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THE X-AXIS
8 April 2007
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This week:

FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA - WOLVERINE
"Denial"
by Jeph Loeb and Leinil Francis Yu

AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #1 - "Happy Accidents"
by Dan Slott and Stefano Caselli

OMEGA FLIGHT #1 (of 5) - Alpha to Omega, part 1 of 5
by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins

------------

In Marvel's weekly Q&A over at Newsarama, somebody asked why it was that
the scheduling of the X-books, and the similar families, is so
haphazard. The official answer, given by David Gabriel, was to the
effect that Marvel put hours of effort into planning the schedule for
each month.

"Great consideration is put into shifting Spider-Man titles so they are
not all in one week," he explained, "and the same goes for X-titles,
Ultimate books, Marvel Adventure titles and now Ultimate books. Keep in
mind that this is all done 3-4 months prior to the on sale week. Then
life takes over, books shift around for one reason or another, even by a
week or two within a month, and by the time the on sale date is up, the
books have often shifted in the schedule beyond anyone's control."

Uh-huh. Marvel solicited thirteen X-books for May, with six in one
week, and none in another. You're telling me that's because of
last-minute rescheduling? Before the solicitations came out? To that
extent? I have some trouble with that explanation.

To be fair, June is a lot more balanced, so perhaps somebody's finally
taking this in hand. But the scheduling has been an utter mess for
months now, and you can't blame it entirely on delays.

This, for example, is another very quiet week. The only X-books are New
Excalibur #18, and FALLEN SON: THE DEATH OF CAPTAIN AMERICA - WOLVERINE,
the first part of Jeph Loeb's five-part miniseries in which various
characters react to the death of Captain America.

Jeph Loeb was one of DC's big name writers. Understandably, his jump to
Marvel was greeted with some fanfare. I wasn't reading any of his DC
work, but I do recall it getting a decent reaction. His Marvel output,
thus far, has been distinctly underwhelming. Wolverine has not
impressed. Onslaught Reborn is outrageously horrible.

Fallen Son isn't great either, but to be fair to Loeb, the basic premise
of this series is credited to J Michael Straczynski. And the premise is
a far bigger problem than anything to do with the execution. The high
concept is that each issue represents one of the so-called five stages
of grief - so issue #1 is denial, issue #2 is anger, issue #3 is
bargaining, issue #4 is depression and issue #5 is acceptance. I've
certainly heard worse ideas.

But the decision to base each story on a different character strikes me
as a mistake. For this structure to work, surely it needs to follow the
psychological process. In other words, there needs to be some sense of
progression. If you're going to have a different character representing
each stage then you're not showing anyone's progression - you're just
doing a gimmick based on some overfamiliar pop psychology.

In fact, it doesn't feel like a story at all. The distinct impression
given is that Marvel came up with this structure, thought it was
incredibly clever, and only worried later on about the actual content.
To pull off something like this requires a writer with a sure touch for
complex emotion. I can just about imagine it working with Straczynski.
But Loeb is principally a writer of big, sweeping epics. This sort of
story isn't his strength.

The most fundamental problem, of course, is that nobody really believes
that Captain America is dead. Marvel can insist that he's dead until
they're blue in the face, but nobody will believe them. In 2012, if the
Winter Soldier is firmly established as the new Captain America, and the
Captain America movie has come and gone and Steve is still dead, then
maybe people will start to say "Hey, he really isn't coming back." I'm
actually more open-minded about this than most. I think there's, ooh,
about a 5 to 10% chance of that happening. I'd actually like to see
that story. But I certainly wouldn't put money on it.

In Captain America itself, this isn't a problem. Even though we don't
believe Cap is dead, his supporting cast do, and that's good enough for
the story's purposes. But when you start wheeling out characters like
Wolverine, who have very little connection with Captain America, you're
really just making a declaration that the death of Captain America is an
event - an event so big that it deserves a five-issue tie-in miniseries
to remind us of how big it is.

The more you present it as an event, the more it looks like a stunt, and
the less it looks a story. I don't believe Cap's dead and bluntly, I
couldn't care less what Wolverine thinks about the subject. And after
reading the story, I still can't work out why I'm supposed to care what
Wolverine thinks about it.

If this story serves any purpose, it's to stick Wolverine in front of
the corpse so that he can verify it as dead. But he did that back in
the mid-1990s when they killed of Nick Fury, in a similar spirit of "No,
honestly, he's really dead - look, Wolverine's checked the body."
Having been fooled by a SHIELD substitute once before, you'd think
Wolverine would be less easily persuaded this time round. I don't blame
Loeb for not mentioning that - even if he knows about it, there's no
possible upside in undermining the story by drawing it to people's
attention. But really, you could publish an entire issue consisting
entirely of trustworthy characters examining the body in detail and
proclaiming it definitively dead, and still nobody would believe it.
That's just comics for you.

A story that asks us to believe, as a starting point, that Captain
America is really dead and that it's a huge event deserving of
commemoration, is a story that faces a huge uphill struggle. That's
essentially what Loeb confronts here, and while I can't really fault
anything in particular about his approach to it, I'm not at all
persuaded that it's an achievable task. It's not a bad comic, just an
unconvincing one - and it does have some beautiful artwork for Leinil
Francis Yu to liven up the proceedings. That's the main thing that
raises the book out of the doldrums. Sketchy as his art is, his layouts
have a lot of power and grace to them.

Ultimately, though, it's a story about a character chosen for his star
power rather than his relevance, reacting to an event that I simply
don't believe in. It doesn't work for me.

Rating: B-

LINKS:
http://www.marvel.com
http://leinilyu.deviantart.com

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AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE started life as a miniseries, but on the
strength of initial orders, it's been upgraded to an ongoing title right
from the word go. The result is a curious first issue, which clearly
displays its roots as the start of a miniseries.

Now that the Superhuman Registration Act is in force, the registered
heroes have to get on with the job of recruiting and training the new
wannabe heroes who have signed up. That takes place at Camp Hammond,
the Initiative's HQ, insensitively located at Stamford. In theory, the
new heroes get trained up and then assigned to the fifty state teams,
thus ensuring that Vermont is forever safe from nastiness.

This is billed as an Avengers title, but for the life of me, I can't
fathom out why. It's actually a comic about a superhero boot camp, told
from the perspective of the students. A couple of the tutors are
Avengers, but they're not the lead characters, and the logo seems to
have been shoved on the cover simply to boost sales. Unless we're now
claiming that "the Avengers" encompasses all the registered state teams,
in which case the term is about to become even more diluted than
"X-Men." The cover design - which simply has the Avengers logo with the
line-wide "Initiative" banner, thus making it look like a tie-in
Avengers issue - also seems needlessly confusing. Does this poor book
not deserve its own logo?

Dan Slott is best known for writing semi-comedy books like She-Hulk, and
he's very good at it. This time he's aiming for something more
straightforward. For him, this book would count as almost grim and
gritty, but it's still reasonably light by today's standards generally.
The new students arrive at the Initiative, start to settle in, and we
get a series of introductions along with the first sign of the
government covering up any problems with the place.

There are bits that don't quite work. The plot seems to suggest that
this is a draft, and that every new superhuman is being dragged along
for training whether they like it or not. Strangely, nobody seems to
express any resentment at this. I suspect that I'm simply not
understanding the way this is supposed to work, since all the characters
behave like volunteers, and there are some scenes where people are being
persuaded to join. Whatever the position, it's yet another example of
Marvel's utter failure to explain in a remotely clear or coherent way
what the Superhuman Registration Act actually is. Even if they think
they've done it before, this is the first issue of a new series, and it
should be spelt out again. Otherwise, you haven't explained your
premise, which means you've botched a central plank of the story.

And given that this isn't a comedy book, the scientist with the German
accent has got to go. ("Und I haff discovered something vhich is most
disturbing...")

Other than that, though... not bad. Some likeable characters, a
workable premise, nice clean art. I'm not quite sure what you do with
it as a long term book, especially given that in theory it has to
co-exist with Young Avengers - who surely ought to be playing a major
role in this book.

But it's still a promising start, and Slott's storytelling skill holds
up outside his usual comedy area. I can see this working, as a series
about a group of trainee superheroes.

Rating: B+

LINKS:
http://www.stekart.blogspot.com (Stefano Caselli)

------------

While Avengers: The Initiative is upgraded to an ongoing series, OMEGA
FLIGHT has the misfortune to go the other way. But after reading the
first issue, I can see Marvel's point.

The basic idea is that the Civil War in the USA over the Superhuman
Registration Act has led to criminals taking refuge in Canada, and a new
crime wave emerging. This doesn't really make sense to start with. The
villains weren't directly involved in the Civil War. But in any event,
they're in Canada now and causing trouble, which prompts the Canadian
government to reform Alpha Flight. Except this time, they're called
Omega Flight, and half the team is made up of Americans.

At a push, this is a concept for a single story - the team is brought
together to deal with the temporary problems caused by Civil War. But
it certainly isn't a premise for an ongoing title. The entire book can't
be about people running away from the war that finished a few months
ago.

The big problem with Alpha Flight has always been the fact that it's a
weak premise. Some of the characters are rather interesting, but most
of them are dead. Remove those characters, and you're left with the
concept of the Alpha Flight team itself - which is no more than "They're
Canadian." In the past, writers have tried to make something out of the
fact that they were a government sponsored team, but Civil War has
actually removed that as a viable distinguishing feature.

In theory, I suppose you could have done a book about expatriate
American superheroes fleeing to Canada in order to set up the sort of
team that the Superhuman Registration Act no longer allows. That might
actually have given the book a clear reason to exist, since it would
have been able to tell a type of superhero story that the rest of the
Marvel Universe titles can no longer do. But they haven't done that.

Instead, it's a government-sponsored superhero team, comprised of some
loyal Canadian superheroes, and some registered heroes on loan from the
USA. There's an attempt to stress the links with the old Alpha Flight
by building the first issue around Sasquatch and, to a lesser extent,
Talisman. But really, it's just another superhero team. And it's not
even a Canadian superhero team. It's a half-American superhero team,
based in Canada. That's not a premise. That's a location.

I don't get it. I really don't get what the big idea of this book is
supposed to be. Surely it's just a random assembly of superheroes who
happen to be in Canada but are just doing the same sort of stories as
registered heroes in the USA? I don't see anything in it. What's the
point? If this is the concept then they made the right call in cutting
it down to a miniseries. If there's more to it, well, it's a shame they
didn't manage to communicate it in the first issue.

Without a strong concept behind it, there's not much more to be said.
It's a generic superhero comic, done quite skilfully, and making the
most of what it has to work with. Michael Avon Oeming has written some
good stories in the past, and he does the best that could be expected of
him with such a shaky premise. There are plenty of nice details, and
artist Scott Kolins has always been a sound storyteller. In fact, it
really feels as though the creators care about this book, which is the
one thing that genuinely marks it out from the pack. And it makes me
feel a little bit bad about the fact that I can't honestly say I share
their enthusiasm.

As with Fallen Son, there's nothing really wrong with the execution. In
fact, it's better than many books in that regard. It just doesn't seem
like an especially great concept to start with.

Rating: B

LINKS:
http://www.mike-oeming.com

------------

Also this week...

BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, SEASON 8 #2 - Ooh. Now, you see, I liked
issue #1. I thought issue #1 was pretty good for a comic book
adaptation. It met my expectations. But this is better. It's got a
better pacing. It's got a better grasp of the medium. It's got better
jokes. It's got better character moments. It's just plain better.
We've always known that Joss Whedon is a hugely talented writer, but
it's now clear that he's learning and improving when it comes to this
particular medium, and for the first time this really feels like it's in
the same league as his TV work. A very pleasant surprise, and a book
that's now absolutely living up to the hype. A+

NEW EXCALIBUR #18 - This is the origin story of Albion, a Captain
Britain analogue who showed up before Chris Claremont's break. I wasn't
much impressed by the character first time round, but this is a real
improvement. The concept is pretty simple. Across the multiverse,
Captain Britains are supposed to get their powers after choosing between
the amulet of right and the sword of might (this being the dodgy origin
story created for the Captain back in the 1970s). Everyone else chose
the amulet. Albion chose the sword, and got away with his new powers
before Roma could stop him. So far, so average. But what I like about
this story is that Albion isn't simply an evil Captain Britain. He's
just a well-intentioned hawk, and as far as he's concerned, by filling
the multiverse with super-powered doves instead of good honest
ass-kickers like him, Roma has got it all terribly wrong. So the whole
system needs to come down and be replaced with something more
aggressive. I like that angle; it's a good concept for a Captain
Britain villain, and Albion has a perfectly defensible point of view.
Good stuff. B+

RUNAWAYS #25 - Joss Whedon takes over Runaways, and after the huge sales
for Buffy, Marvel must surely be kicking themselves about the fact that
they only put his name in tiny letters on the cover. The kids come to
New York where they meet the Kingpin, even though that makes no sense in
continuity at all. (Supposedly it's being explained next issue. It
should have been explained in this one.) Between this and Buffy, it's
particularly clear that Whedon has learned from the dreadful error of
his glacial pacing on Astonishing X-Men, and he won't be making that
mistake again. The story bounces along nicely, and while there's no
jarring shift in character or tone from Brian Vaughan's run, Whedon
brings his familiar sparky dialogue to the book. It's not revelatory or
anything, but it's an absolutely fine issue, and any Whedon fans
attracted to the book should be perfectly happy with it. A-

------------

There's more from me at If Destroyed, and if you're desperate for more
Article 10 columns, you can always hunt through the archives on Ninth
Art.
http://ifdestroyed.blogspot.com
http://www.ninthart.com

I'm on holiday next week, so the X-Axis will be back in a fortnight.

Next week, "The Fall and Rise of the Shi'ar Empire" reaches its
penutimate chapter in Uncanny X-Men #485. New X-Men #37 begins a new
storyline about Magik. You know, Magik. Blonde girl, had a magic
sword, been dead about twenty years now. Come to think of it, you
probably don't remember her, do you? And Wolverine: Origins #13
continues the comeback of Cyber.

The week after, X-Men #198 continues "Condition Critical", while
Ultimate X-Men #81 brings back the Beast. Agent X guest stars again in
Cable & Deadpool #39. The X-Cell storyline continues in X-Factor #18.
And, running late, there's also X-23: Target X #5.


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Paul O'Brien

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> The basic idea is that the Civil War in the USA over the Superhuman
> Registration Act has led to criminals taking refuge in Canada, and a new
> crime wave emerging. This doesn't really make sense to start with. The
> villains weren't directly involved in the Civil War. But in any event,
> they're in Canada now and causing trouble, which prompts the Canadian
> government to reform Alpha Flight. Except this time, they're called
> Omega Flight, and half the team is made up of Americans.

Sure it does. They figure if they do anything in the US the heroes
will hit them quicker and harder just to show which side is better and
so they can move back to fighting each other.
>
> ------------
>
> There's more from me at If Destroyed, and if you're desperate for more
> Article 10 columns, you can always hunt through the archives on Ninth
> Art.http://ifdestroyed.blogspot.comhttp://www.ninthart.com
>
> I'm on holiday next week, so the X-Axis will be back in a fortnight.
>
> Next week, "The Fall and Rise of the Shi'ar Empire" reaches its
> penutimate chapter in Uncanny X-Men #485. New X-Men #37 begins a new
> storyline about Magik. You know, Magik. Blonde girl, had a magic
> sword, been dead about twenty years now. Come to think of it, you
> probably don't remember her, do you?

Sure they do. Every time Kitty or Peter have an existencial crisis
her name is brought up, she features in most alternate realities that
the X-men are mentioned in. Her name is constantly brought up so
people can remember her death was sad.

JLB

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On Apr 8, 9:53 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul O'Brien <p....RemoveThis@esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote innews:ASInzQBkOXGGFwjM@esoterica.demon.co.uk:
>
> > Jeph Loeb was one of DC's big name writers. Understandably, his jump
> > to Marvel was greeted with some fanfare. I wasn't reading any of his
> > DC work, but I do recall it getting a decent reaction. His Marvel
> > output, thus far, has been distinctly underwhelming. Wolverine has not
> > impressed. Onslaught Reborn is outrageously horrible.
>
> I haven't read either, but I do remember Jeph Loeb and Adam Pollina
> having a nice run on X-Force. They did some interesting things with the
> team, and certainly improved on a lot of their personalities. I can't
> speak for why he's been doing so badly since his return, but I have
> liked him in the past.
>
> > Fallen Son isn't great either, but to be fair to Loeb, the basic
> > premise of this series is credited to J Michael Straczynski. And the
> > premise is a far bigger problem than anything to do with the
> > execution. The high concept is that each issue represents one of the
> > so-called five stages of grief - so issue #1 is denial, issue #2 is
> > anger, issue #3 is bargaining, issue #4 is depression and issue #5 is
> > acceptance. I've certainly heard worse ideas.
>
> So, um, Wolverine is in denial? When did they become best buds?

Isn't there a lot of stuff that shows Wolverine and him working
together in World War 2?
> ------------
>
> > While Avengers: The Initiative is upgraded to an ongoing series, OMEGA
> > FLIGHT has the misfortune to go the other way. But after reading the
> > first issue, I can see Marvel's point.
>
> Same here, but I think they ought to both be minis. Neither one of them
> was outstanding. Initiative would be good if someone killed Gyrich in
> the midst of it all, but that's unlikely to happen.
>
> > At a push, this is a concept for a single story - the team is brought
> > together to deal with the temporary problems caused by Civil War. But
> > it certainly isn't a premise for an ongoing title. The entire book
> > can't be about people running away from the war that finished a few
> > months ago.
>
> It could serve as a launching point for an ongoing all-Canadian team,
> but that probably won't happen.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Also this week...
> > NEW EXCALIBUR #18 - This is the origin story of Albion, a Captain
> > Britain analogue who showed up before Chris Claremont's break. I
> > wasn't much impressed by the character first time round, but this is a
> > real improvement. The concept is pretty simple. Across the
> > multiverse, Captain Britains are supposed to get their powers after
> > choosing between the amulet of right and the sword of might (this
> > being the dodgy origin story created for the Captain back in the
> > 1970s). Everyone else chose the amulet. Albion chose the sword, and
> > got away with his new powers before Roma could stop him. So far, so
> > average. But what I like about this story is that Albion isn't simply
> > an evil Captain Britain. He's just a well-intentioned hawk, and as
> > far as he's concerned, by filling the multiverse with super-powered
> > doves instead of good honest ass-kickers like him, Roma has got it all
> > terribly wrong. So the whole system needs to come down and be
> > replaced with something more aggressive. I like that angle; it's a
> > good concept for a Captain Britain villain, and Albion has a perfectly
> > defensible point of view. Good stuff. B+
>
> Um...didn't Kelsey Leigh also choose the Sword of Might? Why bother
> with Albion when Lionheart is running around with the same concept?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Because Kelsey is clearly a supporting character and from what we've
seen of her I don't buy her forming a real rivalry with Captain
Britain.

JLB
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> OMEGA FLIGHT #1 (of 5) - Alpha to Omega, part 1 of 5
> by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins
> The big problem with Alpha Flight has always been the fact that it's a
> weak premise. Some of the characters are rather interesting, but most
> of them are dead. Remove those characters, and you're left with the
> concept of the Alpha Flight team itself - which is no more than "They're
> Canadian." In the past, writers have tried to make something out of the
> fact that they were a government sponsored team, but Civil War has
> actually removed that as a viable distinguishing feature.

I believe the only way for Alpha Flight to work is to have Wolverine on the
team. Of course he'd have to leave the Avengers or the X-Men because you can
stretch him only so far. Then again he's already way pas that point... I
guess he could also be a part-time member on any of those teams. He's often
just there in the background in a given story, not really being used... Why
have him appear at all if he's not going to do anything?

I'm not sure how Americans would feel about that, but I'd be interested in
the book having a real Canadian feel to it, with a play on the tensions
between french-speaking and english-speaking members, as well as the
tensions between Canadians and Americans, you know, with a Canadian outlook
on America and its foreing policies. ... uh, maybe too political?
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Paul O'Brien <paul RemoveThis @esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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> Jeph Loeb was one of DC's big name writers. Understandably, his jump
> to Marvel was greeted with some fanfare. I wasn't reading any of his
> DC work, but I do recall it getting a decent reaction. His Marvel
> output, thus far, has been distinctly underwhelming. Wolverine has not
> impressed. Onslaught Reborn is outrageously horrible.

I haven't read either, but I do remember Jeph Loeb and Adam Pollina
having a nice run on X-Force. They did some interesting things with the
team, and certainly improved on a lot of their personalities. I can't
speak for why he's been doing so badly since his return, but I have
liked him in the past.

> Fallen Son isn't great either, but to be fair to Loeb, the basic
> premise of this series is credited to J Michael Straczynski. And the
> premise is a far bigger problem than anything to do with the
> execution. The high concept is that each issue represents one of the
> so-called five stages of grief - so issue #1 is denial, issue #2 is
> anger, issue #3 is bargaining, issue #4 is depression and issue #5 is
> acceptance. I've certainly heard worse ideas.

So, um, Wolverine is in denial? When did they become best buds?
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> While Avengers: The Initiative is upgraded to an ongoing series, OMEGA
> FLIGHT has the misfortune to go the other way. But after reading the
> first issue, I can see Marvel's point.

Same here, but I think they ought to both be minis. Neither one of them
was outstanding. Initiative would be good if someone killed Gyrich in
the midst of it all, but that's unlikely to happen.

> At a push, this is a concept for a single story - the team is brought
> together to deal with the temporary problems caused by Civil War. But
> it certainly isn't a premise for an ongoing title. The entire book
> can't be about people running away from the war that finished a few
> months ago.

It could serve as a launching point for an ongoing all-Canadian team,
but that probably won't happen.
> Also this week...

> NEW EXCALIBUR #18 - This is the origin story of Albion, a Captain
> Britain analogue who showed up before Chris Claremont's break. I
> wasn't much impressed by the character first time round, but this is a
> real improvement. The concept is pretty simple. Across the
> multiverse, Captain Britains are supposed to get their powers after
> choosing between the amulet of right and the sword of might (this
> being the dodgy origin story created for the Captain back in the
> 1970s). Everyone else chose the amulet. Albion chose the sword, and
> got away with his new powers before Roma could stop him. So far, so
> average. But what I like about this story is that Albion isn't simply
> an evil Captain Britain. He's just a well-intentioned hawk, and as
> far as he's concerned, by filling the multiverse with super-powered
> doves instead of good honest ass-kickers like him, Roma has got it all
> terribly wrong. So the whole system needs to come down and be
> replaced with something more aggressive. I like that angle; it's a
> good concept for a Captain Britain villain, and Albion has a perfectly
> defensible point of view. Good stuff. B+

Um...didn't Kelsey Leigh also choose the Sword of Might? Why bother
with Albion when Lionheart is running around with the same concept?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:40 am
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On Apr 8, 9:53 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul O'Brien <p... DeleteThis @esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote innews:ASInzQBkOXGGFwjM@esoterica.demon.co.uk:
>
> > Jeph Loeb was one of DC's big name writers. Understandably, his jump
> > to Marvel was greeted with some fanfare. I wasn't reading any of his
> > DC work, but I do recall it getting a decent reaction. His Marvel
> > output, thus far, has been distinctly underwhelming. Wolverine has not
> > impressed. Onslaught Reborn is outrageously horrible.
>
> I haven't read either, but I do remember Jeph Loeb and Adam Pollina
> having a nice run on X-Force. They did some interesting things with the
> team, and certainly improved on a lot of their personalities. I can't
> speak for why he's been doing so badly since his return, but I have
> liked him in the past.
>

I think the more insteresting developments during Pollina's X-Force
run came after Loeb left and JF Moore took over the writing duties.
Loebs stuff didnt stand out to me as much. IN any case, Loeb has
always seemed more of a DC writer than a Marvel if you know what I
mean. Its difficult to exactly dilleniate btw the sorts of writers,
but all indications with Loeb are that he's better with the DC stable
of characters than Marvel.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:34 am
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On Apr 9, 3:40 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Um...didn't Kelsey Leigh also choose the Sword of Might? Why bother
> >> with Albion when Lionheart is running around with the same concept?-
> >> Hide quoted text -
>
> > Because Kelsey is clearly a supporting character and from what we've
> > seen of her I don't buy her forming a real rivalry with Captain
> > Britain.
>
> Nor do I, but the idea that those who choose the Sword of Might are
> somehow rogues is ridiculous because she exists.

Well, she does appear on an upcoming New Excalibur cover alongside
this Albion fellow, so at least she hasn't been forgotten about.
Perhap's she will be a sidekick of some description, or just ended up
falling "on the wrong side".

However, this is all beside the point, as Lionheart is such a messed
up and unneseccary character

I'm not currently reading the new Excalibur, what does this sentence
from Lionheart's wikipedia entry mean? "Though unknown how it
occurred, Lionheart was manipulated by Albion, a super villain who
also dislikes Captain Britain. Lionheart, though struggling to fight
her conscience, would have killed Courtney Ross, the woman who shares
his heart and must thus share his fate, if it was not for the arrival
of Juggernaut and Nocturne. "

Maybe I'd know if did read the book, but I veer between acceptance and
wild frustration of Claremont and his almost wilful inconsitencies and
failure to explain things. What's the bloody deal with "Courtney
Ross"?!!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:25 am
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Paul O'Brien wrote:
> RUNAWAYS #25 - Joss Whedon takes over Runaways, and after the huge sales
> for Buffy, Marvel must surely be kicking themselves about the fact that
> they only put his name in tiny letters on the cover. The kids come to
> New York where they meet the Kingpin, even though that makes no sense in
> continuity at all. (Supposedly it's being explained next issue. It
> should have been explained in this one.) Between this and Buffy, it's
> particularly clear that Whedon has learned from the dreadful error of
> his glacial pacing on Astonishing X-Men, and he won't be making that
> mistake again. The story bounces along nicely, and while there's no
> jarring shift in character or tone from Brian Vaughan's run, Whedon
> brings his familiar sparky dialogue to the book. It's not revelatory or

The dialogs was good. I liked the "ooh ooh pick me!" bit that Molly had.
Good use of the 'team', w/o making it seem obvious.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:20 pm
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On 9 Apr 2007 09:34:24 -0700, "James Wyllie" <james.wyllie RemoveThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 9, 3:40 pm, Dan McEwen <ferro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Um...didn't Kelsey Leigh also choose the Sword of Might? Why bother
>> >> with Albion when Lionheart is running around with the same concept?-
>> >> Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > Because Kelsey is clearly a supporting character and from what we've
>> > seen of her I don't buy her forming a real rivalry with Captain
>> > Britain.
>>
>> Nor do I, but the idea that those who choose the Sword of Might are
>> somehow rogues is ridiculous because she exists.
>
>Well, she does appear on an upcoming New Excalibur cover alongside
>this Albion fellow, so at least she hasn't been forgotten about.
>Perhap's she will be a sidekick of some description, or just ended up
>falling "on the wrong side".
>
>However, this is all beside the point, as Lionheart is such a messed
>up and unneseccary character
>
>I'm not currently reading the new Excalibur, what does this sentence
>from Lionheart's wikipedia entry mean? "Though unknown how it
>occurred, Lionheart was manipulated by Albion, a super villain who
>also dislikes Captain Britain. Lionheart, though struggling to fight
>her conscience, would have killed Courtney Ross, the woman who shares
>his heart and must thus share his fate, if it was not for the arrival
>of Juggernaut and Nocturne. "
>
>Maybe I'd know if did read the book, but I veer between acceptance and
>wild frustration of Claremont and his almost wilful inconsitencies and
>failure to explain things. What's the bloody deal with "Courtney
>Ross"?!!

'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of Brian
Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the Saturnyne analog
for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in the original Excalibur
run, so that's who is running around as 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in
wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his
fate, is just nonsense. Kelsey attacked Courtney because Captain Britain
was defending him.

Lionheart has been partnered with Captain Albion from his first appearance
(a lot of folks guessed the 'Sword of Might' connection very quickly,
because of Kelsey's choice, and the clear implication that Albion was
another Brian Braddock analog.

One reason that Kelsey is bitter about Brian is that when he gave her the
choice of the Amulet of Right and the Sword of Might, he did not identify
them that way, just as a sword and an amulet, and she had to pick one (she
might still have chosen the sword, but without the knowledge of their
names, and given that her primary driver is protecting her children, she
certainly would choose the sword).


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"JLB" <barnett.DeleteThis@shentel.net> wrote in
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>> So, um, Wolverine is in denial? When did they become best buds?
>
> Isn't there a lot of stuff that shows Wolverine and him working
> together in World War 2?

Is Winter Soldier in denial? Arguably, Wolverine has seen a *lot* more
death than Bucky, but Bucky is somehow coping.

>> Um...didn't Kelsey Leigh also choose the Sword of Might? Why bother
>> with Albion when Lionheart is running around with the same concept?-
>> Hide quoted text -
>>
> Because Kelsey is clearly a supporting character and from what we've
> seen of her I don't buy her forming a real rivalry with Captain
> Britain.

Nor do I, but the idea that those who choose the Sword of Might are
somehow rogues is ridiculous because she exists.
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"Bern" <bern.RemoveThis@nothing.com> wrote in
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> I believe the only way for Alpha Flight to work is to have Wolverine
> on the team. Of course he'd have to leave the Avengers or the X-Men
> because you can stretch him only so far. Then again he's already way
> pas that point... I guess he could also be a part-time member on any
> of those teams. He's often just there in the background in a given
> story, not really being used... Why have him appear at all if he's not
> going to do anything?

Alpha Flight did just fine for about 10 years without Wolverine. They
don't need him.

> I'm not sure how Americans would feel about that, but I'd be
> interested in the book having a real Canadian feel to it, with a play
> on the tensions between french-speaking and english-speaking members,
> as well as the tensions between Canadians and Americans, you know,
> with a Canadian outlook on America and its foreing policies. ... uh,
> maybe too political?

I'd go for it. It would be something to break it from the
American-style heroes.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:15 pm
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So - titles that aren't X-related in the main section, with Excalibur
relegated to the capsules. Is this a conscious change of format, or just
something to do with the lack of x-books to review this week?

- Nathan P. Mahney -
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:14 pm
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On Apr 9, 9:44 am, Dan McEwen <ferro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> The funny thing is that people over on the DC boards seem to hate Loeb.

The DC boards are a trollfest, there probably isn't anyone working for
DC that they don't hate.
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William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn DeleteThis @newsguy.com> wrote in
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> 'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of
> Brian Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the
> Saturnyne analog for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in
> the original Excalibur run, so that's who is running around as
> 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing
> his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his fate, is just nonsense. Kelsey
> attacked Courtney because Captain Britain was defending him.

Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance

> One reason that Kelsey is bitter about Brian is that when he gave her
> the choice of the Amulet of Right and the Sword of Might, he did not
> identify them that way, just as a sword and an amulet, and she had to
> pick one (she might still have chosen the sword, but without the
> knowledge of their names, and given that her primary driver is
> protecting her children, she certainly would choose the sword).

Didn't she also get a raw deal about never getting to see her children
against if she revealed her identity to them? I think Kelsey had lots
of reasons to be bitter.
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Dan McEwen wrote:
> William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn.RemoveThis@newsguy.com> wrote in
>> 'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of
>> Brian Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the
>> Saturnyne analog for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in
>> the original Excalibur run, so that's who is running around as
>> 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing
>> his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his fate, is just nonsense. Kelsey
>> attacked Courtney because Captain Britain was defending him.
> Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
> counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance

She was supposed to the heir of her, but not the actual replacement. And
it seems that there may be heirs for every Saturyne in the multiverse.
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