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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:22 pm
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Spoilers For the Narnia Chronicles story "The Voyage Of The Dawn
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In this story, Narnian King Caspian the 10th is sailing to the Eastern
end of the world on the Dawn Treader. Along with him are King Edmund,
Queen Lucy, their cousin Eustace, and a large, very brave Talking Mouse
named Reepicheep. At one point, they spot a region of darkness and sail
into it at the insistence of Reepicheep, who argues that to refrain
would tarnish their honor. They rescue one Lord Rhoop (formerly of
Narnia), who yells at them to leave the dark area at once, since in the
darkness is an island where nightmares come true! The crew, realizing
the dangers of nightmares come true, scramble to row out.

What nightmares have you had that would come to life on that island?

What nightmares would have come to life for the Dawn Treader crew and
passengers if they hadn't gotten out? I bet that for Edmund, the White
Witch would have appeared and chased him with Turkish Delight.
Reepicheep's nightmare would be running from danger.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:56 am
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Tim Bruening wrote:
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> What nightmares would have come to life for the Dawn Treader crew and
> passengers if they hadn't gotten out? I bet that for Edmund, the White
> Witch would have appeared and chased him with Turkish Delight.
> Reepicheep's nightmare would be running from danger.

Nah. *Real* nightmares aren't anything like as representational as that,
something that Lewis understood well (if you read it again, you'll see several
people react to their own personal nightmares appearing). A real nightmare is
surreal and arbitrary, a piece of psychic detritus scraped up from deep within
the soul, and is totally meaningless to anybody other than the actual victim.

cf. _Hogfather_, Terry Pratchett.

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David Given wrote:
> Tim Bruening wrote:
> [...]
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>>What nightmares would have come to life for the Dawn Treader crew and
>>passengers if they hadn't gotten out? I bet that for Edmund, the White
>>Witch would have appeared and chased him with Turkish Delight.
>>Reepicheep's nightmare would be running from danger.
>
>
> Nah. *Real* nightmares aren't anything like as representational as that,
> something that Lewis understood well (if you read it again, you'll see several
> people react to their own personal nightmares appearing). A real nightmare is
> surreal and arbitrary, a piece of psychic detritus scraped up from deep within
> the soul, and is totally meaningless to anybody other than the actual victim.

I certainly don't agree with THAT. The way they reacted showed that
each of them knew precisely what thing, or things, would be summoned
from their nightmares, so it's obviously something you can remember. I
know what *MINE* would have been at that age, and it was pretty
straightforward and not at all meaningless to others -- even if it
wasn't as SCARY to anyone else.




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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:59 pm
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In article <hHSGh.52408$Da4.43772@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>,
David Given <dg.RemoveThis@cowlark.com> wrote:
>Tim Bruening wrote:
>[...]
>> What nightmares would have come to life for the Dawn Treader crew and
>> passengers if they hadn't gotten out? I bet that for Edmund, the White
>> Witch would have appeared and chased him with Turkish Delight.
>> Reepicheep's nightmare would be running from danger.
>
>Nah. *Real* nightmares aren't anything like as representational as that,
>something that Lewis understood well (if you read it again, you'll see several
>people react to their own personal nightmares appearing). A real nightmare is
>surreal and arbitrary, a piece of psychic detritus scraped up from deep within
>the soul, and is totally meaningless to anybody other than the actual victim.
>

Surely Lewis would have been familiar with a nightmare common to a large
number of those who have been in academia: the Exam Nightmare. Kind
of hard to represent in the Dawn Treader setting (Caspian: "This is
a test! I forgot to study for this test!" perhaps?). It was depicted
rather well in the 'Dreams' episode of 'M*A*S*H'.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:09 am
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On 04-Mar-07 at 11:22pm -0800, <tsbrueni.DeleteThis@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> ...Lord Rhoop... yells at them to leave the dark area at once, since
> in the darkness is an island where nightmares come true!

Actually, the place is described as the "place where dreams come true",
which is the source of the confusion which sent Rhoop there to begin with.
My ".Sig" file tells it all. The last word of the quotation OUGHT certainly
to be italicized, and followed by an exclamation mark -- but that (alas) is
not how Lewis wrote it!

-- %%%%%%%%%% "Glenn P.," <C128UserDELETE-THIS.DeleteThis@FVI.Net> %%%%%%%%%%%
_____ ----------------------------------------------------------------
{~._.~} "Don't you understand? That was the kind of talk that brought
_( Y )_ me here, and I'd better have been dead or never been born. This
(:_~*~_Smile is the island where dreams come true. Not daydreams: dreams."
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========= --Lord Rhoop, in "The Voyage Of The 'Dawn Treader'",
========= Book V in "The Chronicles Of Narnia" by C.S. Lewis

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