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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:31 pm
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The last Night Mail has run.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3382141.stm

It's impossible not to think back to 1936 and the film.

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/documentary/filmography/003.html

It's also (I've found) hard to ascend Beattock without quoting the
poem:

http://www.newearth.demon.co.uk/poems/lyric206.htm

and hearing in your mind Britten's wonderful score with its occasional
approaches to musique concrète.

John Grierson spoke of 'the creative treatment of actuality' in
documentaries, and in that spirit *Night Mail* deserves a place beside
*The Road to Wigan Pier*.

Tom

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:15 am
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Tom Deveson wrote:

 > The last Night Mail has run.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3382141.stm</font" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3382141.stm</font</a>>
 >
 > It's impossible not to think back to 1936 and the film.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/documentary/filmography/003.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/documentary/filmography/003.html</font</a>>
 >
 > It's also (I've found) hard to ascend Beattock without quoting the
 > poem:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.newearth.demon.co.uk/poems/lyric206.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.newearth.demon.co.uk/poems/lyric206.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > and hearing in your mind Britten's wonderful score with its occasional
 > approaches to musique concrète.
 >
 > John Grierson spoke of 'the creative treatment of actuality' in
 > documentaries, and in that spirit *Night Mail* deserves a place beside
 > *The Road to Wigan Pier*.
 >
 > Tom

Thanks. Also happy new year and welcome back.

/M<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:50 am
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"Tom Deveson" <all.DeleteThis@devesons.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<btms07$fgt$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>...
 > The last Night Mail has run.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3382141.stm</font" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3382141.stm</font</a>>
 >
 > It's impossible not to think back to 1936 and the film.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/documentary/filmography/003.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.britmovie.co.uk/genres/documentary/filmography/003.html</font</a>>
 >
 > It's also (I've found) hard to ascend Beattock without quoting the
 > poem:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.newearth.demon.co.uk/poems/lyric206.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.newearth.demon.co.uk/poems/lyric206.htm</font</a>>
 >
 > and hearing in your mind Britten's wonderful score with its occasional
 > approaches to musique concrète.
 >
 > John Grierson spoke of 'the creative treatment of actuality' in
 > documentaries, and in that spirit *Night Mail* deserves a place beside
 > *The Road to Wigan Pier*.
 >
 > Tom

It's a great imaginative documentary that Night Mail.

In a similar vein, Listen to Britain (1942)is one that's well worth a
watch. Interesting for several things: its depiction of Britain at
war, apparently all united as one; its emphasis upon the wider
community of the English speaking world; and the aural montage it puts
across.

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.britishfilm.org.uk/XQ/asp/art.thirdcinema/page.8/QX/page.htm" target="_blank">http://www.britishfilm.org.uk/XQ/asp/art.thirdcinema/page.8/QX/page.htm</a>

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.netribution.co.uk/features/essays/grierson_jennings.html" target="_blank">http://www.netribution.co.uk/features/essays/grierson_jennings.html</a>

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:21 pm
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Nigee wrote:

 >
 >
 > It's a great imaginative documentary that Night Mail.
 >
 > In a similar vein, Listen to Britain (1942)is one that's well worth a
 > watch. Interesting for several things: its depiction of Britain at
 > war, apparently all united as one; its emphasis upon the wider
 > community of the English speaking world; and the aural montage it puts
 > across.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.britishfilm.org.uk/XQ/asp/art.thirdcinema/page.8/QX/page.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.britishfilm.org.uk/XQ/asp/art.thirdcinema/page.8/QX/page.htm</font</a>>
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.netribution.co.uk/features/essays/grierson_jennings.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.netribution.co.uk/features/essays/grierson_jennings.html</font</a>>
 >
 > N

Interesting in the second page:

"...This was perhaps the first time the British viewer had seen the poverty and living conditions of the
working class. ..."

The writer must think of "the British viewer" as someone who doesn't personally live in such conditions. Even
considering that the cost of television sets might have made the typical "British viewer" a prosperous one,
it's odd: as though "the working class" were some kind of little-known minority subcategory of the country.
Wouldn't they have been its majority?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:06 pm
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Martha Bridegam <bridegam.DeleteThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<4001BE4D.19C59C0F.DeleteThis@pacbell.net>...
 > Nigee wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >
  > > It's a great imaginative documentary that Night Mail.
  > >
  > > In a similar vein, Listen to Britain (1942)is one that's well worth a
  > > watch. Interesting for several things: its depiction of Britain at
  > > war, apparently all united as one; its emphasis upon the wider
  > > community of the English speaking world; and the aural montage it puts
  > > across.
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.britishfilm.org.uk/XQ/asp/art.thirdcinema/page.8/QX/page.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.britishfilm.org.uk/XQ/asp/art.thirdcinema/page.8/QX/page.htm</font</a>>
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.netribution.co.uk/features/essays/grierson_jennings.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.netribution.co.uk/features/essays/grierson_jennings.html</font</a>>
  > >
  > > N
 >
 > Interesting in the second page:
 >
 > "...This was perhaps the first time the British viewer had seen the poverty and living conditions of the
 > working class. ..."
 >
 > The writer must think of "the British viewer" as someone who doesn't personally live in such conditions. Even
 > considering that the cost of television sets might have made the typical "British viewer" a prosperous one,
 > it's odd: as though "the working class" were some kind of little-known minority subcategory of the country.
 > Wouldn't they have been its majority?
 >

Yes, there is a kind of dichotomy, but you have to remember that in
the early days of BBC broadcasting newsreaders were required to wear
black tie evening dress to read the news on the RADIO, so there was a
tremendous sense that broadcasting was a terrifically formal medium
and, as such, the property of the educated classes. If you didn't
speak properly, hold your knife and fork properly, and own a black tie
getup, there was no media career for you. Orwell, was, of course, an
honorable exception who kicked agains many of these conventions in
speech, dress, and use of the knife at the table. Also remember the
anecdote about Orwell drinking tea from his saucer in the BBC canteen,
to the shock of all.

This seems bizarre looked at from 70 years down the pike, but actually
the current US political situation has some similarities, being one in
which most politicians almost totally disregard the points of view of
working class people as if they did not exist.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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