Nicieza X-Force returns in September!

"Marc-Oliver Frisch" <Derschwarm RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
 > In fairness, though, he did manage to pencil six consecutive issues of
 > CAPTAIN AMERICA once upon a time, at the same time drawing about an
 > issue's worth of AVENGERS pages as well.
 >
 > That was in 1996, admittedly, but hey.

Heroes Reborn Cap? If you look at the art in it, you can see
how he managed. :p

Surely every woman washes dishes by standing as if they are being
arrested. (Legs apart, leaning forward with hands on the hood of
the car.) It takes effort to actually walk to the sink, so why not
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Ralf Haring wrote:
   >>>> Thank you, Fabian. Thank you so much. I have faith in you.
   >>>
   >>> Do you buy HAWKEYE and CABLE/DEADPOOL?
  >>
  >> Yes. Although I'm not enjoying HAWKEYE because of its whole no-costume,
  >> real-world take. I can't imagine Fabian taking that road with X-FORCE.
 >
 > Because without costumes, it's *completely* impossible to tell
 > Liefeld-drawn characters apart.

Well, you can distinguish the sex. That's all that matters, right?
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Samy Merchi wrote:
   >>> As much as I love Nicieza and these characters...Liefeld is a deal
   >>> breaker,
   >>> Sorry Fabian.
  >>
  >> I'd settle for stick-figure theatre.
 >
 > I've a suggestion for you guys. If you really love Nicieza and the
 > characters, do the following:
 >
 > * get a whole bunch of plain white paper.
 > * open #1, first page
 > * lay a paper over the page
 > * cut out parts where the word balloons are so they show
 > * glue the paper to the page
 > * draw your own stick figures to accompany the word balloons!!!
 >
 >
 >
 > I can do it for you if it'll get you to buy the book.

We'd still get shafted. Pay for a book and get half the story?

(or are you still offering to buy the book for us?)

Hmm... and what's it cost for us to mail Finland (isn't that where you are)?
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"Dan McEwen" <dannyboymcny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > "Brian Doyle" <No_spam RemoveThis @freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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 > You loathe that more than what the writer who _killed_ Doug turned that
 > book into? I hated most everything about that book after Claremont
 > left, and killing Doug and Illyana didn't help one bit.

This is true, the rot had set in well before XF, but it was a singular
irritating disembowelling of a concept.

 > I guess you'd rather the no-frills New Mutants we have now?

I keep trying to get into that, but it just doesn't grab me. It seems to
mean well, but it's been too long a set up, not enough of a payoff with the
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Donnacha DeLong wrote :
  >> That said, he says he already has 3 done, and the comic's not coming
  >> out 'till September.

Forgive my cynicism, but what Rob says and what is the truth are frequently
very dissimilar things...
He also says he's done three of twelve, while Marvel say the series is 6-8
issues, so someone somewhere hasn't done their sums, or is just talking
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The Black Guardian wrote :
  >> Ralf Haring wrote:
   >>>>>> Thank you, Fabian. Thank you so much. I have faith in you.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Do you buy HAWKEYE and CABLE/DEADPOOL?
   >>>>
   >>>> Yes. Although I'm not enjoying HAWKEYE because of its whole
   >>>> no-costume, real-world take. I can't imagine Fabian taking that
   >>>> road with X-FORCE.
   >>>
   >>> Because without costumes, it's *completely* impossible to tell
   >>> Liefeld-drawn characters apart.
  >>
  >> Well, you can distinguish the sex. That's all that matters, right?

Yes, his women have *slightly* larger busts than his top heavy men do <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Dan McEwen (dannyboymcny@hotmail.com) wrote:
: yu239006.RemoveThis@yorku.ca (Peter Dimitriadis) wrote in
: news:c3kn53$qbh$1@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca:
:
: > Samy Merchi (samy@iki.fi) wrote:
: > No comment on X-Force itself. They've never really done anything for
: > me, though I didn't really read it much, I was annoyed at Cable and
: > New Mutants being dismantled for it. Nicieza's done some work I've
: > liked before though, with the likes of Psi-Force, so I'll probably
: > give it a shot for that. However...
:
: New Mutants had already kind of lost its way when it left the school. I
: think turning them into X-Force actually gave them a purpose they hadn't
: had since Claremont left. (OK, technically a bit later, but I never
: cared for those Simonson issues.) I'm not sure how Cable was
: "dismantled" since Liefeld created him in the pages of New Mutants,
: turned him into their leader in the same book, and then proceded to use
: him in the book that came out of it. And Psi-Force _was_ great. It was
: my favorite of the New Universe titles.

I still have to give the nod to DP7, but Psi-Force came in second.

Also, sorry, I worded that poorly.

I was annoyed at Cable.

I was also annoyed at the dismantling of the New Mutants to make way for
X-Force.

I never liked Cable at all. This was around the time I slowly dropped out
of comics altogether, and I kinda rolled my eyes at Cable, not finding any
interest in him at all. My opinion of him really hasn't changed any.

While the time immediately before New Mutants was rebooted was pretty bad
too, I liked the title and I wanted it to remain, I didn't want them to go
all militant and most of the characters being replaced by a bunch of new
ones. I would rather have gotten a new writer on the book and have it
remain as it was. Or even if they had to change names (which I can sort
of understand from a business standpoint), to get a different writer for
it and remain New Mutants in spirit.

Peter Dimitriadis
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:10:01 +0000, Paul O'Brien
<paul.DeleteThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:

 >In message <405e2a92$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Donnacha DeLong
 ><donnacha.DeleteThis@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> writes
  >>
  >>That said, he says he already has 3 done, and the comic's not coming
  >>out 'till September.
 >
 >Well, Liefeld says a lot of things.
 >
 >Seriously - the man's track record on this sort of thing is appalling.

Which, as others are pointing out, is a bit of an additional selling
point as far as I'm concerned.

I want more X-Force, and I'm looking forward to this - but with
Liefeld as something to be just borne with, rather than *wanted* on
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:10:45 +0000, Paul O'Brien
<paul RemoveThis @SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:

 >In message <20040322013450.26284.00000150 RemoveThis @mb-m23.aol.com>, The Black
 >Guardian <blakgard RemoveThis @aol.coma.org> writes
  >>
  >>I'd settle for stick-figure theatre.
 >
 >Well, it's not going to be that far off.

Well, as far as women's ankles and waists are concerned maybe...

Stick figures with balloons attached?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Billy Bissette wrote:

: Heroes Reborn Cap? If you look at the art in it, you can see
: how he managed. :p
:
: Surely every woman washes dishes by standing as if they are being
: arrested. (Legs apart, leaning forward with hands on the hood of
: the car.) It takes effort to actually walk to the sink, so why not
: lean towards it while you stand two feet away? :p

Well, they did turn out to be robots in the next issue, didn't they?

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:00:45 -0000, "Brian Doyle"
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 >
 >"Donnacha DeLong" <donnacha.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in message
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  >> "Paul O'Brien" <paul.TakeThisOut@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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   >> >
   >> > No. Never gonna happen. This is the man who produces, what, 22 pages
   >> > of Youngblood a year? Got kicked off Cable after something like five
   >> > issues last time round... didn't last much longer on Wolverine?
   >> >
   >> > Nah. It'll implode. It's Rob Liefeld project, they always do. If a
   >> > comic actually appears, it'll be wholly secondary to the backstage
   >> > chaos, which will be infinitely more interesting.
   >> >
  >> That said, he says he already has 3 done, and the comic's not coming out
 >'till
  >> September. Wanna bet the contract says the whole thing has to be done
 >before
  >> the first issue comes out?
 >
 >I've never been able to understand how someone whose work is quite so
 >amateurish looking (I'm sure there's a better word for it than that, but to
 >me not being able to draw feet, or any bust smaller than 42 DDD should be
 >considered to be amateurish) can take so long to draw it.
 >

Perhaps the better 'phrase' to use might be, "There is nothing more
destructive than doing the wrong thing well." Some things Rob can do
pretty well, but other things seem to be horrible--made even more so
by the fact that he seems pretty damn good at making them look so bad.

Personally, looking at the few images at the link, I think Rob is a
decent enough artist, I've seen a lot better being published and a lot
worse. The pin-up image looks bad, IMO, but the two comic page images
of Sam and Cable/Shatterstar seem pretty good for Rob. I'll probably
mark myself by saying this, but in the early 90s I was a big Rob fan
(a comment which instantly has folks saying, "Okay, your opinion on
artwork is no longer relevant."), but I also think the Brett Blevins
was a decent enough artist (Again, "Your opinion on artwork is no
longer relevant.") on the NM before Rob came along if only because his
somewhat goofy style seemed to fit with the NM, IMO.

I think Rob falls into the catagory of "If they were just a LITTLE
better, they'd be a LOT better." If Rob could pull back a bit on the
proportions (and draw muscles smaller than basketballs), then I'm
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On 22 Mar 2004 04:51:30 GMT, Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

 >You definitely echo my thoughts on this one, Samy. Whatever bad stuff
 >there is to say about Liefeld's work, he still created what was one of
 >my favorite action books of the 90's, and he definitely improved the New
 >Mutants over what it had been under Simonson/Blevins. Besides, it's
 >easier to keep him focused on a limited series than an ongoing.

Ummm...does the phrase "Youngblood: Bloodsport" mean anything to you?
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 > Samy, I loves ya, and I'm a big Nicieza fan, but I'm highly doubtful to be
 > picking this one up. I almost am not bothering with Cable/Deadpool
because
 > Liefeld is just doing *covers*. 22 pages of art, monthly? I don't think
I can
 > take the malformities, the handy glows and rubble and clutter to obscure
feet,
 > the goofy leather earmuff headresses, the grimacing, and the bad panel
 > flow/composition.
 >
 > People need to stop buying stuff he works on so he'll stop getting work,
 > because Marvel keeps seeing he increases sales, however briefly, and think
he's
 > great for sales. Not me, nuh uh.
 >
 > I wish it all the best of luck, and if it comes back as an ongoing with a
 > different artist, I'll probably be there.
 >
 > Unless it's some manga style guy.
 >

I actually don't think this is a bad idea at all. For starters, it's only a
mini-series. It's got Fabian, which is always a plus in my book. It also
brings back a few x-characters who've been in character limbo for a long
while, and lets us know where they are right now. The only negative is Rob,
and I've kind of grown fond of him over the years. Yeah, he sucks, but he
just keeps on going and going, despite his lack of talent and his legion of
naysayers.. You've gotta admire that persistence! Finally, I quite enjoyed
early X-Force. It wasn't high art, low art, or any kind of art. But it was
certainly exciting, and energetic, and it just oozed with the enthusiasm
that the creators had for it. It's something of a guilty pleasure.

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