ROTK: Yuck

"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Rick wrote:
> >> Whatever. You've marked yourself as easily ignorable now, given the
fact
> that
> >> you have failed to engage in any kind of discussion multiple times now.
> >
> >And you've marked yourself as a complete hypocrite by crying that I
snipped
> >and ignored parts of your posts, then doing exactly the same thing to
mine.
> >I ANSWERED your question in the snipped part and you continue to ignore
it.
>
> No. You confirmed that you had not read my message before replying to it
in the
> snipped part of your message. Between that and your *hilarious* claim that
it
> was more believable for someone to run the length of a city while on flame
than
> to immolate themselves on a pyre, I did you a great favor by not quoting
(or
> commenting on) your foolishness.
>
> Justin B

No Justin, you're incorrect yet again. First off, I read your message, the
whole thing---I simply didn't feel it was worth quoting in its entirety. It
seems to be a blow to your self-esteem when anyone snips part of your
message, but that's the fact, bub.
I never made any claim that anything was more "believable" so now you're
simply pulling things from your ass.
You don't really seem to HAVE any argument with respect to this issue and
are simply trying to state over and over and OVER that you're correct and,
more offensively, that anyone who disagrees with you must be illiterate or
ignorant.
Sorry Justin, the world doesn't work that way.
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triad3204.DeleteThis@aol.com (Justin Bacon) wrote:

>Just got back from a midnight showing of ROTK.
>
>Yuck. Just... yuck.
>
>My patience was utterly spent by the time we were "treated" to a flaming
>Denethor running from his pyre across the entire length of the city before
>plunging over the wall into the battlefield below. That utter tripe simply
>killed the last of my lingering respect for Peter Jackson.

A sadly literal interpretation of Gandalf's line "so passes Denethor,
the last Steward of Gondor" (or something similar).

In the /book/, Gandalf is talking about Denethor's death. In the
/film/, he is talking about Denethor's imitation of a ball of fire
/passing down the hall/.
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jsolinas7 DeleteThis @netscape.net (Flame of the West) wrote:

<snippo>

>Actually, it was the most faithful of the three theatrical versions.
>I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it as well. Despite the oddities, quirks, and omissions, it
covered the material and hit all the high points. Well, the
pre-Scouring high points anyway.

And I think that, assuming that showing four weddings was considered a
bit much (especially since Faramir's bride's entire family is missing
from the film), picking the Sam/Rosie wedding as the one to show was
very nice.
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Rick wrote:
>First off, I read your message, the
>whole thing---I simply didn't feel it was worth quoting in its entirety.

Translation: "I read your message. Since I had no response, I snipped as much
as possible in the hopes that no one would detect that my reply was a complete
non sequitur."

>You don't really seem to HAVE any argument with respect to this issue

People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in a movie is
either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
difficulties with this concept?

>more offensively, that anyone who disagrees with you must be illiterate or
>ignorant.
>Sorry Justin, the world doesn't work that way.

No. I accused you of an inability to read English because you keep posting
complete non sequiturs. On further consideration, your continued habit of
deliberately snipping the parts of a message which make your non sequiturs
obvious rather raises this behavior from stupidity to deliberate deception.
Which is, of course, just stupidity of another kind.

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"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in a
movie is
> either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
> difficulties with this concept?
>

Perhaps because Denethor DIDN'T run the length of the city, but only across
a single courtyard.


> >more offensively, that anyone who disagrees with you must be illiterate
or
> >ignorant.
> >Sorry Justin, the world doesn't work that way.
>
> No. I accused you of an inability to read English because you keep posting
> complete non sequiturs. On further consideration, your continued habit of
> deliberately snipping the parts of a message which make your non sequiturs
> obvious rather raises this behavior from stupidity to deliberate
deception.
> Which is, of course, just stupidity of another kind.


I will leave comments on stupidity to you, since you seem to be the master
of that game.
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Rick wrote:
>"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in a movie
is
>> either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
>> difficulties with this concept?
>
>Perhaps because Denethor DIDN'T run the length of the city, but only across
>a single courtyard.

....a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.

>> No. I accused you of an inability to read English because you keep posting
>> complete non sequiturs. On further consideration, your continued habit of
>> deliberately snipping the parts of a message which make your non sequiturs
>> obvious rather raises this behavior from stupidity to deliberate deception.
>> Which is, of course, just stupidity of another kind.
>
>I will leave comments on stupidity to you, since you seem to be the master
>of that game.

Oh, Rick, don't be silly. If I had truly mastered you, do you think I'd still
be allowing you to post your nonsensical drivel?

Justin Bacon
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"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Rick wrote:
> >"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20031222022027.29591.00000821@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >> People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in a
movie
> is
> >> either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
> >> difficulties with this concept?
> >
> >Perhaps because Denethor DIDN'T run the length of the city, but only
across
> >a single courtyard.
>
> ...a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.

One should point out that the city is designed as a spiral, and the
promontory with the courtyard cuts from the middle to the edge, i. e. the
radius at that point..


>
> >> No. I accused you of an inability to read English because you keep
posting
> >> complete non sequiturs. On further consideration, your continued habit
of
> >> deliberately snipping the parts of a message which make your non
sequiturs
> >> obvious rather raises this behavior from stupidity to deliberate
deception.
> >> Which is, of course, just stupidity of another kind.
> >
> >I will leave comments on stupidity to you, since you seem to be the
master
> >of that game.
>
> Oh, Rick, don't be silly. If I had truly mastered you, do you think I'd
still
> be allowing you to post your nonsensical drivel?

Ooooh - Justin can prevent other people from posting. Wow.


>
> Justin Bacon
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"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Rick wrote:
> >"Justin Bacon" <triad3204.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20031222022027.29591.00000821@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >> People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in a
movie
> is
> >> either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
> >> difficulties with this concept?
> >
> >Perhaps because Denethor DIDN'T run the length of the city, but only
across
> >a single courtyard.
>
> ...a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.
>

No, it does not. That's simply not true.
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"Rick" <swtravlr RemoveThis @NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Justin Bacon" <triad3204 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Rick wrote:
> > >"Justin Bacon" <triad3204 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20031222022027.29591.00000821@mb-m02.aol.com...
> > >> People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in
a
> movie
> > is
> > >> either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
> > >> difficulties with this concept?
> > >
> > >Perhaps because Denethor DIDN'T run the length of the city, but only
> across
> > >a single courtyard.
> >
> > ...a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.
> >
>
> No, it does not. That's simply not true.
>

Don't mind Justin, he doesn't understand geometry.
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RufusTFirefly wrote:
>> ...a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.
>
>One should point out that the city is designed as a spiral, and the
>promontory with the courtyard cuts from the middle to the edge, i. e. the
>radius at that point..

One could point that out, but they'd be wrong. The city is designed as a
semi-circle, with the road up doubling back on itself.

>> Oh, Rick, don't be silly. If I had truly mastered you, do you think I'd
still
>> be allowing you to post your nonsensical drivel?
>
>Ooooh - Justin can prevent other people from posting. Wow.

Learn to read, Rufus. You're as bad as Rick.

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"Justin Bacon" <triad3204 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> RufusTFirefly wrote:
> >> ...a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.
> >
> >One should point out that the city is designed as a spiral, and the
> >promontory with the courtyard cuts from the middle to the edge, i. e. the
> >radius at that point..
>
> One could point that out, but they'd be wrong. The city is designed as a
> semi-circle, with the road up doubling back on itself.

You were not paying attention. Go see the movie again. He did not run down
the road. He ran down the length of the promontory and leaped off of the
edge. The promontory cut accross the road.


>
> >> Oh, Rick, don't be silly. If I had truly mastered you, do you think I'd
> still
> >> be allowing you to post your nonsensical drivel?
> >
> >Ooooh - Justin can prevent other people from posting. Wow.
>
> Learn to read, Rufus. You're as bad as Rick.

What that on your lip, Justin? Shit?

>
> Justin Bacon
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RufusTFirefly wrote:
>You were not paying attention. Go see the movie again. He did not run down
>the road. He ran down the length of the promontory and leaped off of the
>edge. The promontory cut accross the road.

And I'm sure in your universe the words "off the cliff" are synonymous with
"down the road". In this universe, however, we're forced back to a simple
conclusion:

You can't read English.

>> >> Oh, Rick, don't be silly. If I had truly mastered you, do you think I'd
still
>> >> be allowing you to post your nonsensical drivel?
>> >
>> >Ooooh - Justin can prevent other people from posting. Wow.
>>
>> Learn to read, Rufus. You're as bad as Rick.
>
>What that on your lip, Justin? Shit?

I rest my case.

Justin Bacon
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"Rick" <swtravlr DeleteThis @NOSPAMtampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<hsIFb.120402$%h4.19967@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> "Justin Bacon" <triad3204 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Rick wrote:
> > >"Justin Bacon" <triad3204 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20031222022027.29591.00000821@mb-m02.aol.com...
> > >> People on fire cannot run the length of a city. Having them do so in a
> movie
> is
> > >> either intentionally or unintentionally hilarious. Why are you having
> > >> difficulties with this concept?
> > >
> > >Perhaps because Denethor DIDN'T run the length of the city, but only
> across
> > >a single courtyard.
> >
> > ...a courtyard which runs the entire length of the city.
> >
>
> No, it does not. That's simply not true.

Even if he were running along the big piece of rock bisecting the
upper six circles, it is still quite a ways to run, and then jump off
and fly over the remaining circle? As I haven't actually *seen* it
yet, I can't be sure, but to judge from y'all's decriptions, the whole
scene sounds pretty damn retarded.

Why not, youknow, do something where he's holding on to the palantir
and the flames quickly, little to quickly than is realistic (but it
would still be rather boring to sit there and watch his corpse slowly
burn) consume him.

Some of the changes I can understand somewhat, things to thin down the
plot and make it easier for the movie going masses to get, but from
the start of TT to (i fear) the end of RoTK, the comic releif and -why
the hell did they change that- scenes are simply out of control.
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