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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:35 pm
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http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdkY...OTJlNGE


Tuesday, February 19, 2008



Obama's Political Origins [Lisa Schiffren]


Until I came across this article by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in
Media, which I regard as factual -- with all that that implies -- the
questions about Obama's background that should have come naturally
never quite rose to the surface of my mind. Barack Obama is the new
man, of course. His mixed race is a symbol of that. Just like Tiger
Woods -- as we have read, endlessly. What's to wonder about?

But maybe it's not so simple. Obama and I are roughly the same age. I
grew up in liberal circles in New York City -- a place to which people
who wished to rebel against their upbringings had gravitated for
generations. And yet, all of my mixed race, black/white classmates
throughout my youth, some of whom I am still in contact with, were the
product of very culturally specific unions. They were always the
offspring of a white mother, (in my circles, she was usually Jewish,
but elsewhere not necessarily) and usually a highly educated black
father. And how had these two come together at a time when it was
neither natural nor easy for such relationships to flourish? Always
through politics. No, not the young Republicans. Usually the Communist
Youth League. Or maybe a different arm of the CPUSA. But, for a white
woman to marry a black man in 1958, or 60, there was almost inevitably
a connection to explicit Communist politics. (During the Clinton
Administration we were all introduced to then U. of Pennsylvania
Professor Lani Guinier -- also a half black/half Jewish, red diaper
baby.)

I don't know how Barak Obama's parents met. But the Kincaid article
referenced above makes a very convincing case that Obama's family,
later, (mid 1970s) in Hawaii, had close relations with a known black
Communist intellectual. And, according to what Obama wrote in his
first autobiography, the man in question -- Frank Marshall Davis --
appears to have been Barack's own mentor, and even a father figure. Of
course, since the Soviet Union itself no longer exists, it's an open
question what it means practically to have been politically mentored
by an official Communist. Ideologically, the implications are clearer.

Political correctness was invented precisely to prevent the mainstream
liberal media from persuing the questions which might arise about how
Senator Obama's mother, from Kansas, came to marry an African graduate
student. Love? Sure, why not? But what else was going on around them
that made it feasible? Before readers level cheap accusations of
racism -- let's recall that the very question of interracial marriage
only became a big issue later in the 1960s. The notion of a large
group of mixed race Americans became an issue during and after the
Vietnam War. Even the civil-rights movement kept this culturally
explosive matter at arm's distance.

It was, of course, an explicit tactic of the Communist party to stir
up discontent among American blacks, with an eye toward using them as
the leading edge of the revolution. To be sure, there was much to be
discontented about, for black Americans, prior to the civil-rights
revolution. To their credit, of course, most black Americans didn't
buy the commie line -- and showed more faith in the possibilities of
democratic change than in radical politics, and the results on display
in Moscow.

Time for some investigative journalism about the Obama family's
background, now that his chances of being president have increased so
much.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:03 pm
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet RemoveThis @mailhaven.com> writes:

I don't think you quite have the narrative down. I mean, in
the beginning, you imply that such unions were usually the result of
well-educated evil liberal Jewesses seducing patriotic from-the-
countryside black men, and toward the end you write that it was Commie
Sympathist uppity black men seducing our pristine and Israel-loving
Jewish girls.

I mean, which is it?

> I don't know how Barak Obama's parents met...

... but I'm not going to such a small detail stop me from
speculating wildly.

Elf

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:41 am
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf DeleteThis @speakeasy.net> wrote in message <news:8763wd7hme.fsf@speakeasy.net>...

> Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet DeleteThis @mailhaven.com> writes:
>
> I don't think you quite have the narrative down. I mean, in
> the beginning, you imply that such unions were usually the result of
> well-educated evil liberal Jewesses seducing patriotic from-the-
> countryside black men, and toward the end you write that it was Commie
> Sympathist uppity black men seducing our pristine and Israel-loving
> Jewish girls.
>
> I mean, which is it?

I for one would welcome our new evil liberal Jewess overlords. Overlordesses.
Overladies. Whichever.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:43 am
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:35:20 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet DeleteThis @mailhaven.com> wrote:

>Until I came across this article by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in
>Media, which I regard as factual -- with all that that implies

ROTFLMAO! Is this a joke?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:42 am
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On Feb 25, 12:43 am, raven1 <quoththera....TakeThisOut@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:35:20 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
>
> <soundoftrum....TakeThisOut@mailhaven.com> wrote:
> >Until I came across this article by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in
> >Media, which I regard as factual -- with all that that implies
>
> ROTFLMAO! Is this a joke?

It is, but not intentionally.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:01 am
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"Nobody in particular" <nobody.RemoveThis@nowhere.INVALID> writes:

> "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf.RemoveThis@speakeasy.net> wrote in message <news:8763wd7hme.fsf@speakeasy.net>...

> I for one would welcome our new evil liberal Jewess overlords. Overlordesses.
> Overladies. Whichever.

I dunno. You haven't met my sister.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:49 am
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On Feb 24, 9:35 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum....DeleteThis@mailhaven.com>
wrote:
> http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdk...
>
> Tuesday, February 19, 2008
>
[snip a whole load of bigoted, fear-mongering speculation without even
the slightest hint of possible proof.]

So basically the author's comments come down to: "He's half black, he
might be a Communist." God, I love it when people are so transparent
in their bigotry.

Does anyone even care about commies anymore? I thought that went out
with the 80s.

Not to say I wouldn't miss a little McCarthyism in the 21st century, I
do have a powerful nostalgia for the Cold War.

Now, let's say (just for sake of argument) that Obama's parents were
nescient communists. What exactly would that change? Communism isn't
all that different than what the Democratic Party preaches under
normal circumstances. Actually, I'd be more worried about Hillary
Clinton. The differences in their healthcare plans point to her being
the more Communist leaning of the two. She wants to mandate that
everyone have healthcare, while Obama wants to leave it to individual
choice. Regardless of the merits of either plan, Communism is about
forcing people to do things for their own good (or for the Communist
Party's own good) rather than giving them a choice on the matter.
(Now, frankly I understand the merits of forcing healthy people to pay
for insurance they don't need, it's the only way to support the
system, but it is the more Communist of the two policies.) In any
case, it's long past the point that the word Communism can provoke a
kneejerk reaction in me anymore, and I think the same can be said for
the American public. Not because Obama might be a Communist, that's
patently ridiculous; the entire Democratic Party could be described as
Communist by McCarthyism standards, but because Communism is no longer
the scare-tactic of this generation, that honor has been given to
Terrorism.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:49 am
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raven1 <quoththeraven RemoveThis @nevermore.com> wrote in
news:lbl4s3dh7u6jn3lb1tkd7pqq3mauj3q1d4@4ax.com to alt.atheism on 25 Feb
2008:

> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:35:20 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
> <soundoftrumpet RemoveThis @mailhaven.com> wrote:
>
>>Until I came across this article by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in
>>Media, which I regard as factual -- with all that that implies
>
> ROTFLMAO! Is this a joke?
>

Yes and no, but it certainly is revealing of the author's "issues".

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:10 pm
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:35:20 -0800 in
238f5697-a017-403e-8a75-7be56a47d9e5.DeleteThis@71g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Sound of
Trumpet <soundoftrumpet.DeleteThis@mailhaven.com> wrote:

> Obama's Political Origins [Lisa Schiffren]

Man you people are getting *desperate*...

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:22 pm
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CharlesRCaplan DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 24, 9:35 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... DeleteThis @mailhaven.com>
> wrote:
>> http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdk...

> [snip a whole load of bigoted, fear-mongering speculation without
> even the slightest hint of possible proof.]
>
> So basically the author's comments come down to: "He's half black, he
> might be a Communist." God, I love it when people are so transparent
> in their bigotry.

Apparently the line "He's half-black, he must be a Muslim!" didn't work
out very well.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:24 pm
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<ErictheTolle RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 24, 9:03 pm, Elf M. Sternberg <e... RemoveThis @speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... RemoveThis @mailhaven.com> writes:

> > > I don't know how Barak Obama's parents met...
> >
> > ... but I'm not going to such a small detail stop me from
> > speculating wildly.

> I think it's telling that the whole post was just reprinted from a
> National Review article.

It shows how far NR has noved since the early 60s, when they were insulting
Martin Luther King. Not very.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:04 pm
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Dan Clore <clore DeleteThis @columbia-center.org> writes:
>CharlesRCaplan@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 24, 9:35 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... DeleteThis @mailhaven.com>
>> wrote:
>>> http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdk...

>> [snip a whole load of bigoted, fear-mongering speculation without
>> even the slightest hint of possible proof.]
>>
>> So basically the author's comments come down to: "He's half black, he
>> might be a Communist." God, I love it when people are so transparent
>> in their bigotry.

>Apparently the line "He's half-black, he must be a Muslim!" didn't work
>out very well.

I can hear the spittle just reading it...

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:38 pm
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdkY...OTJlNGE
>
>
> Tuesday, February 19, 2008
>
>
> Obama's Political Origins [Lisa Schiffren]
>
>
> Until I came across this article by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in
> Media, which I regard as factual -- with all that that implies

It doesn't imply much, considering the other stuff you consider factual.
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