Random question: Honor Harrington's height, weight, and ey..

On Mar 10, 7:47 pm, Don Sample <dsam....DeleteThis@synapse.net> wrote:
> In article <1d06v2dug7d3r6p5ac6tpha7sh4er8j....DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> Brian McDonald <Brian_knowspam.McDon....DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
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> > On 10 Mar 2007 10:33:32 -0800, "rlbell.ns...@gmail.com"
> > <rlbell.ns....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >The 188cm has shown up in other places. The Saganami Island Tactical
> > >Simulator gives her height as 188cm and her weight as 70kg. The
> > >weight number is blatantly wrong, and is probably the result of
> > >someone looking at her weight in kg, seeing the number is way bigger
> > >than he expected, assuming it was meant to be in pounds, and
> > >converting that number to kg. This puts Honor Harrington at slightly
> > >over three hundred pounds (152kg), which, for a well muscled and dense
> > >individual, is not too heavy (except to float easily), especially one
> > >who is about the same height as the governor of California.
>
> > >The closest Honor ever came to 70kg was during her stint on the Tepes,
> > >when her jailor miscalculated how much food she needed. When I was 19
> > >years old, I was 191cm and about 85kg. I was rail-thin. If I
> > >inhaled, you could see the lowest eight pairs of ribs. There is no
> > >way that Honor is 70kg, in fighting trim.
>
> > bear in mind women are build differently than men are and will weigh
> > quite a bit less at a given height. 300 lb is an awfully large woman
> > even allowing for being a genie with a bit denser muscle etc.
>
> I looked her up in a couple of "Ideal weight for height" charts, and
> 70kg would put her pretty much in the middle of the range for a medium
> framed woman of her height. (I had to do a little extrapolating, since
> they usually only went to 6'.)
>
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I may have been mistaken about where the 70kg comes from. However, if
you read the small print on the bottom of that chart that comes up
first, when goggling for height weight charts for women, you will
notice that it assumes the woman has three pounds of indoor clothing
on, and is wearing 1" heels. A particular problem with the
Metropolitan Life table, in particular (which puts the middle of a
medium built woman at about 70kg, if she is 6') is that the average
woman who is 6'2" would be considered to be about forty pounds
overweight (at least).

Honor harrington may not be 150kg. However, she is much more than
70. My guess for where the 70 came from could be wrong, but a better
guess than 154 pounds is 220 (which puts her thirty pounds heavier
than my sister-in-law, who is only 5'10" and not a well muscled native
of a high gravity world).

The only positive sounding descriptions that could be attributed to a
6'2", 154 pound woman are 'elfin' or 'willowy'.

Brian McDonald <Brian_knowspam.McDonald RemoveThis @shaw.ca> wrote
> On 10 Mar 2007 10:33:32 -0800, "rlbell.nsuid@gmail.com"

> >The 188cm has shown up in other places. The Saganami Island
Tactical
> >Simulator gives her height as 188cm and her weight as 70kg. The
> >weight number is blatantly wrong, and is probably the result of
> >someone looking at her weight in kg, seeing the number is way bigger
> >than he expected, assuming it was meant to be in pounds, and
> >converting that number to kg. This puts Honor Harrington at
slightly
> >over three hundred pounds (152kg), which, for a well muscled and
dense
> >individual, is not too heavy (except to float easily), especially
one
> >who is about the same height as the governor of California.
> >
> >The closest Honor ever came to 70kg was during her stint on the
Tepes,
> >when her jailor miscalculated how much food she needed. When I was
19
> >years old, I was 191cm and about 85kg. I was rail-thin. If I
> >inhaled, you could see the lowest eight pairs of ribs. There is no
> >way that Honor is 70kg, in fighting trim.
>
>
> bear in mind women are build differently than men are and will weigh
> quite a bit less at a given height. 300 lb is an awfully large woman
> even allowing for being a genie with a bit denser muscle etc.

OK, here's the obvious texev (easy for anyone with the RTFs from the
CDs or the copies of their files on the net, just search for "kilos"
and "centim").

[OBS]
"Permission to come aboard?" Her voice was a cool, clear soprano,
surprisingly light in a woman her size, for she easily topped McKeon's
own hundred and eighty centimeters.

[tHotQ]
Ramirez was six centimeters shorter than Honor, but San Martin, the
single habitable planet of Trevor's Star, was one of the
heaviest-gravity worlds man had settled.

[SVW]
At that moment, Admiral Konstanzakis walked -- jogged, really --
through the hatch with Admiral Miazawa. Konstanzakis was barely shorter
than Honor, and she was also much heavier-boned and stockier. She
probably out-massed Honor by at least fifty percent, whereas Miazawa
was barely a hundred and sixty centimeters tall and couldn't have
weighed much more than fifty kilos. They looked like a mastiff and a
Pekingese [...]

[FoD]
Paul was a chunky, powerful man, despite his relative shortness, but
Ramirez's shoulders were twice as broad as his, and the colonel's upper
arms were thicker than most men's thighs. At a hundred and eighty-three
centimeters, he massed over a hundred and fifty kilos, and if there
were three excess grams of fat anywhere about his person, twenty
T-years of Marine phys-ed had been unable to find them.


So Honor is 189 cm (6' 2") and a mass of 152 kg seems perfectly
reasonable.

However, even if prolong means Carson Clinkscales is still growing,
there are some fluctuations in the text. Perhaps these can be adjusted
in the "Great Resizing" ?



[HaE]
Of course, at just over a hundred and ninety centimeters she was taller
than any of them, and her birth world's gravity well, almost fifteen
percent deeper than Grayson's, had given her impressive strength and
reflexes.

[IEH]

The color showed very clearly, for Ensign Carson Clinkscales, her flag
lieutenant, was cursed with the fair, freckled complexion that went
with his dark red hair and green eyes. He was enormously tall for a
Grayson -- at a hundred and ninety centimeters, he was taller than
Honor herself, which was a claim very few Graysons could make -- but he
was also only twenty-one T-years old.

[EoH]

Clinkscales' fair redhead's complexion had not reacted well to Hell's
climate. At least the dense canopy at Site One, coupled with copious
use of sun blocker from the shuttles' emergency stores, had protected
him from direct sunlight and he hadn't burned—yet—but he tended to stay
an alarming, heat-induced beet-red which looked fairly awesome on
someone his size. At a hundred and ninety centimeters, he was a good
two centimeters taller than Honor, which made him a veritable giant for
a Grayson.

And frantically though Alistair McKeon, Andrew LaFollet, and Horace
Harkness had searched, they had not turned up a single Peep skinsuit
designed for a one-armed woman a hundred and eighty-eight centimeters
tall.

--
Mike D