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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:31 am
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May I ask any readers of the Haunted River web site to take the
comments about my piece in the next ALL HALLOWS with a generous
helping of salt? Chris Roden did not give me the job of reviewing Mr
Barker's M. R. James booklet; I chose to do so and then submitted the
completed piece to Barbara Roden, the editor of ALL HALLOWS. It's the
latest instalment of my column RAMSEY CAMPBELL, PROBABLY, which now
appears there. The column previously appeared in NECROFILE and online
at www.thespook.com, and I should have written the instalment
containing the review in exactly the same way for either. The oddest
thing is that Mr Barker knows the truth of the matter, and must surely
have expected his comments to be challenged. I told him last July that
I would be reviewing the booklet in ALL HALLOWS, and he seemed happy
with the prospect then.
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ramsey.RemoveThis@ramsey-campbell.com (Ramsey Campbell) wrote in message news:<e49424.0401130631.714ad2ca.RemoveThis@posting.google.com>...
> May I ask any readers of the Haunted River web site to take the
> comments about my piece in the next ALL HALLOWS with a generous
> helping of salt? Chris Roden did not give me the job of reviewing Mr
> Barker's M. R. James booklet; I chose to do so and then submitted the
> completed piece to Barbara Roden, the editor of ALL HALLOWS. It's the
> latest instalment of my column RAMSEY CAMPBELL, PROBABLY, which now
> appears there. The column previously appeared in NECROFILE and online
> at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.thespook.com," target="_blank">www.thespook.com,</a> and I should have written the instalment
> containing the review in exactly the same way for either. The oddest
> thing is that Mr Barker knows the truth of the matter, and must surely
> have expected his comments to be challenged. I told him last July that
> I would be reviewing the booklet in ALL HALLOWS, and he seemed happy
> with the prospect then.
>
> Ramsey Campbell
With respect, I do not recall your telling me you would be reviewing
the booklet for ALL HALLOWS. As we have only ever communicated by
letter and email, this should be very easy to clear up. Please do
forward me a copy of any email in which you mention that you will be
reviewing the booklet. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't one.
In contrast, I can prove that I twice offered review copies to
Rosemary Pardoe, but for reasons known only to Mrs Pardoe, she opted
to ignore the offer, instead procuring a copy covertly elsewhere, and
then downgrading its status on her website bibliography as an article
rather than the book(let) that it quite obviously is.
If the self-appointed expert on Jamesian matters bends over backwards
to avoid reviewing the booklet, or even in accepting a gratis copy,
then not only does it support my contention that those with a vested
interest in M R James want to snuff out unflattering Jamesian
speculation, but small wonder that I don't care about soliciting
reviews elsewhere.
Finally, a comment about reviews in general. As you are no doubt
aware, I actively welcome reviews. I cannot understand why you think I
would possibly object in principle to your reviewing the book. I
don't, and have never done so.
However, I do have serious reservations about the proposed review for
the following reasons:
a) the review was discussed by the owner of ALL HALLOWS recently in a
conversation where the booklet was denigrated to the status of a
'screed' and a 'pamphlet'. You were mentioned in that conversation.
That hardly bodes well for an objective review, does it?
b) you have made it abundantly clear that you regard Mr Roden as a
close friend. You will obviously be aware that Mr Roden went to quite
extraordinary lengths to denigrate our booklet when it first came out,
here in this very forum. He exhibited much sour grapery by posting the
Crake tale online to try and 'spike' our sales along with making an
embarrassing gaffe about the word 'sheath'. (I wonder whether these
aspects will find their way into your review.....no, of course they
won't.) But again, these factors bode ill for objectivity in any
review.
c) when you and I were discussing the Kim Newman DVD sleeve notes, I
was surprised by your inability to understand my stance on the issue
of errors in those sleeve notes (errors that were spotted by your own
friends elsewhere). I concluded that you probably did understand my
viewpoint, but that you did not want to acknowledge it out of regard
for your friend Mr Newman. Again, this odd behaviour bodes ill for any
review.
If you were obstinately unwilling to acknowledge that Kim Newman had
made basic factual errors in his sleeve notes e.g. he dated MRJ's
debut collection as 1905 instead of 1904, then I fail to see how you
can possibly review our booklet fairly, given the high profile scorn
poured upon it by Chris Roden and Rosemary Pardoe, who are also your
friends.
At the risk of making a bad joke, one has to ask "Will Ramsey
Campbell's review be influenced by such nepotistic factors?" The
answer has to be "Probably."
* * * * * *
But these are peripheral issues. Review away, by all means. The
important matter for us to clear up here and now is your reference to
me as 'odd' and your reference to the 'truth of the matter'. Please
forward me the email in which you say that you will be reviewing the
booklet for ALL HALLOWS so that we can indeed get at the truth of the
matter (a quick look at the email headers will prove it either way).
Please also advise why you believe I object to the idea of a review in
principle.
Chris Barker
The Haunted River
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>ramsey@ramsey-campbell.com (Ramsey Campbell) wrote in message news:<e49424.0401130631.714ad2ca RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
>> May I ask any readers of the Haunted River web site to take the
>> comments about my piece in the next ALL HALLOWS with a generous
>> helping of salt? Chris Roden did not give me the job of reviewing Mr
>> Barker's M. R. James booklet; I chose to do so and then submitted the
>> completed piece to Barbara Roden, the editor of ALL HALLOWS. It's the
>> latest instalment of my column RAMSEY CAMPBELL, PROBABLY, which now
>> appears there. The column previously appeared in NECROFILE and online
>> at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.thespook.com," target="_blank">www.thespook.com,</a> and I should have written the instalment
>> containing the review in exactly the same way for either. The oddest
>> thing is that Mr Barker knows the truth of the matter, and must surely
>> have expected his comments to be challenged. I told him last July that
>> I would be reviewing the booklet in ALL HALLOWS, and he seemed happy
>> with the prospect then.
>>
>> Ramsey Campbell
>
>With respect, I do not recall your telling me you would be reviewing
>the booklet for ALL HALLOWS. As we have only ever communicated by
>letter and email, this should be very easy to clear up. Please do
>forward me a copy of any email in which you mention that you will be
>reviewing the booklet. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't one.
>
>In contrast, I can prove that I twice offered review copies to
>Rosemary Pardoe, but for reasons known only to Mrs Pardoe, she opted
>to ignore the offer, instead procuring a copy covertly elsewhere, and
>then downgrading its status on her website bibliography as an article
>rather than the book(let) that it quite obviously is.
Obviously, Ms. Pardoe deemed your pamphlet a matter of little
importance in terms of Jamesian scholarship. I certainly don't want to
put words in her mouth, but the general consensus as to your
scholarship seems to run along the lines of "screed", "rant", "lurid
fantasies", "projections", and the like.
>
>If the self-appointed expert on Jamesian matters bends over backwards
>to avoid reviewing the booklet, or even in accepting a gratis copy,
>then not only does it support my contention that those with a vested
>interest in M R James want to snuff out unflattering Jamesian
>speculation, but small wonder that I don't care about soliciting
>reviews elsewhere.
>
Most professional publications will greet your non-fiction with the
same receptivity that they have shown your fiction, that is to say,
with the greatest of disdain.
>Finally, a comment about reviews in general. As you are no doubt
>aware, I actively welcome reviews. I cannot understand why you think I
>would possibly object in principle to your reviewing the book. I
>don't, and have never done so.
>
>However, I do have serious reservations about the proposed review for
>the following reasons:
>
>a) the review was discussed by the owner of ALL HALLOWS recently in a
>conversation where the booklet was denigrated to the status of a
>'screed' and a 'pamphlet'. You were mentioned in that conversation.
>That hardly bodes well for an objective review, does it?
Nonsense. I count Barbara and Chris among my best friends, my books
are reviewed regularly in All Hallows, sometimes positively, sometimes
negatively. To insinuate that Ramsey is somehow "on the take" is a
remark that I'd consider beneath even a noxious little toad like
yourself.
>b) you have made it abundantly clear that you regard Mr Roden as a
>close friend. You will obviously be aware that Mr Roden went to quite
>extraordinary lengths to denigrate our booklet when it first came out,
>here in this very forum. He exhibited much sour grapery by posting the
>Crake tale online to try and 'spike' our sales along with making an
>embarrassing gaffe about the word 'sheath'. (I wonder whether these
>aspects will find their way into your review.....no, of course they
>won't.) But again, these factors bode ill for objectivity in any
>review.
Considering the sort of unhealthy projections in your pamphlet, I'm
amazed that your use of the words "sheath" and "spike" hasn't left you
so excited that you're unable to type.
>
>c) when you and I were discussing the Kim Newman DVD sleeve notes, I
>was surprised by your inability to understand my stance on the issue
>of errors in those sleeve notes (errors that were spotted by your own
>friends elsewhere). I concluded that you probably did understand my
>viewpoint, but that you did not want to acknowledge it out of regard
>for your friend Mr Newman. Again, this odd behaviour bodes ill for any
>review.
Many people find your postures on various issues to be
incomprehensible, Mr. Campbell is but one of a vast company in this
regard.
>
>If you were obstinately unwilling to acknowledge that Kim Newman had
>made basic factual errors in his sleeve notes e.g. he dated MRJ's
>debut collection as 1905 instead of 1904, then I fail to see how you
>can possibly review our booklet fairly, given the high profile scorn
>poured upon it by Chris Roden and Rosemary Pardoe, who are also your
>friends.
>
>At the risk of making a bad joke, one has to ask "Will Ramsey
>Campbell's review be influenced by such nepotistic factors?" The
>answer has to be "Probably."
>
>
>* * * * * *
>
>But these are peripheral issues. Review away, by all means. The
>important matter for us to clear up here and now is your reference to
>me as 'odd' and your reference to the 'truth of the matter'.
"Odd" is one of the very mildest of terms that can be applied to
you...
Good day,
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OhThoseVileBodies.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in message news:<8aeb84d7.0401131048.11729103.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>...
> But these are peripheral issues. Review away, by all means. The
> important matter for us to clear up here and now is your reference to
> me as 'odd' and your reference to the 'truth of the matter'.
How could I ever have described you as odd? Please read what I
actually wrote in my original posting, which wasn't the same thing at
all.
Please
> forward me the email in which you say that you will be reviewing the
> booklet for ALL HALLOWS so that we can indeed get at the truth of the
> matter (a quick look at the email headers will prove it either way).
You've agreed that on 27 July 2003 I emailed you as follows:
"Dear Chris:
By the by, I've reviewed VITTORINI for the next issue of the British
Fantasy Society's journal, and I hope to discuss the James booklet in
my column in ALL HALLOWS. I'll need to reread "The Ash-Tree" - it's
been a while."
>
> Please also advise why you believe I object to the idea of a review in
> principle.
I can't see where I say that in my original posting either, or indeed
anywhere else.
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OhThoseVileBodies.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in message news:<8aeb84d7.0401140408.11367533.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> Pelan:
>
> Once again this is none of *your* business. Stop poking your nose into
> affairs that do not concern you. Go away.
>
> RC raised a couple of simple issues that we can quickly resolve on our
> own without your foul and egocentric intervention.
>
> Chris Barker
> The Haunted River
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Mrs. Barfer:
It is none of any of our business so why don't you SHUT THE HELL UP
ABOUT IT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Are you on your period again???
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OhThoseVileBodies RemoveThis @hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in message news:<8aeb84d7.0401131048.11729103 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
> ramsey RemoveThis @ramsey-campbell.com (Ramsey Campbell) wrote in message news:<e49424.0401130631.714ad2ca RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
> > May I ask any readers of the Haunted River web site to take the
> > comments about my piece in the next ALL HALLOWS with a generous
> > helping of salt? Chris Roden did not give me the job of reviewing Mr
> > Barker's M. R. James booklet; I chose to do so and then submitted the
> > completed piece to Barbara Roden, the editor of ALL HALLOWS. It's the
> > latest instalment of my column RAMSEY CAMPBELL, PROBABLY, which now
> > appears there. The column previously appeared in NECROFILE and online
> > at <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.thespook.com," target="_blank">www.thespook.com,</a> and I should have written the instalment
> > containing the review in exactly the same way for either. The oddest
> > thing is that Mr Barker knows the truth of the matter, and must surely
> > have expected his comments to be challenged. I told him last July that
> > I would be reviewing the booklet in ALL HALLOWS, and he seemed happy
> > with the prospect then.
> >
> > Ramsey Campbell
Dear Mrs. Piss Barfer,
>
> With respect,
Bullshit.
I do not recall your telling me you would be reviewing
> the booklet for ALL HALLOWS. As we have only ever communicated by
> letter and email, this should be very easy to clear up. Please do
> forward me a copy of any email in which you mention that you will be
> reviewing the booklet. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't one.
He posted it here idiot.
>
> In contrast, I can prove that I twice offered review copies to
> Rosemary Pardoe, but for reasons known only to Mrs Pardoe, she opted
> to ignore the offer, instead procuring a copy covertly elsewhere, and
> then downgrading its status on her website bibliography as an article
> rather than the book(let) that it quite obviously is.
Who cares?!?!? Pardoe post why she did not want this article on her
website. Why don't you just go read it?
>
> If the self-appointed expert on Jamesian matters bends over backwards
> to avoid reviewing the booklet, or even in accepting a gratis copy,
> then not only does it support my contention that those with a vested
> interest in M R James want to snuff out unflattering Jamesian
> speculation, but small wonder that I don't care about soliciting
> reviews elsewhere.
No. Maybe she knew it was a piece of crap.
>
> Finally,
Bullshit. (see below)
a comment about reviews in general. As you are no doubt
> aware, I actively welcome reviews. I cannot understand why you think I
> would possibly object in principle to your reviewing the book. I
> don't, and have never done so.
>
WHooptie SHit!! Thanks Piss! We were all dying to know THIS!
> However, I do have serious reservations about the proposed review for
> the following reasons:
>
Who cares? Then don't read it. Moron!
> a) the review was discussed by the owner of ALL HALLOWS recently in a
> conversation where the booklet was denigrated to the status of a
> 'screed' and a 'pamphlet'. You were mentioned in that conversation.
> That hardly bodes well for an objective review, does it?
>
DOES ANYBODY CARE EXCEPT YOU AND TWISTED MIND???? Anyone....? Speak
now...
> b) you have made it abundantly clear that you regard Mr Roden as a
> close friend. You will obviously be aware that Mr Roden went to quite
> extraordinary lengths to denigrate our booklet when it first came out,
> here in this very forum. He exhibited much sour grapery by posting the
> Crake tale online to try and 'spike' our sales along with making an
> embarrassing gaffe about the word 'sheath'. (I wonder whether these
> aspects will find their way into your review.....no, of course they
> won't.) But again, these factors bode ill for objectivity in any
> review.
Piss, did you know there is a real world outside of your window or
whereever it is you reside? You sound more and more like a crazy nut
everyday. Quite stupid and foolish to boot also.
>
> c) when you and I were discussing the Kim Newman DVD sleeve notes, I
> was surprised by your inability to understand my stance on the issue
> of errors in those sleeve notes (errors that were spotted by your own
> friends elsewhere). I concluded that you probably did understand my
> viewpoint, but that you did not want to acknowledge it out of regard
> for your friend Mr Newman. Again, this odd behaviour bodes ill for any
> review.
>
Okay, now I am laughing aloud. Your not only all I wrote about but
downright sick. Do you really think about such things all the time?
How can you possibly sleep at night? How did you get to be such a big
baby?
> If you were obstinately unwilling to acknowledge that Kim Newman had
> made basic factual errors in his sleeve notes e.g. he dated MRJ's
> debut collection as 1905 instead of 1904, then I fail to see how you
> can possibly review our booklet fairly, given the high profile scorn
> poured upon it by Chris Roden and Rosemary Pardoe, who are also your
> friends.
>
> At the risk of making a bad joke, one has to ask "Will Ramsey
> Campbell's review be influenced by such nepotistic factors?" The
> answer has to be "Probably."
>
The rubber chicken should be shoved up your ass for that one.
>
> * * * * * *
>
> But these are peripheral issues.
NOT TO YOU OBVIOUSLY! You silly nutjob.
Review away, by all means. The
> important matter for us to clear up here and now is your reference to
> me as 'odd' and your reference to the 'truth of the matter'. Please
> forward me the email in which you say that you will be reviewing the
> booklet for ALL HALLOWS so that we can indeed get at the truth of the
> matter (a quick look at the email headers will prove it either way).
You have lost you mind right before our very eyes. Hope your going to
enjoy our career in isolation as a anthema.
>
> Please also advise why you believe I object to the idea of a review in
> principle.
Because you have already objected to the most reasonable of reviews
(see Jim Rockhill's review of your book publication) and made
hideously unfounded, blown out of proportion comments about that
review in a public forum. Need me to repost it for you?
Please stop polluting this newsgroup with your insane, idiotic,
obsessive ramblings you big baby. We all hate you and wish you would
go away.
Dick M.
>
> Chris Barker
> The Haunted River
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ramsey RemoveThis @ramsey-campbell.com (Ramsey Campbell) wrote in message news:<e49424.0401140849.481b0330 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
> OhThoseVileBodies RemoveThis @hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in message news:<8aeb84d7.0401131048.11729103 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
> > But these are peripheral issues. Review away, by all means. The
> > important matter for us to clear up here and now is your reference to
> > me as 'odd' and your reference to the 'truth of the matter'.
>
> How could I ever have described you as odd? Please read what I
> actually wrote in my original posting, which wasn't the same thing at
> all.
Splitting hairs, you did say "the oddest is thing is that Mr Barker
knows the truth of the matter...".
Being the subject of the sentence, it does rather suggest that you
think me odd, in your thinking actions associated with me are odd.
But it's a minor issue: you can have the point. You did not
specifically call me odd.
>
> Please
> > forward me the email in which you say that you will be reviewing the
> > booklet for ALL HALLOWS so that we can indeed get at the truth of the
> > matter (a quick look at the email headers will prove it either way).
>
> You've agreed that on 27 July 2003 I emailed you as follows:
>
> "Dear Chris:
>
> By the by, I've reviewed VITTORINI for the next issue of the British
> Fantasy Society's journal, and I hope to discuss the James booklet in
> my column in ALL HALLOWS. I'll need to reread "The Ash-Tree" - it's
> been a while."
>
Yes, but I can't quite recall giving you permission to quote the email
(a mere courtesy: the content of the email doesn't trouble me at all).
As we can see, you did not in fact advise me that you would be
reviewing the booklet for All Hallows. You simply said you "hope to
discuss it in my (your) column". To my mind that is something
completely different. Not only was it merely a possibility, but a
discussion in a column might mean nothing more than a one or two line
reference. It does not equate to a review. You yourself differentiated
between the two things in your email.
So I stand by my earlier comment: you did not advise me that you would
be reviewing the booklet for All Hallows.
Your disingenuous reference to the 'truth of the matter' was therefore
not only misplaced but rather ill-intentioned. The truth of the matter
is that a review was never mentioned until last week.
> >
> > Please also advise why you believe I object to the idea of a review in
> > principle.
>
> I can't see where I say that in my original posting either, or indeed
> anywhere else.
>
Your post on the 13th of this month suggested that I opposed the
notion of a review. You said that I was 'happy with the prospect then'
e.g. the implication being that I was not happy about it now.
Anyone not 'happy with the prospect' of a review could quite
reasonably be said to object to it.
> Ramsey Campbell
You once accused me of sidestepping issues that did not appeal to me,
but here in this discussion you have sidestepped my comments on your
possible unimpartiality, Kim Newman's sleeve notes, and the fact that
G&S pretended not to recieve the offer of a free review copy of the
booklet (I seem to recall your once raising this specific issue
yourself, but that you quickly reverted to silence after I pointed
this out to you). I find that odd.
Yours sincerely,
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> From: OhThoseVileBodies.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Haunted River)
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> Pelan:
>
> Once again this is none of *your* business. Stop poking your nose into
> affairs that do not concern you. Go away.
Much as it pains me to do so, John, I have to agree with Barky the Wonder
Scribe, here. Let him dig his own grave. I'm making popcorn--I don't
think he's been this much fun to watch in ages.
Now, if he'd just throw in one of those awful little one-act plays full
of famous names making bad puns with antique phrasing...
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--Robert
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:05 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:43 am
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OhThoseVileBodies.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in
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> Subject: Re: Ramsey Campbell, Probably
> From: OhThoseVileBodies.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Haunted River)
> Newsgroups: alt.books.ghost-fiction
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> Surely you aren't on your own, Goyle? Pelan's summons surely applied
> to Crabbe as well.
Who? Is that somebody I'm supposed to know because you've assigned us
comradeship in the nightmare army set against you in your fevered mind?
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"There are men in this world," he said, "who go about demanding to be
killed. You must have noticed them...these are people who wander through
the world shouting 'Kill me. Kill me.' And there is always somebody
ready to oblige them."
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:04 am
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Robert Lee <cranchingwire.RemoveThis@earthpiddlydiddlydoolink.poop.net.peepee> wrote in message news:<Xns9470BEA8ACC59cheezycreezy.RemoveThis@207.69.154.205>...
> OhThoseVileBodies.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in
> news:8aeb84d7.0401141541.7abeee3@posting.google.com:
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> > Subject: Re: Ramsey Campbell, Probably
> > From: OhThoseVileBodies.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Haunted River)
> > Newsgroups: alt.books.ghost-fiction
> >
> > Surely you aren't on your own, Goyle? Pelan's summons surely applied
> > to Crabbe as well.
>
> Who? Is that somebody I'm supposed to know because you've assigned us
> comradeship in the nightmare army set against you in your fevered mind?
>
> --
> --Robert
>
Crabbe and Goyle are Draco Malfoy's idiot henchmen in the Harry Potter
books. You only ever seem to appear here when your pal Pelan requires
orchestrated support.
PS. What is your connection with Pelan? Are you the Lee he writes
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:12 am
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Chris,
You know I try and keep out of these things, and that I have no interest
in feeding the fires of these arguements, but really this post boggles
my mind.
> >
> > How could I ever have described you as odd? Please read what I
> > actually wrote in my original posting, which wasn't the same thing at
> > all.
>
> Splitting hairs, you did say "the oddest is thing is that Mr Barker
> knows the truth of the matter...".
>
> Being the subject of the sentence, it does rather suggest that you
> think me odd, in your thinking actions associated with me are odd.
>
> But it's a minor issue: you can have the point. You did not
> specifically call me odd.
>
>
How can you honestly believe Mr Campbell called you odd? There is no way
that statement can be reasonably be taken to have done so. I just don't
understand it.
> >
> > Please
> > > forward me the email in which you say that you will be reviewing the
> > > booklet for ALL HALLOWS so that we can indeed get at the truth of the
> > > matter (a quick look at the email headers will prove it either way).
> >
> > You've agreed that on 27 July 2003 I emailed you as follows:
> >
> > "Dear Chris:
> >
> > By the by, I've reviewed VITTORINI for the next issue of the British
> > Fantasy Society's journal, and I hope to discuss the James booklet in
> > my column in ALL HALLOWS. I'll need to reread "The Ash-Tree" - it's
> > been a while."
> >
>
> Yes, but I can't quite recall giving you permission to quote the email
> (a mere courtesy: the content of the email doesn't trouble me at all).
Why would Mr Campbell have to get your permission? It's HIS email! He
wrote it, he can quote it all he wants. I'm speechless.
>
> As we can see, you did not in fact advise me that you would be
> reviewing the booklet for All Hallows. You simply said you "hope to
> discuss it in my (your) column". To my mind that is something
> completely different. Not only was it merely a possibility, but a
> discussion in a column might mean nothing more than a one or two line
> reference. It does not equate to a review. You yourself differentiated
> between the two things in your email.
>
> So I stand by my earlier comment: you did not advise me that you would
> be reviewing the booklet for All Hallows.
>
He is not reviewing it for All Hallows. He's reviewing it in his column,
which happens to be printed in AH. Maybe that is splitting hairs, but
his email to you clearly suggests that he plans on making it the topic
of his column, a column that has been around long enough in enough
places (one of them free) that it's quite obvious more than a sentance
or two would be produced on the subject.
> Your disingenuous reference to the 'truth of the matter' was therefore
> not only misplaced but rather ill-intentioned. The truth of the matter
> is that a review was never mentioned until last week.
>
I don't know anything about the rest, so I won't comment, but come on
Chris, don't you think your stretching it this time?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:41 am
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OhThoseVileBodies.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in
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> Splitting hairs, you did say "the oddest is thing is that Mr Barker
> knows the truth of the matter...".
>
> Being the subject of the sentence, it does rather suggest that you
> think me odd, in your thinking actions associated with me are odd.
>
> But it's a minor issue: you can have the point. You did not
> specifically call me odd.
I love how you keep talking like anybody but you thinks there's an actual
*argument* going on, here.
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"There are men in this world," he said, "who go about demanding to be
killed. You must have noticed them...these are people who wander through
the world shouting 'Kill me. Kill me.' And there is always somebody
ready to oblige them."
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:01 am
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OhThoseVileBodies.RemoveThis@hotmail.com (Haunted River) wrote in
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> Crabbe and Goyle are Draco Malfoy's idiot henchmen in the Harry Potter
> books.
Ah, no wonder. I only read the first book and wasn't impressed.
> You only ever seem to appear here when your pal Pelan requires
> orchestrated support.
Now you're seeing patterns where none exist.
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"There are men in this world," he said, "who go about demanding to be
killed. You must have noticed them...these are people who wander through
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