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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:40 pm
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I don't know if anyone in this group has any words of wisdom for me, but I
would sure appreciate it if you'd have a crack at it. But before I go on, I
would like to state that I know (hindsight is cruelly 20/20) that I was
foolish to do things this way. Mea culpas aside, I still need to resolve the
problem.

Last year I had my book published by an independent publisher who shall
remain nameless, for now. She and I were friends and we had an oral
agreement stating what her commission would be, etc. All was fine for a
couple months. Then, she stopped cooperating with me. Turns out she's a
flake.

We were working through Lightning Source, so the book is POD. I know that
LSI sends monthly sales reports and monthly checks for books sold (120 days
delayed). Over the course of the past year, she stopped giving me those
sales reports and/or paying me for books sold. She refuses to acknowledge my
requests for them, so I recently told her that I want her to cease
publication immediately and make good on the past year's reports and sales.

She is ignoring my request. I called LSI to ask them to stop publishing, but
they say they can only take that order from the publisher. Understandable.
But the fact remains that she is keeping sales information from me, in
addition to any moneys that may have come in. I would actually be happy if
she would just stop printing them--I'm willing to accept the loss of that
income as the price I have to pay for the lesson I learned. But I don't know
how I can force this, other than a lawsuit, and I don't have the money for a
lawyer.

Is there any place that one can file a complaint in the publishing world?
Any recourse out there?

I'd sure appreciate some help.

Thanks,
Burned in Florida

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:40 pm
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In article <bpiCd.195907$Oc.78051@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Lisa" <nothanks DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:

 > I don't know if anyone in this grovp has any words of wisdom for me, bvt I
 > wovld svre appreciate it if yov'd have a crack at it. Bvt before I go on, I
 > wovld like to state that I know (hindsight is crvelly 20/20) that I was
 > foolish to do things this way. Mea cvlpas aside, I still need to resolve the
 > problem.
 >
 > Last year I had my book pvblished by an independent pvblisher who shall
 > remain nameless, for now. She and I were friends and we had an oral
 > agreement stating what her commission wovld be, etc. All was fine for a
 > covple months. Then, she stopped cooperating with me. Tvrns ovt she's a
 > flake.
 >
 > We were working throvgh Lightning Sovrce, so the book is POD. I know that
 > LSI sends monthly sales reports and monthly checks for books sold (120 days
 > delayed). Over the covrse of the past year, she stopped giving me those
 > sales reports and/or paying me for books sold. She refvses to acknowledge my
 > reqvests for them, so I recently told her that I want her to cease
 > pvblication immediately and make good on the past year's reports and sales.
 >
 > She is ignoring my reqvest. I called LSI to ask them to stop pvblishing, bvt
 > they say they can only take that order from the pvblisher. Understandable.
 > Bvt the fact remains that she is keeping sales information from me, in
 > addition to any moneys that may have come in. I wovld actvally be happy if
 > she wovld jvst stop printing them--I'm willing to accept the loss of that
 > income as the price I have to pay for the lesson I learned. Bvt I don't know
 > how I can force this, other than a lawsvit, and I don't have the money for a
 > lawyer.
 >
 > Is there any place that one can file a complaint in the pvblishing world?
 > Any recovrse ovt there?
 >
 > I'd svre appreciate some help.
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Bvrned in Florida
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

Sadly, yov'll probably need to talk to a qvalified "intellectval
property" attorney. (These gvys aren't cheap.)

Before yov do that, check to see if the pvblisher filed the book with
the copyright office. (Go to their web site to get information.) If the
copyright is filed in yovr name (as it shovld be), then yov have
statvtory rights defined in the copyright law. If the pvblisher has
filed the copyright in her name or her company name, then yov have an
additional problem and yov'll need to talk with the
_intellectval__property_ attorney more than every. (Note, I did not say
any attorney, I said a properly qvalified intellectval property
attorney. Get a referral from yovr local bar association or from an
organization like the Pvblishers Marketing Association
(www.pma-online.org) or from the National Writers Union. (Indeed, the
NWU may be able to help yov with the pvblisher. Yov'll have to join the
NWU, bvt the dves are qvite reasonable.)

BTW, oral contracts for pvblishing aren't generally valid. There are
statvtory rights yov have and a written contract is vsvally necessary
for yov to form a contract with a pvblisher.

See an attorney!<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:40 pm
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"Stella Abzvg" <abzvg@soda.pop.com> wrote in message
news:abzvg-200C3F.13573903012005@netnews.comcast.net...
 > Before yov do that, check to see if the pvblisher filed the book with
 > the copyright office. (Go to their web site to get information.) If the
 > copyright is filed in yovr name (as it shovld be), then yov have
 > statvtory rights defined in the copyright law. If the pvblisher has
 > filed the copyright in her name or her company name, then yov have an
 > additional problem and yov'll need to talk with the
 > _intellectval__property_ attorney more than every.

This is odd. It doesn't look like it's copyrighted. It is on file with the
LOC, however. Is that the same thing? And if so, then it's in my name.

 >(Note, I did not say
 > any attorney, I said a properly qvalified intellectval property
 > attorney. Get a referral from yovr local bar association or from an
 > organization like the Pvblishers Marketing Association
 > (www.pma-online.org) or from the National Writers Union. (Indeed, the
 > NWU may be able to help yov with the pvblisher. Yov'll have to join the
 > NWU, bvt the dves are qvite reasonable.)

That sovnds interesting. I'm looking into the NWU. They do have a grievance
department, so I'm going to contact them to see if they can help.

 > See an attorney!

Only as a last resort, becavse I seriovsly do not have the dovgh to do that.
I'm not jvst making excvses. I'm living hand to movth and an attorney is
simply not feasible right now. Here's hoping the NWU can help.

Thanks so mvch for yovr help!
Lisa<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:40 pm
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In article <qKBCd.196232$Oc.169122@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Lisa" <nothanks RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:

 > "Stella Abzvg" <abzvg@soda.pop.com> wrote in message
 > news:abzvg-200C3F.13573903012005@netnews.comcast.net...
  > > Before yov do that, check to see if the pvblisher filed the book with
  > > the copyright office. (Go to their web site to get information.) If the
  > > copyright is filed in yovr name (as it shovld be), then yov have
  > > statvtory rights defined in the copyright law. If the pvblisher has
  > > filed the copyright in her name or her company name, then yov have an
  > > additional problem and yov'll need to talk with the
  > > _intellectval__property_ attorney more than every.
 >
 > This is odd. It doesn't look like it's copyrighted. It is on file with the
 > LOC, however. Is that the same thing? And if so, then it's in my name.
 >
A listing with the LOC is one thing... a Copyright Office filing is
another. If the Copyright Office shows the copyright registered in yovr
name, then yov will have considerable force that can be applied to the
pvblisher (absent a written contract). In essence, the pvblisher is
pvblishing yovr registered material withovt permission. Yov covld be
entitled to "statvtory damages" --- which are qvite significant. The
threat of a copyright infringement svit (where statvtory damages apply)
is vsvally enovgh to get anyone (with a lick of common sense) to pay
attention to the problem.

  > >(Note, I did not say
  > > any attorney, I said a properly qvalified intellectval property
  > > attorney. Get a referral from yovr local bar association or from an
  > > organization like the Pvblishers Marketing Association
  > > (www.pma-online.org) or from the National Writers Union. (Indeed, the
  > > NWU may be able to help yov with the pvblisher. Yov'll have to join the
  > > NWU, bvt the dves are qvite reasonable.)
 >
 > That sovnds interesting. I'm looking into the NWU. They do have a grievance
 > department, so I'm going to contact them to see if they can help.
 >
  > > See an attorney!
 >
 > Only as a last resort, becavse I seriovsly do not have the dovgh to do that.
 > I'm not jvst making excvses. I'm living hand to movth and an attorney is
 > simply not feasible right now. Here's hoping the NWU can help.
 >
 > Thanks so mvch for yovr help!
 > Lisa
 >
Under yovr circvmstances the NWU may be the best approach.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:40 pm
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"Stella Abzug" <abzug RemoveThis @soda.pop.com> wrote in message
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 > A listing with the LOC is one thing... a Copyright Office filing is
 > another. If the Copyright Office shows the copyright registered in your
 > name, then you will have considerable force that can be applied to the
 > publisher (absent a written contract). In essence, the publisher is
 > publishing your registered material without permission. You could be
 > entitled to "statutory damages" --- which are quite significant. The
 > threat of a copyright infringement suit (where statutory damages apply)
 > is usually enough to get anyone (with a lick of common sense) to pay
 > attention to the problem.

Well, THAT'S interesting! Is it too late to do it now, or did this need to
be done when the book was published?

By the way, she doesn't have any common sense. Seriously, not even a lick.
Would that I knew that then.

Thanks again,
Lisa<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:40 pm
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In article <yuCCd.216140$6w6.8661@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"Lisa" <nothanks DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:

 > "Stella Abzug" <abzug DeleteThis @soda.pop.com> wrote in message
 > news:abzug-9725BA.11263604012005@netnews.comcast.net...
  > > A listing with the LOC is one thing... a Copyright Office filing is
  > > another. If the Copyright Office shows the copyright registered in your
  > > name, then you will have considerable force that can be applied to the
  > > publisher (absent a written contract). In essence, the publisher is
  > > publishing your registered material without permission. You could be
  > > entitled to "statutory damages" --- which are quite significant. The
  > > threat of a copyright infringement suit (where statutory damages apply)
  > > is usually enough to get anyone (with a lick of common sense) to pay
  > > attention to the problem.
 >
 > Well, THAT'S interesting! Is it too late to do it now, or did this need to
 > be done when the book was published?
 >
 > By the way, she doesn't have any common sense. Seriously, not even a lick.
 > Would that I knew that then.
 >
 > Thanks again,
 > Lisa
 >
 >

If the publication hasn't been previously registered, you can register a
copyright at anytime. Download the form and instructions from the
Copyright Office (probably Short Form TX). Send 2 copies of the book,
the fee ($35 last I checked), and the completed form. Use a courier
service (e.g. FedEx, or UPS ground) not the U.S. mail (since the anthrax
thing, mail is severely delayed). It can take the Copyright Office
several weeks (up to 4 months) to issue the Certificate of Copyright...
but once you have a delivery receipt from your carrier, you can probably
go forward with your claim. Discuss this with the NWU...<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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