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mdi00

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2003 6:51 pm
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In the 1984 movie version of 1984 starring John Hurt, the c in
the word word "Oceania" is pronounced like an s rather than a sh,
and so is the last s in "Eastasia" (unlike that of "Eurasia").
My question is: was this done according to some guideline set
down by Orwell himself? How were these names pronounced in earlier
movie versions of the same novel?

Marco

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:39 am
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I seem to recall in the 1956 version (O'Brien/Sterling/Redgrave) Oceania was
pronounced with an "sh"... Not sure about Eastasis/Eurasia.

Lee

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 > In the 1984 movie version of 1984 starring John Hurt, the c in
 > the word word "Oceania" is pronounced like an s rather than a sh,
 > and so is the last s in "Eastasia" (unlike that of "Eurasia").
 > My question is: was this done according to some guideline set
 > down by Orwell himself? How were these names pronounced in earlier
 > movie versions of the same novel?
 >
 > Marco<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:19 am
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"Lee Grupsmith" <lgrupsmith DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<oPe3b.6443$3E.2842@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
 > I seem to recall in the 1956 version (O'Brien/Sterling/Redgrave) Oceania was
 > pronounced with an "sh"... Not sure about Eastasis/Eurasia.
 >
 > Lee

Thanks, by the way one other thing which annoyed me a little bit in
the 1984 version was that Goldstein's name was pronounced "Goldsteen".

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:50 am
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Marco wrote:

 >"Lee Grupsmith" <lgrupsmith.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<oPe3b.6443$3E.2842@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
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  >>I seem to recall in the 1956 version (O'Brien/Sterling/Redgrave) Oceania was
  >>pronounced with an "sh"... Not sure about Eastasis/Eurasia.
  >>
  >>Lee
  >>
  >>
 >
 >Thanks, by the way one other thing which annoyed me a little bit in
 >the 1984 version was that Goldstein's name was pronounced "Goldsteen".
 >
 >Marco
 >

It's not unusual for jewish names with 'ei', in america, at least, to be
pronounced that way. It always seemed kind of odd to me, too. I heard
somewhere that it became common during one of the world wars when people
were keen not to sound german.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:42 pm
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"Alan Hogue" <ahogue.TakeThisOut@lawdot.berkeleydot.edu> wrote in message
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  > >Thanks, by the way one other thing which annoyed me a little bit in
  > >the 1984 version was that Goldstein's name was pronounced "Goldsteen".
 >
 > It's not unusual for jewish names with 'ei', in america, at least, to be
 > pronounced that way. It always seemed kind of odd to me, too. I heard
 > somewhere that it became common during one of the world wars when people
 > were keen not to sound german.

A couple of months ago Christopher Hitchens made a big deal out of this,
alleging in a not-very-subtle way that the BBC was guilty of anti-Semitism
because one of its presenters insisting on pronouncing "Wolfowitz" in the
traditional Germanic form - ie. the way most Britons would naturally say it.
Poor old Hitch; his routine is getting old fast. In _Slate_ at the moment
the brave iconoclast has launched a diatribe against (yawn) the Ten
Commandments. Didn't someone with rather better comic timing do this bit a
long time ago? <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html</a>

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:26 pm
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Must have been a British thing...I noticed it too

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 > Thanks, by the way one other thing which annoyed me a little bit in
 > the 1984 version was that Goldstein's name was pronounced "Goldsteen".
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