REVIEWS: The X-Axis - 8 April 2007

On 10 Apr 2007 00:09:55 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroboy.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn.RemoveThis@newsguy.com> wrote in
>news:c36l13plpraafnhlk8qf4btosl2hdr7p4d@4ax.com:
>
>> 'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of
>> Brian Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the
>> Saturnyne analog for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in
>> the original Excalibur run, so that's who is running around as
>> 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing
>> his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his fate, is just nonsense. Kelsey
>> attacked Courtney because Captain Britain was defending him.
>
>Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
>counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance
>
>> One reason that Kelsey is bitter about Brian is that when he gave her
>> the choice of the Amulet of Right and the Sword of Might, he did not
>> identify them that way, just as a sword and an amulet, and she had to
>> pick one (she might still have chosen the sword, but without the
>> knowledge of their names, and given that her primary driver is
>> protecting her children, she certainly would choose the sword).
>
>Didn't she also get a raw deal about never getting to see her children
>against if she revealed her identity to them? I think Kelsey had lots
>of reasons to be bitter.

That was part of the whole 'choosing the Sword of Might over the Amulet of
Right' thing.


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"Peter Mason" <tankertron.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> On Apr 9, 9:44 am, Dan McEwen <ferro....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The funny thing is that people over on the DC boards seem to hate
>> Loeb.
>
> The DC boards are a trollfest, there probably isn't anyone working for
> DC that they don't hate.

I don't recall hate for Geoff Johns or Mark Waid.
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"Tony" <TonyJ1675.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in
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> On Apr 10, 1:35?pm, "Peter Mason" <tankert....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> They loved Mark Waid so much that they practically drove the man out
>> of the boards when he was writing JLA.
>
> --not me. I still rank Mark as the best JLA writer. Yes, above
> Grant, if only b/c Mark added a deeper layer of characterization to
> the over the topic epic scope that Grant established for the book.
> It's a shame that Mark's run on Avengers didn't last longer (and
> wasn't better).

And yet, Grant Morrison made me like Kyle Rayner. I always found Waid
to be on the bland side so I've never invested much time reading his
work. I made an exception with the current Legion book. I feel it
started strong but it didn't last - partly because the concept of "teens
against the world" couldn't really work in the long run. I understand
that it's all a matter of personal taste, but I really like the grand
epics.
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~consul <consul RemoveThis @INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote in
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> Dan McEwen wrote:
>> William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in
>>> 'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of
>>> Brian Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the
>>> Saturnyne analog for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in
>>> the original Excalibur run, so that's who is running around as
>>> 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing
>>> his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his fate, is just nonsense.
>>> Kelsey attacked Courtney because Captain Britain was defending him.
>> Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
>> counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance
>
> She was supposed to the heir of her, but not the actual replacement.
> And it seems that there may be heirs for every Saturyne in the
> multiverse.

Heir, as in blood, or heir in "I choose you"? And why would Sat-yr-9
choose an hair from a different universe entirely? Or did she just want
to have agents all over the multiverse?
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Dan McEwen wrote:
> ~consul <consul DeleteThis @INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote in
>> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
>>> counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance
>> She was supposed to the heir of her, but not the actual replacement.
>> And it seems that there may be heirs for every Saturyne in the
>> multiverse.
> Heir, as in blood, or heir in "I choose you"? And why would Sat-yr-9
> choose an hair from a different universe entirely? Or did she just want
> to have agents all over the multiverse?

I was thinking it was like "I choose you" type. Evidently there may be
some sort of 'good genes' for all the 'Kitty Pryde's in the multiverse
that the Saturyne's all like to work with.
At least that's my justification for it.
Also, she may not have any choice in the matter, as she came over, she
hasn't found a way to go back to her 'verse. Or it may be easier for her
in this 'verse than in her old Nazi-based one to rise to the top, which
she evidently has risen pretty high here.
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at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, Jameson Stalanthas Yu -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>
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On 10 Apr 2007 22:27:47 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroboy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>~consul <consul RemoveThis @INVALIDdolphins-cove.com> wrote in
>news:evgje8$ou0$1@gist.usc.edu:
>
>> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in
>>>> 'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of
>>>> Brian Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the
>>>> Saturnyne analog for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in
>>>> the original Excalibur run, so that's who is running around as
>>>> 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing
>>>> his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his fate, is just nonsense.
>>>> Kelsey attacked Courtney because Captain Britain was defending him.
>>> Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
>>> counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance
>>
>> She was supposed to the heir of her, but not the actual replacement.
>> And it seems that there may be heirs for every Saturyne in the
>> multiverse.
>
>Heir, as in blood, or heir in "I choose you"? And why would Sat-yr-9
>choose an hair from a different universe entirely? Or did she just want
>to have agents all over the multiverse?

She can't very well choose an heir from her own dimension, because Captain
UK (Linda McQuillen) kicked her sorry ass out of it.

And since at the time Captain UK was sent to deal with her, she was killing
her own subjects wholesale, just because she was looneytunes (her lover,
Kaptain Briton had dumped her and fled to Earth-616, where he screwed up,
tried to rape Betsy Braddock, and was terminated with extreme prejudice by
Betsy (even in the pre-Psylocke days, Betsy was a mean mamma-jamma)),
Sat'Yr-9's former subjects are perfectly happy to have seen her backside,
and would strongly oppose her return.


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On Apr 8, 6:20�pm, "JLB" <barn....RemoveThis@shentel.net> wrote:
> > The basic idea is that the Civil War in the USA over the Superhuman
> > Registration Act has led to criminals taking refuge in Canada, and a new
> > crime wave emerging.  This doesn't really make sense to start with.  The
> > villains weren't directly involved in the Civil War.  But in any event,
> > they're in Canada now and causing trouble, which prompts the Canadian
> > government to reform Alpha Flight.  Except this time, they're called
> > Omega Flight, and half the team is made up of Americans.
>
> Sure it does.  They figure if they do anything in the US the heroes
> will hit them quicker and harder just to show which side is better and
> so they can move back to fighting each other.

They seem to be applying the superhuman registration to
supervillians too if Thunderbolts are any indication.
I don't know about you, but if I were a supervillian given the
choice between getting implanted with mind controlling metal bugs so I
have to take orders from the corrupt incompetents in the government or
having all my civil rights taken away so I can get shoved into a metal
cell in a hostile alien dimension, I'd be looking for door number
three thank you.
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On 10 Apr 2007 00:09:55 GMT, Dan McEwen <ferroboy RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn RemoveThis @newsguy.com> wrote in
>news:c36l13plpraafnhlk8qf4btosl2hdr7p4d@4ax.com:
>
>> 'Courtney Ross' was an old school friend, and romantic interest, of
>> Brian Braddock's going back to the Alan Davis days. She was the
>> Saturnyne analog for Earth-616. Sat-yr-9 killed and replaced her in
>> the original Excalibur run, so that's who is running around as
>> 'Courtney Ross' now. That bit in wikipedia about 'Courtney' sharing
>> his (Brian's) heart, and therefore his fate, is just nonsense. Kelsey
>> attacked Courtney because Captain Britain was defending him.
>
>Wasn't there once some suggestion that Kitty might be the actual
>counterpart of Sat-yr-9, despite the resemblance

The Kitty counterpart was the *heir* to the Saturnyne counterpart in a
few of the worlds
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On Apr 9, 2:06 am, "Bern" <b... DeleteThis @nothing.com> wrote:
> > OMEGA FLIGHT #1 (of 5) - Alpha to Omega, part 1 of 5
> > by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins
> > The big problem with Alpha Flight has always been the fact that it's a
> > weak premise. Some of the characters are rather interesting, but most
> > of them are dead. Remove those characters, and you're left with the
> > concept of the Alpha Flight team itself - which is no more than "They're
> > Canadian." In the past, writers have tried to make something out of the
> > fact that they were a government sponsored team, but Civil War has
> > actually removed that as a viable distinguishing feature.
>
> I believe the only way for Alpha Flight to work is to have Wolverine on the
> team. Of course he'd have to leave the Avengers or the X-Men because you can
> stretch him only so far. Then again he's already way pas that point... I
> guess he could also be a part-time member on any of those teams. He's often
> just there in the background in a given story, not really being used... Why
> have him appear at all if he's not going to do anything?

Putting aside the question of whether or not he is needed (or whether
he could leave the X-Men whilst in space with them), this also raises
the question of what Wolverine's status actually is with respect to
the US government and SHIELD. On the one hand, I thought they said
that he and all mutants were registered already thanks to M-Day and
the 198 situation. On the other hand, he is apparently still running
around with the outlaw Avengers. And none of the mutants appear to be
required to participate in the activities with which all other
registered heroes apparently must be involved. All of this makes me
confused about his status; can anyone enlighten me?

And yes, I realize that asking such a question presupposes that there
is a rational and consistent explanation for the postbellum Marvel
Universe; humor me.

-Andy
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On Apr 11, 12:25 pm, "Andrew Walsh" <wal....RemoveThis@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2:06 am, "Bern" <b....RemoveThis@nothing.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > OMEGA FLIGHT #1 (of 5) - Alpha to Omega, part 1 of 5
> > > by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins
> > > The big problem with Alpha Flight has always been the fact that it's a
> > > weak premise. Some of the characters are rather interesting, but most
> > > of them are dead. Remove those characters, and you're left with the
> > > concept of the Alpha Flight team itself - which is no more than "They're
> > > Canadian." In the past, writers have tried to make something out of the
> > > fact that they were a government sponsored team, but Civil War has
> > > actually removed that as a viable distinguishing feature.
>
> > I believe the only way for Alpha Flight to work is to have Wolverine on the
> > team. Of course he'd have to leave the Avengers or the X-Men because you can
> > stretch him only so far. Then again he's already way pas that point... I
> > guess he could also be a part-time member on any of those teams. He's often
> > just there in the background in a given story, not really being used... Why
> > have him appear at all if he's not going to do anything?
>
> Putting aside the question of whether or not he is needed (or whether
> he could leave the X-Men whilst in space with them), this also raises
> the question of what Wolverine's status actually is with respect to
> the US government and SHIELD. On the one hand, I thought they said
> that he and all mutants were registered already thanks to M-Day and
> the 198 situation. On the other hand, he is apparently still running
> around with the outlaw Avengers. And none of the mutants appear to be
> required to participate in the activities with which all other
> registered heroes apparently must be involved. All of this makes me
> confused about his status; can anyone enlighten me?
>
> And yes, I realize that asking such a question presupposes that there
> is a rational and consistent explanation for the postbellum Marvel
> Universe; humor me.
>
> -Andy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My guess? They're considered an endangered species and any putting
them in blatent danger is frowned upon.

JLB
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"JLB" <barnett DeleteThis @shentel.net> wrote in
news:1176309753.654877.48760@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 11, 12:25 pm, "Andrew Walsh" <wal... DeleteThis @andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 2:06 am, "Bern" <b... DeleteThis @nothing.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > > OMEGA FLIGHT #1 (of 5) - Alpha to Omega, part 1 of 5
>> > > by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins
>> > > The big problem with Alpha Flight has always been the fact that
>> > > it's a weak premise. Some of the characters are rather
>> > > interesting, but most of them are dead. Remove those characters,
>> > > and you're left with the concept of the Alpha Flight team itself
>> > > - which is no more than "They're Canadian." In the past, writers
>> > > have tried to make something out of the fact that they were a
>> > > government sponsored team, but Civil War has actually removed
>> > > that as a viable distinguishing feature.
>>
>> > I believe the only way for Alpha Flight to work is to have
>> > Wolverine on the team. Of course he'd have to leave the Avengers or
>> > the X-Men because you can stretch him only so far. Then again he's
>> > already way pas that point... I guess he could also be a part-time
>> > member on any of those teams. He's often just there in the
>> > background in a given story, not really being used... Why have him
>> > appear at all if he's not going to do anything?
>>
>> Putting aside the question of whether or not he is needed (or whether
>> he could leave the X-Men whilst in space with them), this also raises
>> the question of what Wolverine's status actually is with respect to
>> the US government and SHIELD. On the one hand, I thought they said
>> that he and all mutants were registered already thanks to M-Day and
>> the 198 situation. On the other hand, he is apparently still running
>> around with the outlaw Avengers. And none of the mutants appear to
>> be required to participate in the activities with which all other
>> registered heroes apparently must be involved. All of this makes me
>> confused about his status; can anyone enlighten me?
>>
>> And yes, I realize that asking such a question presupposes that there
>> is a rational and consistent explanation for the postbellum Marvel
>> Universe; humor me.
>
> My guess? They're considered an endangered species and any putting
> them in blatent danger is frowned upon.

That was the argument for putting them under lockdown, at the very
least. The Sentinel guards and detention camp were officially
supposed to protect mutants from outside forces.

Turning around and ordering them into dangerous public service
would run counter to that.
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ajsolis.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:

>On Apr 8, 6:20�pm, "JLB" <barn....TakeThisOut@shentel.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>The basic idea is that the Civil War in the USA over the Superhuman
>>>Registration Act has led to criminals taking refuge in Canada, and a new
>>>crime wave emerging. �This doesn't really make sense to start with. �The
>>>villains weren't directly involved in the Civil War. �But in any event,
>>>they're in Canada now and causing trouble, which prompts the Canadian
>>>government to reform Alpha Flight. �Except this time, they're called
>>>Omega Flight, and half the team is made up of Americans.
>>>
>>>
>>Sure it does. �They figure if they do anything in the US the heroes
>>will hit them quicker and harder just to show which side is better and
>>so they can move back to fighting each other.
>>
>>
>
> They seem to be applying the superhuman registration to
>supervillians too if Thunderbolts are any indication.
> I don't know about you, but if I were a supervillian given the
>choice between getting implanted with mind controlling metal bugs so I
>have to take orders from the corrupt incompetents in the government or
>having all my civil rights taken away so I can get shoved into a metal
>cell in a hostile alien dimension, I'd be looking for door number
>three thank you.
>

Wouldn't door number three to be a ... supervillain? One has to
assume that by definition the supervillains were always going to be
jailed etc. It kind of mocks 30 years of comic history if the villains
are now afraid to be villains because they can no longer easily break
out of jail.

Fallen.
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"Andrew Walsh" <walsh+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in
news:1176308749.245610.3380@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> Putting aside the question of whether or not he is needed (or whether
> he could leave the X-Men whilst in space with them),

I don't think we can assume anything happening in ASX is current. It
may not even be in continuity.

this also raises
> the question of what Wolverine's status actually is with respect to
> the US government and SHIELD. On the one hand, I thought they said
> that he and all mutants were registered already thanks to M-Day and
> the 198 situation. On the other hand, he is apparently still running
> around with the outlaw Avengers. And none of the mutants appear to be
> required to participate in the activities with which all other
> registered heroes apparently must be involved. All of this makes me
> confused about his status; can anyone enlighten me?

Wolverine is registered. Wolverine is still against the principle of
registration and therefore aids them. It's the same scenario with
Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, and Spider-Woman. Strange doesn't have to
register and Spider-Man and Spider-Woman are registered. But they all
oppose SRA and therefore fight against SRA forces.

> And yes, I realize that asking such a question presupposes that there
> is a rational and consistent explanation for the postbellum Marvel
> Universe; humor me.

This part, at least, isn't irrational.
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