gollum

Perhaps, but remember, Gollum is supposed to be annoying.

  > > -Hyperactive Moria goblins, ridiculously angry Uruk-hai

Nah.

 > SATISFACTORY
 > -Witch King/Nazgul

Generally pretty good, except perhaps the armor and helm that the WK used in
the RoTK too resembled that worn by Sauron in the prologue to FoTR (this caused
some confusing in persons I know who had never read the book).

 > -Fell Beasts

Generally.

 > -Hobbits in general

Not sure I agree. Frodo was turned from the "best Hobbit in the Shire" to a
craven and whiney twerp. Sam was good. Merry and Pippin were well acted,
especially Pippin, but Merry gets a bit short changed.

 > -Aragorn

Until he speaketh.

 > -Gandalf

Much better as the Gray than White.

 > -All Armor and Weapons

Didn't like elvish armor or armorment. To dark and forbidding, and what
happened to the "bright" swords? At least in the Prologue to the FoTR, the
Noldorin elves ought to have been brighter and shinier.

 > -Gollum

Generally. Some of the changes made for "dramatic" purposes (like turning
Frodo from Sam) were hokey.

 > -Dead Marshes

Except I more imagined shimmering underwater lights, not little campfires.

 > UNSATISFACTORY
 > -Potato head Orc.

Heh, I liked that one.

 > -The Dead from the paths of the dead.

They were passable, and I suppose I can accept their use at the Pelenor. I
think more shadowy and mysterious would have been a better portrayal though.

Me:

UNSATISFACTORY (understated)

Plot changes!
Liv Tyler (ewwwwwww!)
All the main characters trying out for parts of the Wizard of Oz's Cowardly
Lion.
Hugo Weaving (duh!)
Plot Changes
Galadriel...When she's not radioactive, she acts as if she had a pole shoved up
her a**.
Middle Earth the size of Rhode Island.
No Glamdring (a nit I know, but did we really need to glimpse Hobbitian Trolls
but no Glamdring).
The mighty creek Anduin.
Missed opportunities (like Aragorn's parley on Helm's Dike or was it the
Hornburg).
Stupid Continuity errors (see above about the Shire and mountains or solequays
about the "age of man" coming to and end while haranging hordes of human
armies).
Did I say plot changes?

SATISFACTORY

Um, well, Gimli, I liked Gimli.
The sets were generally good, especially Minas Tirith and the Morannan.
The Party.
And a few other things I do not now have the time to try to remember.

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Michael P. Reed <mgs_7.TakeThisOut@dontspamme.yahoo.com> wrote:
 > UNSATISFACTORY (understated)

 > The mighty creek Anduin.

Just been re-reading the chapter 'The Great River'. Anduin is indeed a
mighty river, and not the little creek in the film. Incidentially, I've
stood on a bridge over the mighty creek Anduin (in one of the locations
used in NZ's North Island), and on a cliff by the mighty creek Anduin
(in another of the locations, down in Queenstown in NZ's South Island).
I could have even gone boating on the Anduin, but ended up going on the
tour to Rohan (there were even llamas there!) and the Ford of Bruinen
(Arrowtown). I even managed to find the Wellington location where Frodo
and the hobbits hide from the Nazgul under a tree. Ahh. Happy memories!


But obviously NZ is so much more than ME. I spent about 2 days out of 13
looking at film locations. So much more to see and do than that.

Christopher

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"Michael P. Reed" <mgs_7.TakeThisOut@dontspamme.yahoo.com> kirjoitti
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 > In message <9fed2bda.0406151231.1add1b26.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>,
 > berniealonge.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
   > > >
   > > > SATISFACTORY
   > > > -Sauron
 >
 > Plain awful.

2nd Age Sauron was ok.

  > > -Fell Beasts
 >
 > Generally.

Failed big time. Flying giant lizards instead of birdlike creatures.

  > > -Hobbits in general
 >
 > Not sure I agree. Frodo was turned from the "best Hobbit in the Shire" to
a
 > craven and whiney twerp. Sam was good. Merry and Pippin were well acted,
 > especially Pippin, but Merry gets a bit short changed.

After Frodo says "Nothing ever dampens your spirit",
Sam does little else but complains endlessly in nagging
voice about everything possible. The weird accents
of Merry and Pippin were annoying as well.

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