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> At the very beginning, during a German bombing raid on London, the
> Pevesie family is running for the bomb shelter when Edmund goes back
> into their house to retrieve a photo of his father. Why doesn't the
> family have some family photos in the bomb shelter to make such risky
> dashes unnecessary?

Air raid shelters were not necessarily secure places. For example,
they might be a subway station or other place underground. It might
not be possible to leave stuff there and have it still be there later.
If you left a framed picture in a subway station, likely when you
came back somebody would have stolen it for the frame. Or the
custodian would have thrown it in the trash bin.

> During the movie, Edmund betrays his siblings to the White Witch, but is
> mistreated by the White Witch and rescued just as she is about to kill
> him. Edmund and Aslan then have a long talk. I bet that Aslan was
> acting in the role of a priest hearing Edmund confess his sins, then
> granting Edmund absolution.

Ok, what follows is the output of an athiest, so take it for what it's
worth. C.S. Lewis is to me a lot like the rules of a fantasy RPG.
While I can appreciate the intellect and the writing skill, and I can
be moved deeply by the emotional content, it's not my theology
that I'm going to spout here.

There's more (if I'm recalling this correctly) in the book. But
basically,
Aslan is sad at Edmund, and some more stuff
happens. It's C.S. Lewis and his take on guilt and redemption.
If this stuff interests you, you may enjoy reading the book that the
movie is loosely based on. And you may also enjoy the rest of the
Narnia chronicles. It might be the biggest thing left out of the
book when the movie was made, and leaves a lot out of the
character of Aslan and the events with Edmund.

But Aslan is supposed to be the Narnia version of a Christ
figure. He does not offer absolution to Edmund the way a
priest does. A priest is a go-between for man and God.
Aslan was the real deal, and took the sin (betrayal) onto
Himself. It was not absolution the way a priest does it,
say so many Hail Mary prayers, do an act of contrition,
and drop so much cash in the poor box and you are washed.
No, it was Aslan taking the sin out of Edmund, and going
to the stone table with it. And Edmund realizing what he
had just experienced, and how big a deal it really was.

The point was, in Christian theology, each person is supposed
to have this personal relationship with Christ. It's not supposed
to be just putting a quarter in the swear jar on Sundays. The
idea is that you don't get free of the consequences of sin any
other way than loading them on Christ and Him taking them
to the cross for you. The priest is there to guide you, but you
don't get out from under the load because he absolves you.
And you don't get out by sacrificing some trival thing like
some cash or some of your own time.

You get out from under the load because Jesus carries it.

There's also just heaps of other stuff mixed in there, references
and borrowed symbols and stuff.

If you are the kind of person who is really interested in this stuff,
C.S. Lewis wrote quite a bit on it, both as dramatic fiction and
as non-fiction. He was one of the top writers of Apologetics.

> How did Aslan decide on the adjectives for Peter (Magnificent), Edmund
> (Just), Susan (Gentle), and Lucy (Valiant) at the very beginning of
> their reigns?

He's very smart.

> As the children grew up, how were their crowns expanded to fit their
> growing heads?

There are these people who work with metal. Or did you mean
you thought they grew up in the time it actually took in the movie?

Heh heh. A friend told me about his kids watching The Lion King.
The kids were a bit young for the movie. In the scene where the
young Simba grows up, there's just this profile of a young lion
between the warthog and the meercat. Then there's the same
profile of a grown up lion in the same spot. And then there's
the grown up lion playing the same games with the warthog
and the meercat. And the kids want to know "Where's Simba?"
Socks
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puppet_sock.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:

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> > At the very beginning, during a German bombing raid on London, the
> > Pevesie family is running for the bomb shelter when Edmund goes back
> > into their house to retrieve a photo of his father. Why doesn't the
> > family have some family photos in the bomb shelter to make such risky
> > dashes unnecessary?
>
> Air raid shelters were not necessarily secure places. For example,
> they might be a subway station or other place underground. It might
> not be possible to leave stuff there and have it still be there later.
> If you left a framed picture in a subway station, likely when you
> came back somebody would have stolen it for the frame. Or the
> custodian would have thrown it in the trash bin.

The shelter seemed to be in their yard, and I thought that it was their
personal shelter, in which they could have stored family pictures.

> > As the children grew up, how were their crowns expanded to fit their
> > growing heads?
>
> There are these people who work with metal. Or did you mean
> you thought they grew up in the time it actually took in the movie?

I saw them grown up and chasing a white stag at the end of the movie, yet
their crowns still fit them.
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I have a question. Why are you such a nit-picking ass-wipe?
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Brion K. Lienhart wrote:

> I have a question. Why are you such a nit-picking ass-wipe?

He might have Asperger's. What's your excuse?
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As per a discussion in another thread, the rules of a Fantasy world can
be completely made up, even changed on the fly. (Although good authors
playing fair with their readers don't do the latter.)

It doesn't have to be logical, it just has to have emotional resonance.
Narnia fits squarely into this mold. You can't start pulling at the
loose threads, because it falls apart if you do that. It's just an
adventure story for kids, and it doesn't make much sense.

For instance, if it's been winter for 100 years, why is the snow only a
few inches deep? Even if it doesn't snow much in that century, where
do the Narnians get their food? But that stuff is beside the point;
it's all about the rousing adventure and feel-good vibes.

Doug
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<puppet_sock DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Heh heh. A friend told me about his kids watching The Lion King.
> The kids were a bit young for the movie. In the scene where the
> young Simba grows up, there's just this profile of a young lion
> between the warthog and the meercat. Then there's the same
> profile of a grown up lion in the same spot. And then there's
> the grown up lion playing the same games with the warthog
> and the meercat. And the kids want to know "Where's Simba?"

See that big lion? He ate Simba.
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trike wrote:

> As per a discussion in another thread, the rules of a Fantasy world can
> be completely made up, even changed on the fly. (Although good authors
> playing fair with their readers don't do the latter.)
>
> It doesn't have to be logical, it just has to have emotional resonance.
> Narnia fits squarely into this mold. You can't start pulling at the
> loose threads, because it falls apart if you do that. It's just an
> adventure story for kids, and it doesn't make much sense.
>
> For instance, if it's been winter for 100 years, why is the snow only a
> few inches deep? Even if it doesn't snow much in that century, where
> do the Narnians get their food? But that stuff is beside the point;
> it's all about the rousing adventure and feel-good vibes.

I hadn't thought to wonder about the depth of the snow!
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In article <4436ECD6.24264198.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>puppet_sock@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> > As the children grew up, how were their crowns expanded to fit their
>> > growing heads?
>>
>> There are these people who work with metal. Or did you mean
>> you thought they grew up in the time it actually took in the movie?
>
>I saw them grown up and chasing a white stag at the end of the movie, yet
>their crowns still fit them.

They didn't magically become older; they were older because they'd
lived in Narnia for years and years. Just as when Lucy was away
for hours and no time passed on Earth, the four children were away
for years and still no time passed on Earth. Presumably during that
time the crowns were reworked to be bigger, or else new ones were made.

--
David Goldfarb |"You will know pain."
goldfarb.TakeThisOut@ocf.berkeley.edu | "And you will know fear."
goldfarb.TakeThisOut@csua.berkeley.edu |"And then you will die. Have a pleasant flight."
| -- Babylon 5, "The Parliament of Dreams"
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David Goldfarb wrote:

> In article <4436ECD6.24264198.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >puppet_sock@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> Tim Bruening wrote:
> >> > As the children grew up, how were their crowns expanded to fit their
> >> > growing heads?
> >>
> >> There are these people who work with metal. Or did you mean
> >> you thought they grew up in the time it actually took in the movie?
> >
> >I saw them grown up and chasing a white stag at the end of the movie, yet
> >their crowns still fit them.
>
> They didn't magically become older; they were older because they'd
> lived in Narnia for years and years. Just as when Lucy was away
> for hours and no time passed on Earth, the four children were away
> for years and still no time passed on Earth. Presumably during that
> time the crowns were reworked to be bigger, or else new ones were made.

How and why did they become children again when they returned through the
wardrobe?
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> writes:

> How and why did they become children again when they returned through the
> wardrobe?

A band of angry dwarves turned up off-screen. They had not been paid
for making the crowns bigger and they felt that they would be
misrepresented in a later book.

So, just in spite, they chopped the kings and queens down to
child-size, stole their clothes and killed the horses.

The children, seeing that they were now naked, designed and
implemented a complete phone network, using only bio-degradable
materials, called Cair Paravel and said "bring us our ancient
clothing!"

A flock of eagles were dispatched, carrying the clothes to the (now)
children.

The children put on the clothes and said "Whew. _Now_, let's go back
to Cair Paravel" and then accidentally stumbled out of the wardrobe.

Of course, the Inklings berated Lewis for sillyness, and he cut the 28
chapters dealing with this from the book. The answer nowadays is
instead "Magic. Editorial magic."

--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o
The RockBear. ((^))
I speak only 0}._.{0
for myself. O/ \O
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Tim Bruening wrote:
> David Goldfarb wrote:
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> > In article <4436ECD6.24264198 RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
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> > >I saw them grown up and chasing a white stag at the end of the movie, yet
> > >their crowns still fit them.
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> > They didn't magically become older; they were older because they'd
> > lived in Narnia for years and years. Just as when Lucy was away
> > for hours and no time passed on Earth, the four children were away
> > for years and still no time passed on Earth. Presumably during that
> > time the crowns were reworked to be bigger, or else new ones were made.
>
> How and why did they become children again when they returned through the
> wardrobe?

Because no time passed on Earth while they were in Narnia. That bit,
at least, is internally consistent.

Doug
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Easter Egg: After McReady brings the children to the mansion, she tells
them that Professor Kirke is not used to having children in the house!
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After Aslan dies, Susan and Lucy tell the trees to inform Peter and Edmund.
A female sounding tree does so, and in the next scene, Peter says "She's
right, he's gone". Did Peter go to the Stone Table to verify Aslan's death,
or did he simply send a griffin to check? In either case, why didn't Peter
or the griffin tell Susan and Lucy to come back to camp?
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