Nightfall: Expanded Version By Isaac Asimov & Robert Silve..

JimboCat wrote:
> Howard Brazee wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:31:09 GMT, David Johnston <david.DeleteThis@block.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>>Why don't the Apostles (and their industrialist supporters) and the
> >>>scientists simply tell everyone to stay indoors with plenty of battery
> >>>powered lights, and lobby governments to install outdoor lights in all
> >>>the cities? The lights would keep everyone sane.
> >>
> >>If they'd invented the electric light, which they hadn't.
> >
> >Obviously they must not have underground mines.
>
> And clearly, all their caves and tunnels were above-ground, too...

In the original story, the Lagashians did not have electric lights
(Theremon is told
that fire is the only artifical way to produce light). However, the
scientists' Hideout
did send a message to the Observatory via a private line, implying
some
electronic way (probably telegraph or telephone) of sending messages
without
having to send a messenger through the Darkness maddened mobs of Saro
City.

Ground cars are also mentioned. How did they operate? Did they have
spark
plugs? If not, how did they ignite the fuel. What fuels did they
use?

How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
In the expanded version, the Kalgashians did have electric lights
(Battery powered
godlights in every bedroom, light bulbs in the Sanctuaries, and
flashlights).Hence, I asked why the people who knew about the coming
eclipse didn't lobby to
have battery powered lights installed outdoors.
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In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni.DeleteThis@dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:

: How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?

In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).

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Richard Schultz wrote:

> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni RemoveThis @dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
>
> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
>
> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).

That would limit the size of the buildings they could build. The buildings have to
stay small enough for all rooms to have at least one window facing the outside so
that light can get in.
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Richard Schultz wrote:

> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni DeleteThis @dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
>
> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
>
> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).

Living on a world without darkness would have interesting implications for warfare:
No concept of attacking under cover of darkness (for either soldiers or burglars),
since there's no darkness. However, both military and police interrogators could
use threats of exposure to darkness to make prisoners talk.

I wonder how the Lagashians/Kalgashians mined for coal underground.

Knightfall: Medieval warriors hit the ground.
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In alt.books.isaac-asimov Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
:> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni.TakeThisOut@dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:

:> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?

:> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
:> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
:> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).

: That would limit the size of the buildings they could build. The buildings
: have to stay small enough for all rooms to have at least one window facing
: the outside so that light can get in.

In a one-story building, interior rooms could be lit via skylights. Even in
a multi-story building, you could get natural light to interior rooms by
constructing the building around a central stairwell with a skylight such
that light from the skylight can enter interior rooms via interior windows
(this would allow a building to have two layers of rooms. But we don't know
how much privacy the Lagashians needed, nor the exact path that the various
suns traced in its sky. One could build the exterior rooms with interior
doors and windows placed such that natural light will always reach the
interior room.

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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
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Richard Schultz wrote:

> In alt.books.isaac-asimov Tim Bruening <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> : Richard Schultz wrote:
> :> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni.DeleteThis@dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
>
> :> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
>
> :> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
> :> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
> :> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).
>
> : That would limit the size of the buildings they could build. The buildings
> : have to stay small enough for all rooms to have at least one window facing
> : the outside so that light can get in.
>
> In a one-story building, interior rooms could be lit via skylights. Even in
> a multi-story building, you could get natural light to interior rooms by
> constructing the building around a central stairwell with a skylight such
> that light from the skylight can enter interior rooms via interior windows
> (this would allow a building to have two layers of rooms. But we don't know
> how much privacy the Lagashians needed, nor the exact path that the various
> suns traced in its sky. One could build the exterior rooms with interior
> doors and windows placed such that natural light will always reach the
> interior room.

As for the Kalgashians in the expanded version, who had technology comparable to
late 20th century Earth, I bet that solar power is a bigger source of energy than
on Earth!
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:58:09 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>
>
>Richard Schultz wrote:
>
>> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni.DeleteThis@dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
>>
>> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
>>
>> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
>> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
>> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).
>
>Living on a world without darkness would have interesting implications for warfare:
>No concept of attacking under cover of darkness (for either soldiers or burglars),
>since there's no darkness. However, both military and police interrogators could
>use threats of exposure to darkness to make prisoners talk.
>
>I wonder how the Lagashians/Kalgashians mined for coal underground.

They didn't. I would assume any mining they did was strip-mining.
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David Johnston wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:58:09 -0800, Tim Bruening
> <tsbrueni DeleteThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Richard Schultz wrote:
> >
> >> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni DeleteThis @dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
> >>
> >> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
> >>
> >> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
> >> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
> >> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).
> >
> >Living on a world without darkness would have interesting implications for warfare:
> >No concept of attacking under cover of darkness (for either soldiers or burglars),
> >since there's no darkness. However, both military and police interrogators could
> >use threats of exposure to darkness to make prisoners talk.
> >
> >I wonder how the Lagashians/Kalgashians mined for coal underground.
>
> They didn't. I would assume any mining they did was strip-mining.

I can imagine the local environmentalists fainting from horror!
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:31:13 -0800, Tim Bruening
<tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

>
>
>David Johnston wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:58:09 -0800, Tim Bruening
>> <tsbrueni RemoveThis @pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Richard Schultz wrote:
>> >
>> >> In alt.books.isaac-asimov tsbrueni RemoveThis @dcn.davis.ca.us wrote:
>> >>
>> >> : How did the Lagashians keep enclosed rooms lit?
>> >>
>> >> In the original story, it is implied that they didn't have any enclosed
>> >> rooms, except for those made for special purposes (e.g. the amusement
>> >> park ride at the Jonglor Exposition).
>> >
>> >Living on a world without darkness would have interesting implications for warfare:
>> >No concept of attacking under cover of darkness (for either soldiers or burglars),
>> >since there's no darkness. However, both military and police interrogators could
>> >use threats of exposure to darkness to make prisoners talk.
>> >
>> >I wonder how the Lagashians/Kalgashians mined for coal underground.
>>
>> They didn't. I would assume any mining they did was strip-mining.
>
>I can imagine the local environmentalists fainting from horror!

It would never occur to them that there was an alternative.
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