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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:47 pm
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This story concerns the planet Kalgash, which is lit by six suns: The
primary Onos (yellow), Trey (white), Patru (white), Trano (white, I
think), Sitha (also white, I think), and Dovim (small and red). Since
all of Kalgash is always in sunlight, the people of Kalgash are
unfamiliar with darkness and are therefore extremely frightened of it.
Even 15 minutes of darkness (as demonstrated by a Tunnel of Darkness at
the Jonglor Centennial Exposition) is enough rattle any Kalgashian, and
cause many to go insane.

Unbeknownst to most Kalgashians, Kalgash has a satellite (dubbed
"Kalgash Two" by the astronomers who discover it by noting its
gravitational effects on Kalgash's orbit). The light from Kalgash Two
is drowned out by the light from the six suns, so no one sees it.
However, every 2,049 years, Kalgash Two eclipse Dovim, on a day when
Dovim is the only sun in its hemisphere (the other five are on the other
side of Kalgash). At that time, Kalgash Two is at perigee, and Dovim is
at its greatest distance from Kalgash, so Kalgash Two has seven times
Dovim's apparent diameter. As a result, Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim for
over half a day, exposing all of Kalgash to Darkness and causing tens of
thousands of Stars to become visible. The combination of the Darkness
and the Stars drives everyone mad! The Kalgashians, in a desperate need
for light, burn down all their cities, plunging their societies into
barbarism. This cycle has happened at least 7 times, according to
archeological records. Its about to happen again. A fundamentalist
religious group known at "The Apostles of Flame" has been trying to warn
people of the coming disaster, but they come off as religious fanatics,
so few people listen. When a group of scientists discovers the coming
disaster and tries to warn the world, they too are considered crazy,
tarred by association with the Apostles' preachings of doom unless the
people repent their sins. Thus, the people in general don't make
preparations, and go nuts when the eclipse hits.

Nits: When Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim, the other five suns are on the
other side of Kalgash from Kalgash Two. Shouldn't light from those suns
light up Kalgash Two, and enough of it reflect off to relieve the
Darkness?

Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.

The book uses equivalent English terms for Kalgashian units of distance
and time. Thus, the Kalgashian mile is roughly equivalent to the Earth
mile, and the Kalgashian hour is roughly equivalent to the Earth hour.

Page 151 of hardback version: An astronomer named Beenay 25 gives the
speed of light as 185,000 Kalgashian miles per Kalgashian HOUR, as
opposed to the Earth figure of 186,282 Earth miles per Earth SECOND.
The Kalgashian figure would seem to be impossible unless Kalgash is in a
universe where the speed of light is 3,600 times slower than in our
universe.

I wonder why Kalgashian names have numbers at the ends.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:42 pm
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:47:06 -0800 in rec.arts.sf.written, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote,
>Nits: When Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim, the other five suns are on the
>other side of Kalgash from Kalgash Two. Shouldn't light from those suns
>light up Kalgash Two, and enough of it reflect off to relieve the
>Darkness?

Maybe, but it sounds like those folks have really poor night vision.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:04 am
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David Harmon wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:47:06 -0800 in rec.arts.sf.written, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote,
> >Nits: When Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim, the other five suns are on the
> >other side of Kalgash from Kalgash Two. Shouldn't light from those suns
> >light up Kalgash Two, and enough of it reflect off to relieve the
> >Darkness?
>
> Maybe, but it sounds like those folks have really poor night vision.

Shouldn't a lot of light reach Kalgash 2 from Onos (Dovim, and therefore
Kalgash 2 seem to be more northerly than Onos, so light from Onos should miss
Kalgash and hit Kalgash 2, then reflect back down to Kalgash to keep the
people sane. Also, Kalgash 2 at that time would look pretty big, being 7
times the apparent size of Dovim, so should be able to reflect a lot of
light).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:25 am
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Note: "Nightfall" is (or was; I've never read the "expanded version")
essentially a short story based on the idea of how a culture might
react to the stars being visible "once in a thousand years". You might
be asking for a *lot* more hard science here than the story has any
reason to offer...

On Nov 22, 1:47 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru... RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> The light from Kalgash Two is drowned out by the light from the six
> suns, so no one sees it.

Which seems remarkably unlikely, as you can see our Moon in daylight
even when it is close to the Sun, and certainly when it is well
removed from it. In 2,049 years, there should be many *many* times
there are only one or two "suns" in the sky. The phases might be
rather remarkable at times too.

> However, every 2,049 years, Kalgash Two eclipse Dovim, on a day when
> Dovim is the only sun in its hemisphere (the other five are on the other
> side of Kalgash). At that time, Kalgash Two is at perigee, and Dovim is
> at its greatest distance from Kalgash, so Kalgash Two has seven times
> Dovim's apparent diameter. As a result, Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim for
> over half a day, exposing all of Kalgash to Darkness and causing tens of
> thousands of Stars to become visible.

Hmm. Not that I can see. One side of the planet is lit by five "suns",
one side is lit by one dim red sun that goes into eclipse. That would
mean at best half the planet goes into eclipse. For the eclipse to
last for "more than half a day" you've got to have a *very* slow-
moving moon... but you've specified it's at pericentron to get maximum
apparent angular diameter, so it is moving at it's fastest. The star
may have a tiny angular diameter relative to the Moon, but for the
eclipse to last anywhere for more than half a day implies the moon can
move no more than one moon diameter in one day, which would seem to
be... very slow. And this is ignoring the fact that an eclipse usually
doesn't cover the entire hemisphere... and certainly couldn't cover a
whole hemisphere for the whole time.

> Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.

I don't know about the extended version. The original version doesn't
have electricity (which makes the entire situation much more
believable). Also consider that if you are a culture that is terrified
to the point of mental instability by darkness, and who's planet never
has night, it would seem to me that flashlights and streetlights would
be rather unlikely to be invented. And if culturally you *have* gone
so far as to create those things, you'd have a rather good cultural
grasp on darkness anyway

> I wonder why Kalgashian names have numbers at the ends.

Because it sounds "alien"?

I notice in the Wikipedia article they mention that there are not a
lot of distances specified. It really sounds like there's not enough
information to construct the orbital mechanics in detail... perhaps
for a very good reason.

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:47:06 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>Nits: When Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim, the other five suns are on the
>other side of Kalgash from Kalgash Two. Shouldn't light from those suns
>light up Kalgash Two, and enough of it reflect off to relieve the
>Darkness?

I guess they needed more.

>
>Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
>scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
>powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
>the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.

If they'd invented the electric light, which they hadn't.
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:47:06 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >Nits: When Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim, the other five suns are on the
> >other side of Kalgash from Kalgash Two. Shouldn't light from those suns
> >light up Kalgash Two, and enough of it reflect off to relieve the
> >Darkness?
>
> I guess they needed more.
>
> >
> >Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> >scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> >powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> >the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
>
> If they'd invented the electric light, which they hadn't.

Everyone had battery powered "Godlights" in their bedrooms, and I saw
mention of
lightbulbs in the Sanctuary the scientists had set up, and mention of
the lights
going out if the power plants and transmission lines got destroyed
during Darkness
triggered riots, and one of the characters getting a flashlight shone
in her face.
This indicates that the Kalgashians DID have electric lights!
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:31:09 GMT, David Johnston <david.DeleteThis@block.net>
wrote:

>>Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
>>scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
>>powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
>>the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
>
>If they'd invented the electric light, which they hadn't.

Obviously they must not have underground mines.
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Tim Bruening <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>This story concerns the planet Kalgash, which is lit by six suns: The
>primary Onos (yellow), Trey (white), Patru (white), Trano (white, I
>think), Sitha (also white, I think), and Dovim (small and red). Since
>all of Kalgash is always in sunlight, the people of Kalgash are
>unfamiliar with darkness and are therefore extremely frightened of it.
>Even 15 minutes of darkness (as demonstrated by a Tunnel of Darkness at
>the Jonglor Centennial Exposition) is enough rattle any Kalgashian, and
>cause many to go insane.
[Snips]

I, probably like many in one or more of these newsgroups
(mn.humor???!!!???!!!, I suspect not a hotbed of Asimov/SF fans),
have never read "Nightfall: Expanded Version By Isaac Asimov &
Robert Silverberg"; for me under the theory that IA had done
pretty good with the original story and the addition of
Silverbob's hands probably did not bode well for the "Expanded
Version." IME (50+ years and counting in reading SF) , fooling
around with existing works in any genre by expanding them, adding
a "co-author" or two, etc., rarely result in a new work that
isn't a total POS. (Don't get me started on transitions of SF
stories and novel{ette, la}s to film. Follywood has a dismal
track record in this.)

I would have appreciated it if you would have contrasted how the
original "Nightfall" story handled or did not handle the items
you have identified in your post.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:43 pm
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In article <474525EA.4BF6BDA4.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, on Wed, 21 Nov 2007
22:47:06 -0800, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> says...

> Nits:

> Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.

Simply? I can imagine some good reasons for lack of city lights on a
planet with no night. Or why people might not take the warning "stay
indoors or go insane" seriously.

Also, I was under the impression that the philosophical implications of
the stars (universe is a lot bigger than you thought) was a major
factor.

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:43 pm
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Juho Julkunen wrote:

> In article <474525EA.4BF6BDA4.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, on Wed, 21 Nov 2007
> 22:47:06 -0800, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> says...
>
> > Nits:
>
> > Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> > scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> > powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> > the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
>
> Simply? I can imagine some good reasons for lack of city lights on a
> planet with no night. Or why people might not take the warning "stay
> indoors or go insane" seriously.

I believe that a major point in both the original story and the expanded
novel is that the Apostles' efforts to mitigate the disaster were
undermined by their emphasis on fire and brimstone sermons, such as
Mondior 71 saying on page 110 of the hardback novel "Nothing can save
the world from the wrath of the gods, nothing except a willingness to
abandon sin, to give up evil, to devote oneself to the path of virtue
and righteousness". Their fire and brimstone speeches alienated many
people who might otherwise have listened to them.

A suggestion for the Apostles: Tell everyone that the gods want them to
stay indoors during the time of Darkness and surround themselves with
plenty of lights.

Another point of interest: At the end of the expanded story, former
reporter Theremon agrees to help the Apostles take over and rebuild
society. He explains to his girlfriend that the Apostles are the only
group that can govern the planet and keep the Darkness traumatized
people under control via religion. The Apostles had already taken
control of much of Saros, protected from the rioters their section of
Saros city, had a large supply of working trucks, and were planning to
restore TV transmissions within a few weeks. I am optimistic that by
the time of the next eclipse, Kalgash will have interstellar space
ships! I wonder how the Kalgashians will be able to colonize planets
that have regular periods of darkness!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:02 am
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Brian Davis wrote:
> Note: "Nightfall" is (or was; I've never read the "expanded version")
> essentially a short story based on the idea of how a culture might
> react to the stars being visible "once in a thousand years". You might
> be asking for a *lot* more hard science here than the story has any
> reason to offer...
>
> On Nov 22, 1:47 am, Tim Bruening <tsbru....DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > The light from Kalgash Two is drowned out by the light from the six
> > suns, so no one sees it.
>
> Which seems remarkably unlikely, as you can see our Moon in daylight
> even when it is close to the Sun, and certainly when it is well
> removed from it. In 2,049 years, there should be many *many* times
> there are only one or two "suns" in the sky. The phases might be
> rather remarkable at times too.

The astronomers were speculating that Kalgash Two's surface was
colored blue,
which would match Kalgash's blue sky.
>
> > However, every 2,049 years, Kalgash Two eclipse Dovim, on a day when
> > Dovim is the only sun in its hemisphere (the other five are on the other
> > side of Kalgash). At that time, Kalgash Two is at perigee, and Dovim is
> > at its greatest distance from Kalgash, so Kalgash Two has seven times
> > Dovim's apparent diameter. As a result, Kalgash Two eclipses Dovim for
> > over half a day, exposing all of Kalgash to Darkness and causing tens of
> > thousands of Stars to become visible.
>
> Hmm. Not that I can see. One side of the planet is lit by five "suns",
> one side is lit by one dim red sun that goes into eclipse. That would
> mean at best half the planet goes into eclipse. For the eclipse to
> last for "more than half a day" you've got to have a *very* slow-
> moving moon... but you've specified it's at pericentron to get maximum
> apparent angular diameter, so it is moving at it's fastest. The star
> may have a tiny angular diameter relative to the Moon, but for the
> eclipse to last anywhere for more than half a day implies the moon can
> move no more than one moon diameter in one day, which would seem to
> be... very slow. And this is ignoring the fact that an eclipse usually
> doesn't cover the entire hemisphere... and certainly couldn't cover a
> whole hemisphere for the whole time.

Kalgash Two was almost as big as Kalgash in the expanded version.
>
> > Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> > scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> > powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> > the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
>
> I don't know about the extended version. The original version doesn't
> have electricity (which makes the entire situation much more
> believable). Also consider that if you are a culture that is terrified
> to the point of mental instability by darkness, and who's planet never
> has night, it would seem to me that flashlights and streetlights would
> be rather unlikely to be invented. And if culturally you *have* gone
> so far as to create those things, you'd have a rather good cultural
> grasp on darkness anyway

Okay, in the original version, just tell everyone to stay indoors in
front of their
fireplaces during the eclipse, or build big bonfires away from trees
and houses.

The extended version does have electric lights, including battery
powered
"Godlights", lightbulbs in the Sanctuarys, and flashlights. There are
even
needle guns, which emit narrow beams of light that can kill. These
sound like
lasers to me.
>
> > I wonder why Kalgashian names have numbers at the ends.
>
> Because it sounds "alien"?
>
> I notice in the Wikipedia article they mention that there are not a
> lot of distances specified. It really sounds like there's not enough
> information to construct the orbital mechanics in detail... perhaps
> for a very good reason.
>
> --
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Ogden Johnson III wrote:
> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.RemoveThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >This story concerns the planet Kalgash, which is lit by six suns: The
> >primary Onos (yellow), Trey (white), Patru (white), Trano (white, I
> >think), Sitha (also white, I think), and Dovim (small and red). Since
> >all of Kalgash is always in sunlight, the people of Kalgash are
> >unfamiliar with darkness and are therefore extremely frightened of it.
> >Even 15 minutes of darkness (as demonstrated by a Tunnel of Darkness at
> >the Jonglor Centennial Exposition) is enough rattle any Kalgashian, and
> >cause many to go insane.
> [Snips]
>
> I, probably like many in one or more of these newsgroups
> (mn.humor???!!!???!!!, I suspect not a hotbed of Asimov/SF fans),
> have never read "Nightfall: Expanded Version By Isaac Asimov &
> Robert Silverberg"; for me under the theory that IA had done
> pretty good with the original story and the addition of
> Silverbob's hands probably did not bode well for the "Expanded
> Version." IME (50+ years and counting in reading SF) , fooling
> around with existing works in any genre by expanding them, adding
> a "co-author" or two, etc., rarely result in a new work that
> isn't a total POS. (Don't get me started on transitions of SF
> stories and novel{ette, la}s to film. Follywood has a dismal
> track record in this.)

I think that a movie version of Nightfall might be interesting, or
perhaps an
Outer Limits episode, which would end with everyone going insane as
the
Stars appear.
>
> I would have appreciated it if you would have contrasted how the
> original "Nightfall" story handled or did not handle the items
> you have identified in your post.

I can't find my copy of the original story, so I couldn't do any
contrasting.
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Tim Bruening wrote:

> Another point of interest: At the end of the expanded story, former
> reporter Theremon agrees to help the Apostles take over and rebuild
> society.

And right there are two betrayals of the original story.

1) Theremon apparently is still sane.

2) The Theremon of the original story wouldn't have made such an
alliance. And the Apostles of the original story wouldn't have been
worth allying with.

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Tim Bruening wrote:
> Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
Apostles, I think, are sensing power after chaos. They predicted & it
came true - so their following grows. They did stay indoors & came out
healthy - if I recall correctly.

Scientists did try but were ridiculed.

> The book uses equivalent English terms for Kalgashian units of distance
> and time. Thus, the Kalgashian mile is roughly equivalent to the Earth
> mile, and the Kalgashian hour is roughly equivalent to the Earth hour.
If I recall correctly, when introducing the book, Asimov mentioned he is
not going to talk of differences with humans, & focus only on the main
story - letting them use whatever they do for familiar things while he
uses human understandable terms. I think it was in preface or something
- it's been years since I read it (novel version).

> Page 151 of hardback version: An astronomer named Beenay 25 gives the
> speed of light as 185,000 Kalgashian miles per Kalgashian HOUR, as
> opposed to the Earth figure of 186,282 Earth miles per Earth SECOND.
> The Kalgashian figure would seem to be impossible unless Kalgash is in a
> universe where the speed of light is 3,600 times slower than in our
> universe.
I don't have my copy handy, but could not this have been a typo?

> I wonder why Kalgashian names have numbers at the ends.
This appears in other stories of the era too - like Ayn Rand's Anthem. I
recall at least one more story with this naming convention - cannot
recollect the name.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:51 pm
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Juho Julkunen wrote:

> In article <474525EA.4BF6BDA4 DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, on Wed, 21 Nov 2007
> 22:47:06 -0800, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> says...
>
> > Nits:
>
> > Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> > scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> > powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> > the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
>
> Simply? I can imagine some good reasons for lack of city lights on a
> planet with no night. Or why people might not take the warning "stay
> indoors or go insane" seriously.
>
> Also, I was under the impression that the philosophical implications of
> the stars (universe is a lot bigger than you thought) was a major
> factor.

Military implications of Kalgash's six suns: Kalgashian armies couldn't
attack under cover of darkness since its was almost never dark, but
Kalgashian interrogators probably often threatened prisoners with exposure
to Darkness to make them talk.

I imagine that the Kalgashians would have great difficulties making
themselves mine for coal underground, so they would have to dig strip mines.

First Kalgashian astronaut: I see Stars! Yii!!!!!
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