Ptavvs

Bill Hicks wrote:
 > Yea but I'm having some trouble following it. I'm wondering about the
Kzanol
 > character, is there just one of him or his personality kinda split?
I'm
 > aware that Kzanol, the thrint, got into Greenbergs body but then it's
 > talking about another thrint that also goes by the name Kzanol? I'm
not
 > sure, I'm nearly at the half way point can anyone enlighten me?
thanks

Kzanol's personality isn't split: that's two personalities in one body.
Kzanol's personality is duplicated: one personality duplicated in too
different bodies.

When Greenberg engages in telepathy with someone, he wakes up with
memories of being Greenberg, and memories of being the other person.
It's normally easy for him to decide which memories were his, and which
were borrowed, because his own memories include the knowledge that he's
a telepath. However, Kzanol was used to controlling other people's
minds. As a result, Kzanol's memories, residing in Greenberg's head,
were strong enough to leave Greenberg with the strong conviction the he
was actually Kzanol. As the story moves along, Greenberg gets a
steadily better idea of what's going on, and he eventually realizes
that he's not Kzanol. However, the Kzanol personality is so strong that
it keeps control of Greenberg even after that realization. "Copy of
Kzanol" recognises that the Thrint is the real Kzanol, but still thinks
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Yea but I'm having some trouble following it. I'm wondering about the Kzanol
character, is there just one of him or his personality kinda split? I'm
aware that Kzanol, the thrint, got into Greenbergs body but then it's
talking about another thrint that also goes by the name Kzanol? I'm not
sure, I'm nearly at the half way point can anyone enlighten me? thanks

"T" <tberk.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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 > Bill Hicks wrote:
  > > I'm reading this book 'World of Ptavvs' Damn Larry Niven is a madman
  > >
  > >
 >
 >
 > Heh heh heh.
 >
 > Yep, fertile ground for films too.
 >
 >
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In article <H7XNd.27015$wi2.23207@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Bill Hicks
wrote:
 > I'm
 > aware that Kzanol, the thrint, got into Greenbergs body but then it's
 > talking about another thrint that also goes by the name Kzanol? I'm not
 > sure, I'm nearly at the half way point can anyone enlighten me? thanks
 >
Further to Kuyper's explanation, there's also occasional
flashbacks to the memories of the thrint, which IIRC are told from both
Real-Kzanol's point of view and Copy-of-Kzanol-in-Greenberg's-body's
point of view.

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On 2/7/2005 11:21 PM Bill Hicks cranked up the brainbox and said:
 > Yea but I'm having some trouble following it. I'm wondering about the Kzanol
 > character, is there just one of him or his personality kinda split? I'm
 > aware that Kzanol, the thrint, got into Greenbergs body but then it's
 > talking about another thrint that also goes by the name Kzanol? I'm not
 > sure, I'm nearly at the half way point can anyone enlighten me? thanks

Kzanol's telepathy overwhelmed Greenberg, and created an imprint so strong on
Greenberg that it effectively created a "copy" of Kzanol in Greenberg, but it
doesn't know it's a copy. Kzanol himself is still himself, also unaware there
is a copy in Greenberg's head. It takes Greenberg a while to get the imprinted
copy under control, so for a while, Greenberg thinks he's Kzanol and acts like it.

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How do you pronounce Ptavvs? I think it's "Tavs" but I'm not sure

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 > On 2/7/2005 11:21 PM Bill Hicks cranked up the brainbox and said:
  > > Yea but I'm having some trouble following it. I'm wondering about the
Kzanol
  > > character, is there just one of him or his personality kinda split? I'm
  > > aware that Kzanol, the thrint, got into Greenbergs body but then it's
  > > talking about another thrint that also goes by the name Kzanol? I'm not
  > > sure, I'm nearly at the half way point can anyone enlighten me? thanks
 >
 > Kzanol's telepathy overwhelmed Greenberg, and created an imprint so strong
on
 > Greenberg that it effectively created a "copy" of Kzanol in Greenberg, but
it
 > doesn't know it's a copy. Kzanol himself is still himself, also unaware
there
 > is a copy in Greenberg's head. It takes Greenberg a while to get the
imprinted
 > copy under control, so for a while, Greenberg thinks he's Kzanol and acts
like it.
 >
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On 3/3/2005 8:54 PM Bill Hicks cranked up the brainbox and said:
 > How do you pronounce Ptavvs? I think it's "Tavs" but I'm not sure

That's how I've always pronounced it. I think Greenburg explains that's how
it's pronounced somewhere too.

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"Bill Hicks" <none.RemoveThis@none.com> wrote in message news:HdPVd.88

 > How do you pronounce Ptavvs? I think it's "Tavs" but I'm not sure

It's spelled "Ptavvs" but it's pronounced "throatwobblermangrove".

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Bill Hicks wrote:
 > How do you pronounce Ptavvs? I think it's "Tavs" but I'm not sure
 >


I think those flying dinosaurs show precedence.


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In article <Kw6Wd.11491$Pz7.1744@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
T <tberk DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 > Bill Hicks wrote:

  >> How do you pronounce Ptavvs? I think it's "Tavs" but I'm not sure

 > I think those flying dinosaurs show precedence.

Except that white grouse come first in the dictionary.


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