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sorn_thailand

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:33 pm
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I have started using the above program and find that I can typeset a
whole book and layout the front cover - not quite intuitive and a bit
fiddly to get the text to end neatly and consistently at the bottom of
the page and placing frames on the front cover is a bit irksome - a
couple of hours learning curve, I would say if you are used to Word or
Pagemaker. But it has this really neat one click feature for making
PDF files that work fine and view in Acrobat without any problems.
However, it does not seem possible to change text in Acrobat using its
tools (not that I really wanted to) and I was wondering if this would
be a problem if files are sent to someone like Lightning Source (who
for instance add on the barcode for free) as they have some warnings
about using non-Adobe programs

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:32 pm
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Sorn wrote:

 > I have started using the above program and find that I can typeset a
 > whole book and layout the front cover - not quite intuitive and a bit
 > fiddly to get the text to end neatly and consistently at the bottom of
 > the page and placing frames on the front cover is a bit irksome - a
 > couple of hours learning curve, I would say if you are used to Word or
 > Pagemaker. But it has this really neat one click feature for making
 > PDF files that work fine and view in Acrobat without any problems.
 > However, it does not seem possible to change text in Acrobat using its
 > tools (not that I really wanted to) and I was wondering if this would
 > be a problem if files are sent to someone like Lightning Source (who
 > for instance add on the barcode for free) as they have some warnings
 > about using non-Adobe programs

I have found that it is quite good, but there seem to be a few problems (I'm
experimenting with the Linux version). First, when I placed a big,
high-resolution CMYK tiff file, the PDF output compressed the image too much
for my liking. Second, the pair kerning in Type 1 fonts is broken in OpenOffice
version 1.1, though it works fine in 1.0.3.

I think you should produce and place your own barcode in your book. A pdf from
OpenOffice, like many other pdf files, can be opened in Adobe Illustrator and
edited but Illustrator understands a very limited set of font encodings. So if
you used accented characters or even M-dashes, they might not be correctly
understood by Illustrator and another character would be substituted. Better to
not have Lightening Source edit your files.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:27 pm
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Thanks for that. The reason I let LS do the barcode is that I have had
problems with barcode generators transfering the files (into Pagemaker
at the time) in a manner that doesn't alter them! I used jpg's for
photos and didn't notice any degradation in the output from the pdf
file, BTW - the quality is in line with what you would expect from
LS's printing process, as experienced in the past using PM and
Acrobat.

Overall, considering it is a free program (running on Windows XP, BTW)
a little extra effort seems well worthwhile. I actually started using
it when Word threw a fit and refused to open; proir to that it had
seemed too much effort to get into compared to Word (which as a word
processor did everything I wanted but was useless as a layout tool as
I could not get consistent text layout on the page and it would throw
a fit when reformating book-sized files).

With Open Offic I define the layout and then type directly into it, so
in the end it will save a lot of time as no cut and pasting, importing
text and playing around to get the perfect layout in the DTP program
and then spending a lot of time getting it to export properly as a
PDF.

Anyone know a good free barcode program?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:00 am
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Yes, linux has a great free barcode program. It's called
bookland. It can be found here: http://www.cgpp.com/bookland/
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:02 am
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"rickeym" <rickeym.RemoveThis@nospam.swbell.net> wrote in message news:<b56a262beec4e55a00a623b6a0c2308d.RemoveThis@localhost.talkaboutabook.com>...
 > Yes, linux has a great free barcode program. It's called
<font color=purple> > bookland. It can be found here: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.cgpp.com/bookland/</font" target="_blank">http://www.cgpp.com/bookland/</font</a>>

I would imagine that Open Office shares at least some of the
limitations of
other word processors when thypesetting books and laying out covers.
The original poster mentioned difficulty in getting the bottoms of
page even.

To misquote Samuel Johnson, typesetting in a word processor is never
done well; the wonder is that it is done at all. TeX does typesetting
automatically. Details like aligning the text block bottoms, widow and
orphan supression and so on are handled autoamtiacally based on
commands given up front. A true editor like winedit, Vim, Emacs or
even notepad can be used to enter text, without much fuss over layout.
These operate much faster than Open Office, which takes a significant
time even to load.

Covers are a different matter, and although I have laid out a front
cover in TeX on occasion for any print book I would use Gimp,
Photoshop or something similar. There are horses for courses.

IMHO of course.

John Culleton<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 5:30 am
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> I have dumped Microsoft Office completely, except I still use Access.
> Otherwise I do everything now in StarOffice 7.0, including text
> preparation for placing in InDesign. I can copy from StarOffice Writer
> and paste into InDesign with exactly the same results as if I did it
> from Word, and I don't have to save in Word format to do so.
>
> But having said that, StarOffice/OpenOffice.org Writer has some layout
> capabilities well beyond what you can do in any of the other word
> processors. For example, you can place text in frames and thread the
> frames, using multiple stories per document. It's not as full-featured
> as doing the same in QuarkXPress/InDesign/PageMaker, but it's close.
> In addition, graphics can have adjustable bounding boxes for text
> wrap, and graphics actually stay where you put them. No CMYK, though.
> And if you want nice typesetting, it just uses the standard metric
> tables built into the font, and no special capabilities with OpenType.
> It is fully Unicode compliant, however.

I never looked at StarOffice/OpenOffice linked frames capabilities.
How well does it do at keeping bottom margins the same? This seems to
be one of the most common complaints about using a WP program for
layout. It never bothed me because I typically have one or more set
off equations and nearly one figure per page in my engineering
writing. As a result, I control the bottom margin easily with figure
placement there or by juggling white space around equations as needed.

Other than linked frames, I am sure that StarOffice/OpenOffice does
not offer things valuable to the technical writer like auto figure
numbering, auto equation numbering, index generation, cross
references, etc. On the other hand I am sure that it works much, much
better than MSWord for books composed of strictly prose.

Would everyone please stop using MSWord? It might come with your
computer, but its not a good piece of software. OpenOffice is free and
StarOffice is cheap.

Duane
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