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Leebehr

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:39 am
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I recently bought a copy of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe--the
2-disk set. On the 2nd disk is some additional material that gives you
some additonal iformation about the Pevensies' reign in Narnia. Both
Archenland and Calormen are mentioned. Both are pronounced differently
than I have always thought they would be (never actually having heard
the names spoken aloud). I always pronounced Archenland with a
"ch"--this version has the ch voiced as a "k". Calormen was rendered
"CaLORmen". I always thought "CALormen".

Considering the narrator was British woudl this be the British
pronuciation or did Lewis actually set out the correct modes?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:24 pm
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In article <1158161964.351929.220690.DeleteThis@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Leebehr <lgrupsmith.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently bought a copy of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe--the
> 2-disk set. On the 2nd disk is some additional material that gives you
> some additonal iformation about the Pevensies' reign in Narnia. Both
> Archenland and Calormen are mentioned. Both are pronounced differently
> than I have always thought they would be (never actually having heard
> the names spoken aloud). I always pronounced Archenland with a
> "ch"--this version has the ch voiced as a "k". Calormen was rendered
> "CaLORmen". I always thought "CALormen".
>
> Considering the narrator was British woudl this be the British
> pronuciation or did Lewis actually set out the correct modes?
>
"Correct" is defined by "what educated people say."

How do you know who's educated? By whether he talks correctly.

After you have reconciled those two propositions, you can face the real
difficulty, which is that the correct pronunciation must be that of the
(English-speaking) (and educated) inhabitants of Archenland and
Calormen.

When you get back from your trip, please do tell us about it, and feel
free to post photos on your web site.

--
Chris Henrich
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God just doesn't fit inside a single religion.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:11 am
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Leebehr <lgrupsmith.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> observed
>I recently bought a copy of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe--the
>2-disk set. On the 2nd disk is some additional material that gives you
>some additonal iformation about the Pevensies' reign in Narnia. Both
>Archenland and Calormen are mentioned. Both are pronounced differently
>than I have always thought they would be (never actually having heard
>the names spoken aloud). I always pronounced Archenland with a
>"ch"--this version has the ch voiced as a "k". Calormen was rendered
>"CaLORmen". I always thought "CALormen".
>
>Considering the narrator was British woudl this be the British
>pronuciation or did Lewis actually set out the correct modes?

Like you, I can't remember having heard them pronounced (Though
presumably I have done through various BBC readings and plays.)

I have always assumed (and read to my children) the pronunciations that
you heard[1] - so that may be because I'm British!

Interested in other's views.

Mike


[1] "ArKenland" certainly, but there's
CAL-ormen
ca-LOR-men (as you suggest) &
cal-OR-men.
My pronunciation lies between the latter two.

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Leebehr

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:46 am
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Digging for those mysterious rings...

Christopher J. Henrich wrote:
> >
> "Correct" is defined by "what educated people say."
>
> How do you know who's educated? By whether he talks correctly.
>
> After you have reconciled those two propositions, you can face the real
> difficulty, which is that the correct pronunciation must be that of the
> (English-speaking) (and educated) inhabitants of Archenland and
> Calormen.
>
> When you get back from your trip, please do tell us about it, and feel
> free to post photos on your web site.
>
> --
> Chris Henrich
> http://www.mathinteract.com
> God just doesn't fit inside a single religion.
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Roberto Abajo

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:56 am
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Michael J Davis <?.?@trustsof.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:Gv8IEGGkyRCFFwtN@trustsof.demon.co.uk.invalid:

....
>>Considering the narrator was British woudl this be the British
>>pronuciation or did Lewis actually set out the correct modes?
>
> Like you, I can't remember having heard them pronounced (Though
> presumably I have done through various BBC readings and plays.)
>
> I have always assumed (and read to my children) the pronunciations
> that you heard[1] - so that may be because I'm British!
>
> Interested in other's views.
>
> Mike
>
>
> [1] "ArKenland" certainly, but there's
> CAL-ormen
> ca-LOR-men (as you suggest) &
> cal-OR-men.
> My pronunciation lies between the latter two.
....

I have always gone along with the assumed pronunciation of the root poster,
but that may be because I am a Yank too, and hence linguistically beyond
the pale Smile

Seriously, I don't think CSL ever put down the "proper" pronunciation of
Narnian names and places -- maybe this was just the least of the things
that "wouldn't do" about the series in Tolkien's opinion. I would venture
a guess that whatever it was (BTW, I think we must regard Lewis' own
readings to the Inklings of the work-in-progress as "authetic", whatever
they may have been), it was far less important to him than the Christian
message showing through to his (nominal) audience.

RA
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