Down and out in Paris with Omelette

were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
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Nigee wrote:
> On 27 Aug, 09:29, "ROBBIE" <hjkhj... DeleteThis @hhhh.com> wrote:
>> Just got back from Paris. An amusing incident (maybe ironic, given I'm an
>> Orwell fan): three of us sitting outside a cafe near the Opera yesterday
>> morning eating fine omelettes. A female tramp with a stew-coloured face
>> appears by our table. Mumbles something and then tries to swipe one of my
>> friends' omelette off his plate. The suited young maitre'd was nearby and
>> gave her a savage push/clout that flung her back on the pavement, back of
>> the head first. Dazed and very drunk, she mumbled that she was hungry, and
>> then got to her feet and shuffled off. It was very sad, but soon we were
>> laughing: the maitre'd asked if my pal wanted his omelette replace (she'd
>> managed to get her hand on it), which he did. But we speculated as to
>> whether the thumb of a tramp was a new, sought-after and exotic Parisian
>> seasoning.
>>
>> I saw an AWFUL lot of homeless people in Paris. All that socialism as
>> well... They can't have just appeared since Sarko took over, surely...
>>
>> N
>
> Haven't been to Paris in 4 or 5 years. I don't remember noticing much
> evidence of homelessness then, certainly not as much as in London.
> Cuffing people seems a bit much but, then again, so does swiping food
> off of people's plates.
>
>

Yeah, where's Inspector Javert when you need him?

Seriously, it sounds like a nasty mood there. Too bad. Thought things
were worse here but maybe it's just bad everywhere.

This month the SF Chron is on a rampage against homeless people. First
they don't want people panhandling or sleeping on streets, nor spending
time in parks either -- even out of sight -- and now they don't want
poor people recycling cans either. Because, heaven forbid, they might
earn money, which they might spend on temporary comforts, legal or
otherwise. See
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/26/BA62ROLT4.DTL .

Because street vending is very tightly regulated, recycling is one of
the few professions available here to people living outdoors.
Professional recyclers are generally too self-respecting to panhandle,
and you could almost think the Chron might respect that -- but, no, the
paper's managers are in frantic denial against believing that our
economy creates Third World phenomena like shantytowns, sidewalk
sleepers, and professional scavengers.

The Chron writers keep shamelessly using the word "solution." E.g. "What
is their solution to the homeless people in the park?" (see
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/28/BALSRQD7T.DTL
) and even -- from the mayor's spokesman, no less -- "Those 4 a.m.
sweeps will go on indefinitely...What is being implemented is what we
view as a permanent solution." (see
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/21/MNMCRM499.DTL
). Doesn't this kind of phrasing, in this kind of context, give anybody
the creeps any more?

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> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>

No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As Dr
Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is far
less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's also
welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.

N
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ROBBIE wrote:
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>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>
>
> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As Dr
> Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is far
> less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's also
> welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.
>
> N
>
>

Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)

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> ROBBIE wrote:
>> "P.S.Burton" <dlbits DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>>
>>
>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As
>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is
>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's
>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.
>>
>> N
>
> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>
> /M

Undertone of surly agression.

ROBBIE
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ROBBIE wrote:
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>> ROBBIE wrote:
>>> "P.S.Burton" <dlbits RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>>>
>>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
>>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As
>>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is
>>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's
>>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.
>>>
>>> N
>> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>>
>> /M
>
> Undertone of surly agression.
>
> ROBBIE
>
>

Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?

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> >> ROBBIE wrote:
> >>> "P.S.Burton" <dlb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>
> >>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
> >>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As
> >>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is
> >>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's
> >>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.
>
> >>> N
> >> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>
> >> /M
>
> > Undertone of surly agression.
>
> > ROBBIE
>
> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>
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old propaganda films??

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxda9oRRAc0

-people wait quietly in line
-people enter the bus in an orderly manner
-the conductor controls everything in a cheerful way
-it is this friendly cooperation between passenger and driver that
makes bus travelling confortable
-a cripple needs much kindness in his affliction
-Africans in particular have a great love for children.

This film shows a kinder, gentler time. And yet, it could be the
opening scenes from a twilight zone episode, with disturbing
undertones of a perfect society marred by...inferiors.

B.
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georgeorwell RemoveThis @email.com wrote:
> On 30 août, 11:00, Martha Bridegam <bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote:
>> ROBBIE wrote:
>>> "Martha Bridegam" <bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>>>> ROBBIE wrote:
>>>>> "P.S.Burton" <dlb... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>>>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
>>>>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As
>>>>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is
>>>>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's
>>>>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.
>>>>> N
>>>> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>>>> /M
>>> Undertone of surly agression.
>>> ROBBIE
>> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>>
>> /M- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
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>
> old propaganda films??
>
> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxda9oRRAc0
>
> -people wait quietly in line
> -people enter the bus in an orderly manner
> -the conductor controls everything in a cheerful way
> -it is this friendly cooperation between passenger and driver that
> makes bus travelling confortable
> -a cripple needs much kindness in his affliction
> -Africans in particular have a great love for children.
>
> This film shows a kinder, gentler time. And yet, it could be the
> opening scenes from a twilight zone episode, with disturbing
> undertones of a perfect society marred by...inferiors.
>
> B.
>


Creepy, yes, and "peut offenser." The people don't seem kind nor gentle,
but tightly bound by expectations. So odd to say it's "the custom" for
children to cross streets in a "procession" when clearly a teacher has
them lined up under her eye.

Was this intended to be shown to Africans considering study abroad?
Maybe to assure them they would find it safe to be strangers out
strolling in the countryside?

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On 30 août, 12:59, Martha Bridegam <bride....RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote:
> georgeorw....RemoveThis@email.com wrote:
> > On 30 août, 11:00, Martha Bridegam <bride....RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> ROBBIE wrote:
> >>> "Martha Bridegam" <bride....RemoveThis@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> >>>> ROBBIE wrote:
> >>>>> "P.S.Burton" <dlb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
> >>>>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
> >>>>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London.. As
> >>>>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there is
> >>>>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's
> >>>>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of London.
> >>>>> N
> >>>> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
> >>>> /M
> >>> Undertone of surly agression.
> >>> ROBBIE
> >> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>
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> > old propaganda films??
>
> >http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxda9oRRAc0
>
> > -people wait quietly in line
> > -people enter the bus in an orderly manner
> > -the conductor controls everything in a cheerful way
> > -it is this friendly cooperation between passenger and driver that
> > makes bus travelling confortable
> > -a cripple needs much kindness in his affliction
> > -Africans in particular have a great love for children.
>
> > This film shows a kinder, gentler time. And yet, it could be the
> > opening scenes from a twilight zone episode, with disturbing
> > undertones of a perfect society marred by...inferiors.
>
> > B.
>
> Creepy, yes, and "peut offenser." The people don't seem kind nor gentle,
> but tightly bound by expectations. So odd to say it's "the custom" for
> children to cross streets in a "procession" when clearly a teacher has
> them lined up under her eye.
>
> Was this intended to be shown to Africans considering study abroad?
> Maybe to assure them they would find it safe to be strangers out
> strolling in the countryside?
>
> /M- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -

Only the 'Colonial Film Unit' would know for certain. Perhaps to
ensure the colonials did as little damage to the motherland as
possible - or vice versa? I did some superficial research (ie,
googled) and found this not overly helpful info:

http://www.archive.org/details/journey_by_a_london_bus_TNA

"When the British government created the Colonial Film Unit in 1939,
its purpose was to make war propaganda films for the colonies. Later
in the war, the work of the C.F.U. was extended to the making of
instructional films, which became its main function once the war had
ended."

"In 1939 W. Sellers started up the Colonial Film Unit (CFU) as an
agent of development designed to lift standards in areas like health,
education, agriculture and industry among the local population
(Mgbejume, 1989: 39, 42). This focus of the CFU explained the kind of
films it produced: among its documentaries were those on Good
Business, Better Housing, Mixed Farming and Fight Tuberculosis. They
were basically educational and fitted the general policy direction of
the colonial administration."


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>>> ROBBIE wrote:
>>>> "P.S.Burton" <dlbits DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>>>>
>>>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
>>>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London. As
>>>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there
>>>> is far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The
>>>> style's also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of
>>>> London.
>>>>
>>>> N
>>> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>>>
>>> /M
>>
>> Undertone of surly agression.
>>
>> ROBBIE
>
> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>
> /M

There's still a lot of civility here, but there's also a growing trend of
arrogance and rudeness; youths are becoming particularly beastly. Liberals
breezily suggest that this has always been the case - there was a
wanky-lefter saying the same thing about our rocketing child-killing-child
culture here: 'Oh it was like that in 1740 dontcha know'. It's funny that
when it suits w.lefters they'll conclude that some vice 'has always gone
on', with the implication that we shouldn't worry unduly. Would they be so
unworried if and when they discover women working in 1740 condition for 1740
pay?

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On 30 août, 11:00, Martha Bridegam <bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote:
> ROBBIE wrote:
> > "Martha Bridegam" <bride... RemoveThis @pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> >> ROBBIE wrote:
> >>> "P.S.Burton" <dlb... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>
> >>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
> >>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London.
> >>> As
> >>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently: 'there
> >>> is
> >>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The style's
> >>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of
> >>> London.
>
> >>> N
> >> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>
> >> /M
>
> > Undertone of surly agression.
>
> > ROBBIE
>
> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>
> /M- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -

old propaganda films??

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxda9oRRAc0

-people wait quietly in line
-people enter the bus in an orderly manner
-the conductor controls everything in a cheerful way
-it is this friendly cooperation between passenger and driver that
makes bus travelling confortable
-a cripple needs much kindness in his affliction
-Africans in particular have a great love for children.

This film shows a kinder, gentler time. And yet, it could be the
opening scenes from a twilight zone episode, with disturbing
undertones of a perfect society marred by...inferiors.


You could only see it like that if you were stoned or determined see
something wrong it.

There's still kindness to disabled people and women, children and oaps on
buses. There's also a lot more moodiness. It isn't cheerful.

ROBBIE
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>>> ROBBIE wrote:
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>>>>> ROBBIE wrote:
>>>>>> "P.S.Burton" <dlb....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>>>>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
>>>>>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London.
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently:
>>>>>> 'there is
>>>>>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The
>>>>>> style's
>>>>>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of
>>>>>> London.
>>>>>> N
>>>>> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>>>>> /M
>>>> Undertone of surly agression.
>>>> ROBBIE
>>> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>>>
>>> /M- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
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>>
>> old propaganda films??
>>
>> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxda9oRRAc0
>>
>> -people wait quietly in line
>> -people enter the bus in an orderly manner
>> -the conductor controls everything in a cheerful way
>> -it is this friendly cooperation between passenger and driver that
>> makes bus travelling confortable
>> -a cripple needs much kindness in his affliction
>> -Africans in particular have a great love for children.
>>
>> This film shows a kinder, gentler time. And yet, it could be the
>> opening scenes from a twilight zone episode, with disturbing
>> undertones of a perfect society marred by...inferiors.
>>
>> B.
>>
>
>
> Creepy, yes,

How is it creepy? Creaky, yes...


>and "peut offenser."

What's offensive about it>?


The people don't seem kind nor gentle,
> but tightly bound by expectations.

Keep on waiting for the genuwine Rousseau nobles...


So odd to say it's "the custom" for
> children to cross streets in a "procession" when clearly a teacher has
> them lined up under her eye.

A custom is not a custom unless the children decide to organise themselves
that way? Of course, left to their own devices they'd cross in a much safer
way, wouldn't they?



>
> Was this intended to be shown to Africans considering study abroad? Maybe
> to assure them they would find it safe to be strangers out strolling in
> the countryside?
>

We didn't have lynchings and burnings and the the Klan here. The importation
of the US race relations anger into the UK via rap music and charlatans like
Jesse Jackson is Bad Thing. We;ve covered more ground with enthnic
minorities in 50 years than your country has in 250, and yet you have been
noted - not just by me - on this newsgroup saying how much 'further on' the
USA is on these issues.

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>>>>>> "P.S.Burton" <dlb... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1188308084.400091.282490@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> were you there for rock en seine? I'd have loved to go to that.
>>>>>> No, just a few friends getting away from London. Paris is ruinously
>>>>>> expensive, but, on a person to person basis, less moody than London.
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> Dr Dalrymple -- who lives there now -- said somehwere recently:
>>>>>> 'there is
>>>>>> far less of the triumphant ignorance you find in Britain'. The
>>>>>> style's
>>>>>> also welcome after long stints of the alleged utilitarianism of
>>>>>> London.
>>>>>> N
>>>>> Woss "moody"? (Genuinely curious.)
>>>>> /M
>>>> Undertone of surly agression.
>>>> ROBBIE
>>> Where did Brits get their U.S. reputation for strained politeness?
>>>
>>> /M- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
>>>
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>>
>> old propaganda films??
>>
>> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxda9oRRAc0
>>
>> -people wait quietly in line
>> -people enter the bus in an orderly manner
>> -the conductor controls everything in a cheerful way
>> -it is this friendly cooperation between passenger and driver that
>> makes bus travelling confortable
>> -a cripple needs much kindness in his affliction
>> -Africans in particular have a great love for children.
>>
>> This film shows a kinder, gentler time. And yet, it could be the
>> opening scenes from a twilight zone episode, with disturbing
>> undertones of a perfect society marred by...inferiors.
>>
>> B.
>>
>
>
> Creepy, yes, and "peut offenser." The people don't seem kind nor gentle,
> but tightly bound by expectations. So odd to say it's "the custom" for
> children to cross streets in a "procession" when clearly a teacher has
> them lined up under her eye.
>
> Was this intended to be shown to Africans considering study abroad? Maybe
> to assure them they would find it safe to be strangers out strolling in
> the countryside?
>
> /M

pps: Liberals in England always laugh at old propaganda films, but never at
the new propaganda: works just as divorced from reality made by the leftist
BBC or commissioned by the Arts Council. Watch a few episodes of
Eastenders...

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