Best Orwell Novel

"Martha Bridegam" <bridegam.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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 > ROBBIE wrote:
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  > > While the favourite book thing is being brought up here I might as well
pose
  > > this question (a quick google seems to reveal it hasn't been done before
but
  > > I feel it *must* have but anyway) what is your favourite Orwell novel
and
  > > what do you think is his best?
  > >
  > > My answer, in both cases is Coming Up For Air.
 >
 > I think we did play this game before and you'll be happy to know that Alan
 > agreed with you.
 >
 > IIRC I defended "A Clergyman's Daughter," but only out of cussedness. Not
sure
 > of my favorite now.

Yes but you have to decide which it is-- that is the *game* innit?


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 > Others -- ?
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ROBBIE wrote:

 > "Martha Bridegam" <bridegam RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
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  > >
  > > ROBBIE wrote:
  > >
   > > > While the favourite book thing is being brought up here I might as well
 > pose
   > > > this question (a quick google seems to reveal it hasn't been done before
 > but
   > > > I feel it *must* have but anyway) what is your favourite Orwell novel
 > and
   > > > what do you think is his best?
   > > >
   > > > My answer, in both cases is Coming Up For Air.
  > >
  > > I think we did play this game before and you'll be happy to know that Alan
  > > agreed with you.
  > >
  > > IIRC I defended "A Clergyman's Daughter," but only out of cussedness. Not
 > sure
  > > of my favorite now.
 >
 > Yes but you have to decide which it is-- that is the *game* innit?

All right, then, if we're limited to choosing among novels, *1984* is probably
my choice now. Not polished or healthy stuff, in fact written with a
punch-drunk willingness to write crudely and unscruplulously for the sake of
making an impression. Orwell had absorbed too much of the mood of the
militarist propaganda he was trying to expose, and in fact that's probably why
the hard-minded, censorious kind of anti-communists have found the book so
congenial. But it memorably names so many things that it would be difficult to
criticize if one couldn't name them. It's an essential book. It's just that
other people have written better novels.

Fair enough, Robbie?

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"Martha Bridegam" <mabjo.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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 > ROBBIE wrote:
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  > > "Martha Bridegam" <bridegam.TakeThisOut@pacbell.net> wrote in message
  > > news:3F94780B.BAB89462@pacbell.net...
   > > >
   > > >
   > > > ROBBIE wrote:
   > > >
   > > > > While the favourite book thing is being brought up here I might as
well
  > > pose
   > > > > this question (a quick google seems to reveal it hasn't been done
before
  > > but
   > > > > I feel it *must* have but anyway) what is your favourite Orwell
novel
  > > and
   > > > > what do you think is his best?
   > > > >
   > > > > My answer, in both cases is Coming Up For Air.
   > > >
   > > > I think we did play this game before and you'll be happy to know that
Alan
   > > > agreed with you.
   > > >
   > > > IIRC I defended "A Clergyman's Daughter," but only out of cussedness.
Not
  > > sure
   > > > of my favorite now.
  > >
  > > Yes but you have to decide which it is-- that is the *game* innit?
 >
 > All right, then, if we're limited to choosing among novels, *1984* is
probably
 > my choice now. Not polished or healthy stuff, in fact written with a
 > punch-drunk willingness to write crudely and unscruplulously for the sake
of
 > making an impression. Orwell had absorbed too much of the mood of the
 > militarist propaganda he was trying to expose, and in fact that's probably
why
 > the hard-minded, censorious kind of anti-communists have found the book so
 > congenial. But it memorably names so many things that it would be
difficult to
 > criticize if one couldn't name them. It's an essential book. It's just
that
 > other people have written better novels.
 >
 > Fair enough, Robbie?
 >
 > /M

Of course! A good reasoned argument. 1984 is like a sort of hellish
'photographic negative' version of CUFA don't you think?


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ROBBIE wrote


 > Of course! A good reasoned argument. 1984 is like a sort of hellish
 > 'photographic negative' version of CUFA don't you think?

Here's a thought I had last century:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=87WmbIATRrZ3Ew4J%40devesons.demon.co.uk&output=gplain" target="_blank">http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=87WmbIATRrZ3Ew4J%40devesons.dem...co.uk&o</a>

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ROBBIE wrote:

 > Of course! A good reasoned argument. 1984 is like a sort of hellish
 > 'photographic negative' version of CUFA don't you think?

Another last-century thought (also re CUFA being my favourite):


<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=rQuTReAoDwP4EwFn%40devesons.demon.co.uk&output=gplain" target="_blank">http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=rQuTReAoDwP4EwFn%40devesons.dem...co.uk&o</a>

Sorry for unoriginal musing -- it's deadline time again.

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"Tom Deveson" <all DeleteThis @devesons.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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 > ROBBIE wrote:
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 > Sorry for unoriginal musing -- it's deadline time again.
 >
 > Tom

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Tom Deveson wrote:

 > ROBBIE wrote:
 >
  > > Of course! A good reasoned argument. 1984 is like a sort of hellish
  > > 'photographic negative' version of CUFA don't you think?
 >
 > Another last-century thought (also re CUFA being my favourite):
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=rQuTReAoDwP4EwFn%40devesons.demon.co.uk&output=gplain</font" target="_blank">http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?selm=rQuTReAoDwP4EwFn%40devesons.dem...co.uk&o</a>>
 >
 > Sorry for unoriginal musing -- it's deadline time again.
 >
 > Tom

Deadline time here too, and yet here I am wasting time.

I don't know about CUFA. There's a lot of wonderful stuff in it, but I can't get past the
artificiality of Orwell imagining what it might be like to be fat and conventional. Seems like
he drags in Wodehouse and Flaubert to fill a gap in his own imagination.

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"j.rennie1" wrote:

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> > For example, there's the part where Bowling says that, being a grownup, he
> > doesn't care about sweets any more, and I'm not sure that's convincing as
> a
> > thing a fat sensual man would say.
> >
> > /M
> >
>
> Yes it is!

On the grounds that a grown-up gourmand might get fat on savories?

Sure, it's possible -- but shouldn't a person of Bowling's advertised character
be a little more self-indulgent generally?

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"Alan Hogue" <ahogue RemoveThis @lawdot.berkeleydot.edu> wrote in message
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> Martha Bridegam wrote:
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> >ROBBIE wrote:
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> I think that was his point, such as it is.
>
> Alan H.
>

Who rattled your cage cunty?
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ROBBIE wrote:

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>>Martha Bridegam wrote:
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>>>ROBBIE wrote:
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>>I think that was his point, such as it is.
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>>Alan H.
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>Who rattled your cage cunty?
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No one. Just amusing myself.

Alan H.
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Tom Deveson wrote
 > ROBBIE wrote
 >
 >
  > > Of course! A good reasoned argument. 1984 is like a sort of hellish
  > > 'photographic negative' version of CUFA don't you think?
 >
 > Here's a thought I had last century:

Here's another from the previous millennium:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=JZBLjNAUl5P4EwQ2%40devesons.demon.co.uk" target="_blank">http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=JZB...AUl5P4E</a>

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