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Since: Feb 21, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:22 am
Post subject: Nit-picking Archived from groups: alt>books>david-weber (more info?)
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I have been rereading _The Apocalypse Troll_ and have a
few nits I have noticed in it.
Milla explains her extra strength by the fact that she
is from a planet where the gravity is about 20% higher
than Earth's. Then later she says that one attraction
for tourists is that her planets bugs don't bite humans.
I'm not sure how many tourists you are going to get to
a planet with higher gravity. I suppose you can get
some of the macho types that want to show they can take it.
Milla implies that normal women don't dare have children
with thuselah children, because they will almost surely
die. This suggests that there is no way to tell which
ones can survive the infection of the symbiont. I
should think it wouldn't be too hard to develop a test
to tell which ones could survive it, and become
thuselahs themselves.
When they go to repair Milla's suit they just hook it up
to a reactor's output and let it go. They tend to gloss
over the technical details of the hook up. We are
talking about the output of a nuclear reactor. I did a
quick check and there are some units that put out about
1 Gigawatt. Assuming we are talking about transmission
line voltages then cross country lines here in the US
run up to about 800,000 volts. Rounding that up to 1
Megavolt we would then be talking about 1000 amps. This
is not going to be a simple walk up and plug it in kind
of a connection. There are some severe technical
problems in connecting that kind of service to a wire
that can be coiled up in a boot heel.
I said they were nits.
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Since: Jul 24, 2007 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:37 pm
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BillGill wrote:
> I have been rereading _The Apocalypse Troll_ and have a few nits I have
> noticed in it.
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> Milla explains her extra strength by the fact that she is from a planet
> where the gravity is about 20% higher than Earth's. Then later she says
> that one attraction for tourists is that her planets bugs don't bite
> humans. I'm not sure how many tourists you are going to get to a planet
> with higher gravity. I suppose you can get some of the macho types that
> want to show they can take it.
>
> Milla implies that normal women don't dare have children with thuselah
> children, because they will almost surely die. This suggests that there
> is no way to tell which ones can survive the infection of the symbiont.
> I should think it wouldn't be too hard to develop a test to tell which
> ones could survive it, and become thuselahs themselves.
>
> When they go to repair Milla's suit they just hook it up to a reactor's
> output and let it go. They tend to gloss over the technical details of
> the hook up. We are talking about the output of a nuclear reactor. I
> did a quick check and there are some units that put out about 1
> Gigawatt. Assuming we are talking about transmission line voltages then
> cross country lines here in the US run up to about 800,000 volts.
> Rounding that up to 1 Megavolt we would then be talking about 1000
> amps. This is not going to be a simple walk up and plug it in kind of a
> connection. There are some severe technical problems in connecting that
> kind of service to a wire that can be coiled up in a boot heel.
>
Don't know, Marty McFly ran 1.21 gigawatts through a hook with a thin
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Since: Feb 21, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:38 pm
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Gary Evesson wrote:
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> Don't know, Marty McFly ran 1.21 gigawatts through a hook with a thin
> little cable and a couple of big alligator clips.
But Marty was in a hurry and had to do a jury rig. This
was a bunch of officials. You don't really think they
would do a jury rig do you? They didn't want to do it,
so they would put as many stumbling blocks in the way as
they could. That's the official way.
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Since: Aug 10, 2006 Posts: 368
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:15 pm
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:22:49 -0500, BillGill <billnews2 RemoveThis @cox.net>
wrote:
>I have been rereading _The Apocalypse Troll_ and have a
>few nits I have noticed in it.
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>Milla explains her extra strength by the fact that she
>is from a planet where the gravity is about 20% higher
>than Earth's. Then later she says that one attraction
>for tourists is that her planets bugs don't bite humans.
> I'm not sure how many tourists you are going to get to
>a planet with higher gravity. I suppose you can get
>some of the macho types that want to show they can take it.
As long as you aren't engaging in sports the +20%g probably isn't that
big a deal.
>Milla implies that normal women don't dare have children
>with thuselah children, because they will almost surely
>die. This suggests that there is no way to tell which
>ones can survive the infection of the symbiont. I
>should think it wouldn't be too hard to develop a test
>to tell which ones could survive it, and become
>thuselahs themselves.
Apparently not, or else it would be available as an option. I still
think that thuselah blood would be a last-ditch medical treatment for
the dying, though.
>When they go to repair Milla's suit they just hook it up
>to a reactor's output and let it go. They tend to gloss
>over the technical details of the hook up. We are
>talking about the output of a nuclear reactor. I did a
>quick check and there are some units that put out about
>1 Gigawatt. Assuming we are talking about transmission
>line voltages then cross country lines here in the US
>run up to about 800,000 volts. Rounding that up to 1
>Megavolt we would then be talking about 1000 amps. This
>is not going to be a simple walk up and plug it in kind
>of a connection. There are some severe technical
>problems in connecting that kind of service to a wire
>that can be coiled up in a boot heel.
The wire is superconducting, that's not a problem. Assuming it's
connected directly to the output before the transformers the only
problem would be heating of the reactor's output wire because flowing
through the very narrow spot where the connection was.
Given the tech they exhibit I would figure the feed can accept quite a
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Since: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 440
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:23 pm
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Loren Pechtel wrote:
> Apparently not, or else it would be available as an option. I still
> think that thuselah blood would be a last-ditch medical treatment for
> the dying, though.
Agreed. Go down to the local old folks home and offer them a one in a
thousand chance.
As I remember, "one tiny batch" was not 100% lethal. So, was the 1,000:1
out of that batch, or over all?
> The wire is superconducting, that's not a problem. Assuming it's
> connected directly to the output before the transformers the only
> problem would be heating of the reactor's output wire because flowing
> through the very narrow spot where the connection was.
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That would require something like wrapping the superconductor around the
copper cable, or a copper cylinder.
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Since: Feb 21, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:07 am
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Loren Pechtel wrote:
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> The wire is superconducting, that's not a problem. Assuming it's
> connected directly to the output before the transformers the only
> problem would be heating of the reactor's output wire because flowing
> through the very narrow spot where the connection was.
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> Given the tech they exhibit I would figure the feed can accept quite a
> range of voltages.
The book calls for "voltage and current requirements".
This is what drove them to a nuclear power plant. If it
was just high current they might be able to do it, but I
think some serious engineering would be required to
provide a superconductor that would handle an extremely
high current with our current technology.
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Since: Aug 10, 2006 Posts: 368
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:10 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:23:17 -0700, Offbreed
<offbreed_106 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>Loren Pechtel wrote:
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>> Apparently not, or else it would be available as an option. I still
>> think that thuselah blood would be a last-ditch medical treatment for
>> the dying, though.
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>Agreed. Go down to the local old folks home and offer them a one in a
>thousand chance.
That's not what I was thinking. I think few in the old folks home
would take it. I'm thinking of cases like in the story--death is
coming and there's nothing to do about it.
If you've only got hours left and you're taking a 99.9% chance of
dying that's not really much of an issue but if it works you get
immortality.
>As I remember, "one tiny batch" was not 100% lethal. So, was the 1,000:1
>out of that batch, or over all?
I think it's that batch. All the survivors came from that batch and
yet it's still that lethal.
>> The wire is superconducting, that's not a problem. Assuming it's
>> connected directly to the output before the transformers the only
>> problem would be heating of the reactor's output wire because flowing
>> through the very narrow spot where the connection was.
>>
>That would require something like wrapping the superconductor around the
>copper cable, or a copper cylinder.
>
>How big a gap will 80KV jump?
It will jump at least 2" of air. Better insulators could be a lot
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Since: Aug 10, 2006 Posts: 368
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:10 pm
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:07:02 -0500, BillGill <billnews2.DeleteThis@cox.net>
wrote:
>Loren Pechtel wrote:
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>> The wire is superconducting, that's not a problem. Assuming it's
>> connected directly to the output before the transformers the only
>> problem would be heating of the reactor's output wire because flowing
>> through the very narrow spot where the connection was.
>>
>> Given the tech they exhibit I would figure the feed can accept quite a
>> range of voltages.
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>The book calls for "voltage and current requirements".
>This is what drove them to a nuclear power plant. If it
>was just high current they might be able to do it, but I
>think some serious engineering would be required to
>provide a superconductor that would handle an extremely
>high current with our current technology.
Why? Superconductivity means zero resistance. Eventually it will
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Since: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:35 pm
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FWIW 1.2G is no big deal. It's the same G you would experience in an
airplane making a level turn banking about 33 degrees. (1/#g = cos
bank angle). I dare say humans would adjust fairly quickly. Good place
for boot camp?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:03 am
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:35:34 -0700, Gunfighter40
<waltbj01 RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
>FWIW 1.2G is no big deal. It's the same G you would experience in an
>airplane making a level turn banking about 33 degrees. (1/#g = cos
>bank angle). I dare say humans would adjust fairly quickly. Good place
>for boot camp?
About like a 200 pound man carrying forty pounds of weights in a vest
at all times for physical conditioning.
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Since: Apr 13, 2005 Posts: 440
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:48 am
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Loren Pechtel wrote:
> That's not what I was thinking. I think few in the old folks home
> would take it. I'm thinking of cases like in the story--death is
> coming and there's nothing to do about it.
A friend is taking care of her dad. He has one of those crippling
diseases that takes years to kill, and that's years in a diaper. There's
other diseases just as bad.
> If you've only got hours left and you're taking a 99.9% chance of
> dying that's not really much of an issue but if it works you get
> immortality.
Yeah, quite a few would grab that gamble.
>> As I remember, "one tiny batch" was not 100% lethal. So, was the 1,000:1
>> out of that batch, or over all?
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> I think it's that batch. All the survivors came from that batch and
> yet it's still that lethal.
That's a bit odd, it should be evolving.
Back when the subject first came up, I remember thinking that someone
like, uh, Coocooscrew? would just take blood from any long lifer he
captured, male or female, and round up little girls from the streets and
shoot them up to make his own.
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Since: Feb 21, 2007 Posts: 8
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:26 am
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mike weber wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:35:34 -0700, Gunfighter40
> <waltbj01.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> FWIW 1.2G is no big deal. It's the same G you would experience in an
>> airplane making a level turn banking about 33 degrees. (1/#g = cos
>> bank angle). I dare say humans would adjust fairly quickly. Good place
>> for boot camp?
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> About like a 200 pound man carrying forty pounds of weights in a vest
> at all times for physical conditioning.
>
Ok, so a whole lot of tourists are going to the planet
to toughen up for their atheletic events. I still don't
think it is going to be a major tourist destination.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:32 am
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Loren Pechtel wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:23:17 -0700, Offbreed
> <offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> How big a gap will 80KV jump?
>
> It will jump at least 2" of air. Better insulators could be a lot
> thinner, though.
However, I didn't mention 80 KV, I mentioned 800 KV. I
have seen a show on TV about maintenance of the 800 KV
lines, with the power on. They wrap the workers in
steel suits and put them on and off with specially
equipped helicopters. As they make contact with the
line there are large coronal discharges through the
special probes they use to equalize the voltages. The
lines themselves are separated by something like 30 or
40 feet. That kind of voltage isn't something to be
treated casually.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:29 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:32:12 -0500, BillGill <billnews2 RemoveThis @cox.net>
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>Loren Pechtel wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:23:17 -0700, Offbreed
>> <offbreed_106 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>> How big a gap will 80KV jump?
>>
>> It will jump at least 2" of air. Better insulators could be a lot
>> thinner, though.
>
>However, I didn't mention 80 KV, I mentioned 800 KV. I
>have seen a show on TV about maintenance of the 800 KV
>lines, with the power on. They wrap the workers in
>steel suits and put them on and off with specially
>equipped helicopters. As they make contact with the
>line there are large coronal discharges through the
>special probes they use to equalize the voltages. The
>lines themselves are separated by something like 30 or
>40 feet. That kind of voltage isn't something to be
>treated casually.
But the power coming off the generator isn't at those insane voltages.
It's stepped up to those voltages to make it cheaper to send it across
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:29 pm
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:48:01 -0700, Offbreed
<offbreed_106.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Loren Pechtel wrote:
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>> That's not what I was thinking. I think few in the old folks home
>> would take it. I'm thinking of cases like in the story--death is
>> coming and there's nothing to do about it.
>
>A friend is taking care of her dad. He has one of those crippling
>diseases that takes years to kill, and that's years in a diaper. There's
>other diseases just as bad.
Yeah--there will be a few like this. It would be the standard method
of suicide for medical reasons.
>> If you've only got hours left and you're taking a 99.9% chance of
>> dying that's not really much of an issue but if it works you get
>> immortality.
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>Yeah, quite a few would grab that gamble.
I would figure everyone would--it would be the standard treatment
unless you opt out.
>>> As I remember, "one tiny batch" was not 100% lethal. So, was the 1,000:1
>>> out of that batch, or over all?
>>
>> I think it's that batch. All the survivors came from that batch and
>> yet it's still that lethal.
>
>That's a bit odd, it should be evolving.
Remember, it detects wrong DNA in her--it probably detects defects in
itself also.
>Back when the subject first came up, I remember thinking that someone
>like, uh, Coocooscrew? would just take blood from any long lifer he
>captured, male or female, and round up little girls from the streets and
>shoot them up to make his own.
Remember, though, she specifically warned him that it was just as
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