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THE X-AXIS
27 June 2004
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For more links, cover art, archived reviews, and information on the
X-Axis mailing list, visit http://www.thexaxis.com

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This week:

ASTONISHING X-MEN #2 - "Gifted, part 2 of 6"
by Joss Whedon, John Cassaday and Laura Martin

EXCALIBUR #2 - "Forging the Sword, part 2 of 4"
by Chris Claremont, Aaron Lopresti and Greg Adams

MYSTIQUE #16 - "Unnatural, part 3 of 5"
by Sean McKeever, Manuel Garcia and Jay Leisten

WEAPON X #25 - "War of the Programs, conclusion"
by Frank Tieri, Tom Mandrake and Brad Anderson

THE WITCHING #1 - "Fly Me To The Moon"
by Jonathan Vankin, Leigh Gallagher and Ron Randall

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We're now into the second month of Reload, and the newer books are
beginning to hit their stride.

ASTONISHING X-MEN has got off to a decent start. If the editorial
direction for the books is to go back to basics, then Whedon and
Cassaday are handling it the right way. The book picks up from the
starting point Morrison left behind, shifts style to a more traditional
approach, but has enough style of its own to stop it seeming like a mere
retread. It's clearly heavily inspired by the Claremont stories of the
eighties, but it isn't attempting to clone them.

Whedon has spent his first couple of issues setting up his core cast and
establishing where the tensions lie. For the most part, he's got the
right balance between playing off the history and stopping that history
from overpowering the story. It makes perfect sense, for example, for
Kitty to be unusually wary of Emma Frost, given that Emma was the first
villain she encountered. But to follow the idea Whedon's setting up,
you don't require to know anything more about the story; and what you do
need to know is suitably explained.

It looks like Whedon is particularly keen on Kitty and Emma. That
shouldn't really come as much surprise. The heroic teenage girl and the
reformed villain are two of his favourite character types, and here he's
got two of them just waiting to be used. His Emma possibly veers a bit
too far in the direction of villainous ambivolence rather than mere
arrogance - after all, Emma hasn't actually done anything all that bad
in over a decade. Still, there's mileage in the idea that she's
conscious of not being cut out for the role.

Granted, there's nothing desperately new or innovative being added to
the mythos here. We have a new villain, but thus far he's not doing
anything particularly novel. The idea of wiping out mutant powers as a
medical cure has been flirted with before. Plus, there seems to be a
glaring plot hole - Ord was apparently trying to draw out the X-Men, but
why would he expect them to turn up in response to a kidnapping which
has nothing to do with them? The story makes some play of the fact that
Cyclops is taking the team on this mission precisely because it's not
the sort of thing they normally do, and he's trying to reposition them
as heroes in the public eye. So either Ord knows something we don't,
which is possible, or Ord has just fluked his way into success with a
wildly optimistic plan.

But for the most part, I can let these problems slide. It may not be
the most ambitious comic in the world, but it has a clear idea of what
it's trying to do, and it pretty much succeeds. Whedon has nailed the
characters, and John Cassaday's art is typically beautiful, adding a
degree of delicacy to the story.

If this is the direction Marvel want to go in, then this is certainly
the way to do it.

Rating: A-

LINKS:
http://www.marvel.com
http://www.johncassaday.com

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I expected to be really, really irritated by EXCALIBUR #2. But I
wasn't. I wasn't irritated at all.

I was too busy laughing for that.

Chris Claremont is a bizarrely inconsistent writer these days. X-Treme
X-Men oscillated between "quite interesting" and "absolutely terrible."
It seems to depend largely on whether he's stretching himself and
exploring new ideas, or whether he's sticking doggedly to pet themes.
The former tends to be fairly decent. The latter is frequently horrific
- as, for example, with the last arc of X-Treme X-Men.

Reload seems to have led to a curious split. Uncanny X-Men is perfectly
readable and fairly enjoyable. Excalibur, on the other hand, is
absolute dross. It's impossible to be genuinely irritated by this
issue. Instead, I find myself sniggering at the sheer desperate
petulance of the whole enterprise.

As I've said before, there's nothing inherently wrong with bringing back
Magneto. He was only really killed in order to add a sense of finality
to "Planet X", and those sorts of deaths are fair game for reversal.
However, Claremont simply bulldozes the entire storyline aside by
blithely dismissing Morrison's Magneto as "an impostor." Which, by the
way, completely screws up Morrison's storyline, because thematically it
has to be the real Magneto.

To be fair to Claremont, X-Men is also unpicking the same story -
proving that when Morrison leaves, the X-office really can go from
nought to clueless in sixty seconds - and it may well be that a proper
explanation is being reserved for that book. Still, it doesn't take
much examination to see the plot of this issue crumble, Austen-style,
into an ill-thought-out mess.

For example: Xavier was apparently not surprised to see Magneto alive in
Genosha. It seems they were expecting to meet up. That means there was
communication. If there was communication, why doesn't Magneto know
about the death of Jean Grey and "his" attack on New York? If he can
contact the outside world, wouldn't he have noticed this sort of thing?
If he can't contact the outside world, how did Xavier contact him? And
even then, why didn't Xavier tell him?

If, on the other hand, Xavier wasn't expecting to find Magneto there,
why didn't he show any signs of surprise? On either view, why does
Xavier assume that this Magneto is the real one and the one from New
X-Men was the fake? And why should anyone else?

Come to think of it, given that Magneto was in a wheelchair the last
time we saw him, how did he get restored to health when he's apparently
spent the whole time trapped in a radioactive wasteland with no
hospitals? (At least Morrison's plot has the justification that he
leaves Genosha at some point - Claremont's version has apparently been
trapped here, or at least has chosen not to leave, throughout.) In
fact, given that Genosha was reduced to an uninhabitable radioactive
wasteland, how did any of these people survive at all?

All of these points at least need to be addressed in order to give the
story the slightest believability - but Claremont apparently feels
otherwise. In fact, his revisions of Magneto's history go further back,
as apparently we're also meant to forget the fact that just before
Morrison came along, Magneto was raising an army and planning to conquer
the world. Come to think of it, he didn't blackmail the UN into handing
over Genosha, either. It was Alda Huxley's idea to give it to him. He
accepted the deal because he'd just burnt out his powers in the middle
of another old-school world conquest attempt, and it was the best deal
on the table.

Excalibur comes across, at the very least, as an exercise in arrogant
and petulant disdain for the work of other writers. Claremont's hardcore
fanbase will doubtless be delighted with the book, but the broader
commercial wisdom of this approach is extremely doubtful. After all,
Morrison was outselling Claremont by more than two to one.

Throw in a general lack of drama, no interesting villains and some
entirely annoying supporting characters, and the result is an absolute
mess. The art doesn't do much to save it - Lopresti's linework is
competent enough but hardly striking, and the whole book is marred with
some very dodgy colouring. Liquid! seem to have developed a love for
texture patterns, and as a result the book is full of two-dimensional
textures dumped awkwardly onto objects that are being viewed at an angle
(and seemingly retaining the same resolution no matter how far from the
camera they are). Look, for example, at the walls on page 3, panel 2.
Or the floors on page 5. It really doesn't look good.

Two issues in, then, and Excalibur is looking like an absolute
trainwreck. Worse than I'd ever anticipated.

Rating: D+

LINKS:
http://www.aaronlopresti.com

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MYSTIQUE is now halfway through "Unnatural", and sticking to the proven
formula.

Lots of running around corridors in this one, and a bit of shouting
between Mystique and Shortpack about her priorities. Plus, some more
fighting. It's not easy to review in isolation, since it's just the
middle act of a story that's already established its course by now. We
know the formula by this point, we know it works, and the issue's as
good as ever. There's just not a lot to say about the middle chapter of
the storyline.

Oh, hold on. We've got a new inker, Jay Leisten. That's worth
mentioning. Let's see, has the new inker marked a major departure from
the formula?

....

Well, the lines are a bit heavier, I guess. And it's a little bit
looser. Otherwise, not much difference, though.

Perfectly solid action issue, as per usual. What more can you say?

Rating: B+

LINKS:
http://www.seanmckeever.com

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WEAPON X wraps up "War of the Programs" with issue #25. Mind you,
saying that perhaps gives an undue impression of closure.

Although Weapon X tends to work in fairly short arcs, with three or four
issues becoming the norm, and it does steer clear of undue
decompression, it would be a little misleading to infer that anything
really gets resolved at the end of any of these arcs. This turns out to
be another "conclusion" which doesn't really conclude anything, so much
as lead into the next act.

There's nothing wrong with that - it worked perfectly well on New X-Men,
for example - but labelling the stories in that way does give the
impression that you're actually heading for a resolution of some sort,
and makes it a little annoying when you end up with a plot advancement
instead.

What actually happens this issue, basically, is that the Weapon Plus
programme lure Wolverine, Fantomex and Agent Zero to the site of an old
Weapon X test, and deliver some exposition. Apparently the Weapon X
team have "gone underground", though that still doesn't really explain
what happened to all of their staff and the inmates of Neverland -
something I'd rather assumed this arc was getting round to in due
course. Weapon Plus thinks that one of the three is in the pocket of
Weapon X and so, having fulfilled arch-villain obligations by delivering
some exposition, the baddies send in the soldiers to kill everyone. Big
fight, the heroes escape.

Okay for what it is, but it doesn't really take us much further forward.
The main achievement of this arc has been to straighten out the
needlessly complicated interrelationship between Weapon X and Weapon
Plus, and to tie up a dangling plot thread from New X-Men (what did
Wolverine see in the Weapon Plus files?). But we don't seem to be that
much closer to resolving the cliffhanger from four months ago, and most
of the supposed major characters haven't been seen in ages.

Even though Weapon X isn't a series that goes in for decompression,
Frank Tieri often seems to have struggled to juggle the various subplots
for all his characters. People have a tendency to go AWOL for months at
a time in this book, giving individual arcs a stop-start feel. With the
title presently overrun by guest stars to the (literal) exclusion of
most of the regular cast, there's a definite danger of momentum being
lost elsewhere.

Rating: B-

LINKS:
http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/tommandrake

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The shadow of Neil Gaiman still looms large over Vertigo. Sandman
brought in a whole new audience of goths and Tori Amos fans, and while
the imprint continues to produce a range of other material as well,
Vertigo haven't been shy about continuing to mine the seam.

The latest effort is THE WITCHING, an ongoing series by Jonathan Vankin
and Leigh Gallagher, which features - you guessed it - three witches.
Yes, it's the triple-goddess archetype yet again. An idea that Vertigo
haven't just beaten to death, but continued to bludgeon for a good few
years after it stopped breathing. Be honest, if you were trying to come
up with a stereotypical Vertigo book, it would features three witches,
at least one goth, and a guest appearance by a character from the
Sandman mythos. And lo, The Witching offers all these things.

So does the book have anything new to add to this (let's face it)
well-worn theme? Well, up to a point. Vankin tries to present magic as
something which isn't all that mystical, and fits practically into the
everyday world. The robes and ceremony are more about inspiring belief
from others than anything else. This isn't exactly a novel idea either,
but it does at least mark some difference of approach for the assorted
Sandman spin-offs, which have generally tended to approach the subject
from a more fantasy-oriented approach.

It's not, however, an enormous difference from what's been done before
in this theme. It'll doubtless appeal to Vertigo's core fantasy
audience, but if you're not into this kind of thing already, this isn't
going to be the book to persuade you. There's a lot of exposition
without much in the way of narrative thrust, and as I say, it's got a
definite whiff of Vertigo-by-numbers.

Rating: B-

LINKS:
http://www.vertigocomics.com
http://www.jonathanvankin.com

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Also this week:

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #509 - Marvel have hyped this issue on the basis of
two things - it's the start of a new storyline, "Sins Past", and it's
the first issue with art by Mike Deodato Jr. Deodato seems to be back in
favour after a few years when a lot of dodgy work was appearing under
his name. His recent work on Hulk and, for that matter, Witches has
been attractive, though, and he makes a good match for this title, with
likeable versions of Peter and Mary Jane. This, of course, is the Gwen
Stacy storyline, an idea that doesn't immediately appeal to me. I doubt
they'd do anything so crassly foolish as to bring her back from the
dead, but tinkering in long-gone history doesn't do much for me either.
B
http://www.planetaesbornia.com.br/mikedeodato

CAPTAIN AMERICA #28 - The final issue under the Marvel Knights banner
before the book is sent back to the mainstream Marvel editors. Which,
by the way, leaves me wondering what happens to Captain America & The
Falcon, which also shipped this week - do we really need two Captain
America books? (Since I'm on the subject, Captain America & The Falcon
#4 features staggeringly ugly art, even by Bart Sears' standards. I
really don't understand why Sears or his editors think this stuff is
appealing.) Anyway, the Marvel Knights approach hasn't worked for Cap,
although Robert Morales' brief run has clicked a little better than some
of the material that came before. I honestly don't think the character
has the weight to stand up to this kind of approach, and he's better off
with a more old-school direction. Morales signs off with a two-part
time travel storyline that hovers on the edge of incomprehensibility and
features a lot of nudge-and-wink stuff about comics being really popular
in another timeline. Nice art from Eddie Campbell, though. C+

QUEEN & COUNTRY #25 - Hey, a single-issue story. Queen & Country
doesn't do many of those. Tara goes off to Switzerland to catch up with
her estranged mother, who's about to get married to somebody half her
age. Meanwhile, there's some reshuffling going on back at the office.
A good character piece, with strong art by Steve Rolston. Besides, it
makes a nice change to get the character away from work for once. A-
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Last week's Article 10 is still up at Ninth Art. http://www.ninthart.com

Next week, it's relatively quiet for a change. Ultimate X-Men #48
continues the serial killer arc. Wolverine / Punisher #4 wraps up the
Peter Milligan miniseries, and X-Statix #24 continues the Avengers arc.


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Paul O'Brien wrote:

 > If, on the other hand, Xavier wasn't expecting to find Magneto there,
 > why didn't he show any signs of surprise?

Is anybody surprised to see Magneto after he's been declared dead anymore?

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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:03:50 GMT,"W. Blaine Dowler"
<fiziko DeleteThis @NOSPAMbureau42.com> wrote

 >Paul O'Brien wrote:
 >
  >> If, on the other hand, Xavier wasn't expecting to find Magneto there,
  >> why didn't he show any signs of surprise?
 >
 >Is anybody surprised to see Magneto after he's been declared dead anymore?

The only surprise was that Jean wasn't with him

Anyone else wondering what his reaction when he finds out about Lorna
will be?

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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:27:24 +0100, Paul O'Brien
<paul.RemoveThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:

 >Excalibur comes across, at the very least, as an exercise in arrogant
 >and petulant disdain for the work of other writers. Claremont's hardcore
 >fanbase will doubtless be delighted with the book, but the broader
 >commercial wisdom of this approach is extremely doubtful.

To be fair to Claremont, he's rarely done this before. Normally, he's
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To be fair to Claremont, he's rarely done this before. Normally, he's
 > very good at syncretising the work of others into his own stories.

I agree. I like how he used Cecilia Reyes in the "Revolution" relaunch.


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 > <paul.DeleteThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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  > >Excalibur comes across, at the very least, as an exercise in arrogant
  > >and petulant disdain for the work of other writers. Claremont's hardcore
  > >fanbase will doubtless be delighted with the book, but the broader
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W. Blaine Dowler wrote:

: > If, on the other hand, Xavier wasn't expecting to find Magneto there,
: > why didn't he show any signs of surprise?
:
: Is anybody surprised to see Magneto after he's been declared dead anymore?

I doubt it.

I'm surprised that it happens in such an appalling way, though. We're right
back in Spider-Man Clone Saga territory here, in terms of outright silliness and
meaninglessness.

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CleV wrote:

: To be fair to Claremont, he's rarely done this before. Normally, he's
: very good at syncretising the work of others into his own stories.

I wouldn't say that. When he initially returned to the franchise, he pretty
much ignored anything that had happened to the characters while he'd been gone.

On the other hand, in fairness, he *did* a pretty good job contrasting his
team's philosophy with that of Morrison's X-Men over the last couple of years.
(Incidentally, those have also been some of the strongest issues of X-TREME
X-MEN.)

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Paul O'Brien <paul RemoveThis @SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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 > THE X-AXIS
 > 27 June 2004
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 >
 > EXCALIBUR #2 - "Forging the Sword, part 2 of 4"
 > by Chris Claremont, Aaron Lopresti and Greg Adams
 >
 > ------------
 >
 > I expected to be really, really irritated by EXCALIBUR #2. But I
 > wasn't. I wasn't irritated at all.
 >
 > I was too busy laughing for that.

Don't worry Paul, I'm not fighting your opinions on this one. But
I do have my own things to say and address about the points you raise.

And hey, I remembered to remove dc.vertigo from the groups, since I'm
not mentioning the Vertigo title. Smile

 > As I've said before, there's nothing inherently wrong with bringing back
 > Magneto. He was only really killed in order to add a sense of finality
 > to "Planet X", and those sorts of deaths are fair game for reversal.
 > However, Claremont simply bulldozes the entire storyline aside by
 > blithely dismissing Morrison's Magneto as "an impostor." Which, by the
 > way, completely screws up Morrison's storyline, because thematically it
 > has to be the real Magneto.

As has been raised in another thread, was it actually Claremont's
decision to bring back Magneto, or was it a higher power at Marvel?
I could see it going either way, as Austen has said that he was told
to bring back Xorn.

Also, even if it was Claremont's decision, was he instructed (or even
just "advised") on how to bring back Magneto? Particularly since Magneto
is being brought back as a good guy, and as Dark Phoenix shows, Marvel
isn't too keen on apocalyptic mass murderers immediately returning as
good guys.

And if it was Claremont's choice of method, there is still my own
comments in another thread as to the possiblity of why. Basically, did
Claremont misread or misunderstand Morrison's Magneto (like so many
apparently did)? If he saw Morrison as ignoring the past characterizations
of Magneto, he could have seen the "imposter" fix as a "deserving"
response to the bastardization of a complex character.

Of course, Morrison ultimately didn't bastardize Magneto or ignore his
"shades of grey" character design. His Magneto sought to boost his power
through Kick, which does mesh with prior actions of Magneto, who has been
willing to take questionable paths to boosting his power. (And is even
reflects in Excalibur #2 with the revisiting of his power induced
headaches.) And once he taks Kick for the first time, he is on a downward
spiral. At best, he is being influenced by a rather mind-affecting drug
that promotes just the things that make egomaniacal apocalyptic Magneto.
At worst, he is being influenced even more directly by Sublime itself, not
just for general mood but perhaps for actual plans. (Which would explain
how Magneto was seemingly waiting for the sentinel attack. And if his
whole plan was Kick/Sublime induced, it would also explain why he didn't
just fake his death when he "died" before Morrison came onboard. And that
incident is also reason for him to start taking Kick as well, as he tries
to return to power after being gutted by Logan.)

Sadly, much better stories could have come from bringing back Magneto
without the imposter story. Claim he could survive being beheaded at
least temporarily because of traces of Kick left in his system. Bring
along some super healer to heal him. Even claim Logan only knocked off
his helmet. Then have a Magneto who has to face what his drug-induced
mania caused, and who doesn't take solace in the fact that he was being
influenced by another. Rather than having a Magneto who is bothered
because someone else pretended to be him and committed those acts in
his name.

 > For example: Xavier was apparently not surprised to see Magneto alive in
 > Genosha. It seems they were expecting to meet up. That means there was
 > communication. If there was communication, why doesn't Magneto know
 > about the death of Jean Grey and "his" attack on New York? If he can
 > contact the outside world, wouldn't he have noticed this sort of thing?
 > If he can't contact the outside world, how did Xavier contact him? And
 > even then, why didn't Xavier tell him?

That is actually "explained" in Excalibur #2, if you can call it an
explanation. Charles tells Erik that "Your imposter told me his
secondary mutation was to always come back from the dead." So the
imposter told Charles that he was an imposter, thus Charles knows that
Logan didn't actually kill Erik.

Feasibly, the imposter also told Charles Magneto was alive. Or
Charles, knowing that Magneto didn't die in New York, was perhaps more
accepting when he saw Magneto in Genosha. Or perhaps there was
communication, but Xavier didn't want to tell Erik everything from
long distance, but would rather tell him face to face. (Since Erik
wasn't himself responsible, there would be no reason to telepathically
scream "You killed Jean! You bastard!" from the other side of the world.)

 > If, on the other hand, Xavier wasn't expecting to find Magneto there,
 > why didn't he show any signs of surprise? On either view, why does
 > Xavier assume that this Magneto is the real one and the one from New
 > X-Men was the fake? And why should anyone else?

He knows, because the imposter told him he was an imposter. Presumably
when he had Xavier captive and before his death. Though considering he
is a mutant with the ability to come back from the dead, maybe he told
Charles *after* Logan killed him.

 > Come to think of it, given that Magneto was in a wheelchair the last
 > time we saw him, how did he get restored to health when he's apparently
 > spent the whole time trapped in a radioactive wasteland with no
 > hospitals? (At least Morrison's plot has the justification that he
 > leaves Genosha at some point - Claremont's version has apparently been
 > trapped here, or at least has chosen not to leave, throughout.) In
 > fact, given that Genosha was reduced to an uninhabitable radioactive
 > wasteland, how did any of these people survive at all?

Well, so far we don't actually know when the imposter came along.
The most sensible point would be the charade as Xorn. (So... We now
have an imposter of Magneto acting as an imposter of Xorn? Heck, with
Excalibur, we could have had Xorn/Magneto having really have been Xorn.
Wouldn't that have really have been a kick to Morrison's story as well?
A deluded sun for a head Chinese kid masquerading as Magneto masquerading
as himself. :p )

Maybe Magneto found a healer. Even though there didn't seem to be
adequate healers on a functional Genosha... But that is a whole other
issue about the problems of "magic" healers yet sometimes people remain
hurt...

And yeah, too many people are turning out to have survived Genosha.
But that is more than just Claremont's fault. At first, the very limited
survivors made sense. Magneto shields himself from Cerebra and other
telepaths with his helmet. Emma turned to diamond form to survive, and
though it was never made truely clear and definite, that could have both
shut down her own powers as well as protected her from others such as
detection.

 > All of these points at least need to be addressed in order to give the
 > story the slightest believability - but Claremont apparently feels
 > otherwise. In fact, his revisions of Magneto's history go further back,
 > as apparently we're also meant to forget the fact that just before
 > Morrison came along, Magneto was raising an army and planning to conquer
 > the world. Come to think of it, he didn't blackmail the UN into handing
 > over Genosha, either. It was Alda Huxley's idea to give it to him. He
 > accepted the deal because he'd just burnt out his powers in the middle
 > of another old-school world conquest attempt, and it was the best deal
 > on the table.

Since we've yet to be told when the imposter came along, perhaps it was
the imposter that was raising an army. The "return from death" ability
would also let him survive his pre-Morrison "death" and eventually getting
back to full health. Of course then the question is raised of where the
heck was Magneto then. But since we've already got the question of why
the real Magneto wasn't around afterwards, it doesn't really make things
that much worse than they already are.

 > Excalibur comes across, at the very least, as an exercise in arrogant
 > and petulant disdain for the work of other writers. Claremont's hardcore
 > fanbase will doubtless be delighted with the book, but the broader
 > commercial wisdom of this approach is extremely doubtful. After all,
 > Morrison was outselling Claremont by more than two to one.

I doubt any but the most hardcore fanbase will be "delighted" with this
book. But I am not a hardcore Claremont fan, so perhaps I'm wrong. (I
sometimes seemed like one, but that was mainly when I was disagreeing
with Paul over something. :p)

 > Throw in a general lack of drama, no interesting villains and some
 > entirely annoying supporting characters, and the result is an absolute
 > mess. The art doesn't do much to save it - Lopresti's linework is
 > competent enough but hardly striking, and the whole book is marred with
 > some very dodgy colouring. Liquid! seem to have developed a love for
 > texture patterns, and as a result the book is full of two-dimensional
 > textures dumped awkwardly onto objects that are being viewed at an angle
 > (and seemingly retaining the same resolution no matter how far from the
 > camera they are). Look, for example, at the walls on page 3, panel 2.
 > Or the floors on page 5. It really doesn't look good.

Yes, you spent so much time on the whole Magneto issue that you didn't
really have room to express all of the other areas that this issue fails
in.

Callisto shows up and is ready to kill Magneto. Wicked attacks Callisto
and Callisto hurts Wicked. Freakshow vomits Unus. Everyone laughs. And
Callisto and Magneto are best buds. Somehow that exchange removes all of
Callisto's worries? Which weren't just over Magneto, but over the effect
of the world seeing Xavier and Magneto together as pals after New York
(regardless of who the NY villian really was).

You didn't even mention the whole subplot of the spies in Unus' camp.
Or the "Omega Sentinel" that is coming to Genosha, though I'd bet that
whole bit gave you a laugh or two.

 > Two issues in, then, and Excalibur is looking like an absolute
 > trainwreck. Worse than I'd ever anticipated.

Maybe this is really a PR stunt... Marvel's way of saying "Casey and
Austen aren't this bad, don't you wish they were on this book instead?
Or Mackie. Or Tieri. Or Jemas. Wouldn't you like a cheesecake cover
and amateur writing now?"

 > Rating: D+

I know your scale bottoms out on a D, and why it does. But does it
actually bottom at "D+", or have you ever gone lower? Though this issue
honestly isn't the worst in the universe, I'd perhaps go as far as to
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Billy Bissette <baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote in
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 > Well, so far we don't actually know when the imposter came along.
 > The most sensible point would be the charade as Xorn. (So... We now
 > have an imposter of Magneto acting as an imposter of Xorn? Heck, with
 > Excalibur, we could have had Xorn/Magneto having really have been Xorn.
 > Wouldn't that have really have been a kick to Morrison's story as well?
 > A deluded sun for a head Chinese kid masquerading as Magneto masquerading
 > as himself. :p )

In a reply to my own post, I've thought about it and realized it
probably would have been less destructive if Xorn had been Xorn all
along, rather than Xorn being real but faked and Magneto being faked
but real.

And more logical as well. An insanely powerful kid used as a power
source in China who gets rescued by the X-Men. He gets a chance to see
the rest of the world, and in particular identifies with Magneto.
Self-delusion (powered by his traumatic youth) causes him to over-identify
with Magneto and eventually believe himself to be Magneto. His powers
even let him fake Magneto's appearance when he reveals his "true" identity.
You even only partially lose the importance of the bits where Xorn's
powered only extended to the abilities of Magneto, as Xorn's delusions
would cause him to restrict and manipulate his own powers in a manner
identical to Magneto.

Ultimately, I think that would actually be better than what we've gotten
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"Paul O'Brien" <paul.RemoveThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote

 > I expected to be really, really irritated by EXCALIBUR #2. But I
 > wasn't. I wasn't irritated at all.
....
 > Rating: D+

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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:35:17 +0200, "Marc-Oliver Frisch"
<Derschwarm RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

 >CleV wrote:

 >: To be fair to Claremont, he's rarely done this before. Normally, he's
 >: very good at syncretising the work of others into his own stories.

 >I wouldn't say that. When he initially returned to the franchise, he pretty
 >much ignored anything that had happened to the characters while he'd been gone.

Can you give some examples? I thought the Revolution titles tried
actually to take what was currently there and move things along.
IIRC, our problem was that the new directions were not universally
liked or appreciated.

 >On the other hand, in fairness, he *did* a pretty good job contrasting his
 >team's philosophy with that of Morrison's X-Men over the last couple of years.
 >(Incidentally, those have also been some of the strongest issues of X-TREME
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"teepee" <no-email DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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 > "Paul O'Brien" <paul DeleteThis @SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote
 >
  >> I expected to be really, really irritated by EXCALIBUR #2. But I
  >> wasn't. I wasn't irritated at all.
 > ...
  >> Rating: D+
 >
 > I say this is overly generous. What redeeming feature did it have?

It made Paul laugh. A lot, apparently. And being laughably bad (as
opposed to just bad) is itself a redeeming feature, as it at least
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"CleV" <clJUNKv1 RemoveThis @balcab.ch> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:35:17 +0200, "Marc-Oliver Frisch"
 > <Derschwarm RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
  > >CleV wrote:
 >
  > >: To be fair to Claremont, he's rarely done this before. Normally, he's
  > >: very good at syncretising the work of others into his own stories.
 >
  > >I wouldn't say that. When he initially returned to the franchise, he
pretty
  > >much ignored anything that had happened to the characters while he'd been
gone.
 >
 > Can you give some examples? I thought the Revolution titles tried
 > actually to take what was currently there and move things along.
 > IIRC, our problem was that the new directions were not universally
 > liked or appreciated.

The retconning of Kitty's age is the one that annoyed me the most, if any
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 >
 >Is anybody surprised to see Magneto after he's been declared dead anymore?
 >

Of coase not. Magneto always returns. He's the villian. That's what he does.
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 > And more logical as well. An insanely powerful kid used as a power
 >source in China who gets rescued by the X-Men. He gets a chance to see
 >the rest of the world, and in particular identifies with Magneto.

<snip>

Yes, that's the best of several bad possibilities. But... AUSTEN. Was
this reversal editorially mandated (a consistent explanation in both titles?)
or were Claremont and Austen left to come up with seperate explanations?

I picture Xorn showing up-- and it's the REAL Xorn, the one we never met.
the one Magneto replaced.
...except Magneto is an imposter to.

Leaving our immortal imposter who pretended to be Magneto pretendign to be
Xorn unaccounted for, and still alive.

Maybe they'll be creative and he doesnt have EM powers, he's just a power
mimic, and he impersonated Mystique too...

...shit. Didn't Austen's first arc make a big deal about Casandra Nova
being unaccounted for?

*bangs head on wall*

-Derik
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