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cagard

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:11 pm
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I appreciate any advice.
Have another rare book.
Not sure what to do in terms of listing, pricing.
I just list at Amazon now.
This collection I bought from my dear friend, was very much into all
this metaphysical stuff.

This book is:
Memory and its Nature
by Annie Besant and H. P. Blavatsky
The Theosophical Publishing House
Adyar, Madras, India
1935
No other dates. There's this As. 8 purple circle stamp.
Sticker for The Theosophical Press, Wheaton, ILL.
Last page says Printed by A.K. Sitarama Shastri, at the Vasanta Press,
Adkyar, Madras. 81 pgs. paper is good quality.
Paperback.

I see this is a newer edition of this book out. saw three 1980 ones
priced at between 18 and 24 dollars. How do I price this 1935 edition?
Thx. cagard

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:11 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:40 pm
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"cagard" <cagard.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>I appreciate any advice.
> Have another rare book.
> Not sure what to do in terms of listing, pricing.
> I just list at Amazon now.

You've already listed it on amazon.com?
That means you've already decided the book's value and
it's now obvious that you're just spamming.

Kris
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my_wings1

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:28 am
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"Kris Baker" <kris.baker.DeleteThis@prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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> "cagard" <cagard.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:97fnm1l4on23vbh60o6srijrt82bbl22pj@4ax.com...
>>I appreciate any advice.
>> Have another rare book.
>> Not sure what to do in terms of listing, pricing.
>> I just list at Amazon now.
>
> You've already listed it on amazon.com?
> That means you've already decided the book's value and
> it's now obvious that you're just spamming.
>


Kris:

He didn't actually say that this particular book was already listed at
Amazon. He merely said: "I just list at Amazon now." That could simply mean
he doesn't use any other venue, like eBay, where the customers could help
determine the final price. So...I had to look. There are two paperback
copies on Amazon, one of which is from 1986. Unless cagard is the other
seller (da_book_stops_here - 1859 lifetime ratings) who doesn't describe his
book as to year, I think you've jumped the gun in accusing him of spamming.
His post meets the "acceptable" criteria as spelled out in the FAQ.

Alice

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Book collecting terms illustrated. Occasional books for sale.
http://www.mywingsbooks.com/
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:36 am
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"my-wings" <my_wings DeleteThis @TAKEOUTatt.net> wrote in message
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>
> Kris:
>
> He didn't actually say that this particular book was already listed at
> Amazon. He merely said: "I just list at Amazon now." That could simply
> mean he doesn't use any other venue, like eBay, where the customers could
> help determine the final price. So...I had to look. There are two
> paperback copies on Amazon, one of which is from 1986. Unless cagard is
> the other seller (da_book_stops_here - 1859 lifetime ratings) who doesn't
> describe his book as to year, I think you've jumped the gun in accusing
> him of spamming. His post meets the "acceptable" criteria as spelled out
> in the FAQ.
>
> Alice

The part that says --
About how much is it worth? (Please check the major online catalogues
first:
see section 2.4.)

Several here have given him specific pointers and links in the past three
weeks.
When do we start "teaching him to fish" rather than handing him the fish?

Kris
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my_wings1

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:41 am
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"Kris Baker" <kris.baker DeleteThis @prodigyy.net> wrote in message
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> "my-wings" <my_wings DeleteThis @TAKEOUTatt.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> Kris:
>>
>> He didn't actually say that this particular book was already listed at
>> Amazon. He merely said: "I just list at Amazon now." That could simply
>> mean he doesn't use any other venue, like eBay, where the customers could
>> help determine the final price. So...I had to look. There are two
>> paperback copies on Amazon, one of which is from 1986. Unless cagard is
>> the other seller (da_book_stops_here - 1859 lifetime ratings) who doesn't
>> describe his book as to year, I think you've jumped the gun in accusing
>> him of spamming. His post meets the "acceptable" criteria as spelled out
>> in the FAQ.
>>
>> Alice
>
> The part that says --
> About how much is it worth? (Please check the major online catalogues
> first:
> see section 2.4.)
>
> Several here have given him specific pointers and links in the past three
> weeks.
> When do we start "teaching him to fish" rather than handing him the fish?
>
> Kris

He has been given some good information in response to the four posts he's
made, including the link to AddALL (which doesn't contain a single copy of
the book in question, by the way) for pricing. I still think he's within the
charter to make this request, and I don't think he's spamming.

Personally, I don't feel compelled to teach anybody to fish, and I would
appreciate it if you would limit the "we" to yourself, since the word
implies that you speak for all of us, and you don't speak for me. I'm more
interested in people having the same kind of great experience that I had
when I first found this group...helpful, knowledgeable people who enjoyed
talking about books and didn't even mind if somebody asked some question
already buried in the FAQ.

It's not like this is a high traffic group with too many on topic posts to
read. Speaking for myself, anything on-topic is welcome.

Alice
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John R. Yamamoto-Wilson

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:23 am
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cagard wrote:

>I just wish i had a rule of thumb to use.

The guiding principle is that the value of a secondhand book depends on
how scarce it is, how much demand there is for it and what kind of
condition it is in. You know the condition if you have the book in your
hand, but you have to turn over all possible stones if you want to
establish its scarcity and the possible interest anyone might have in
it.

A search of library catalogues and a search on Google should give a
pretty fair idea of how scarce it is. I turned up just one copy on the
Karlsruhe metacatalogue
(http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib/en/kvk.html), which suggests
that it is pretty scarce. There was no mention at all on Google of the
1935 edition of this book, which not only confirms that it is scarce,
but also suggests that it isn't anyone's holy grail. Helena Blavatsky
was the founder of theosophy, and one would expect some mention of this
book by theosophists, but there is nothing specific.

I just found one indication that theosophists are interested in this
work. That was a web page of the Canadian Theosophical Society,
containing the following entry:
"Memory and its Nature [Looking for it] Annie Besant"
(http://www.theosophical.ca/AdyarPamphlets.htm)
There is no mention of the date of publication or of Blavatsky's
co-authorship. Still, one might try contacting them.

The other search results on Google all seem to be references to the
1980 reprint (mostly copies for sale, rather than anyone showing any
particular interest in the contents).

Given that there is scant reference to this work, one needs to get an
idea of what kind of value is attached to comparable works. Tying
together bibliography and biography, Blavatsky had died long before
this book came out, and Besant herself had died two years previously. A
search for works by Besant published by Adyar during the years
following her death turned up a dozen entries on ABE
(http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchEntry) at prices between
about $3 and $100.

The most expensive item is a set of a dozen issues of a periodical. The
highest price for a single work (The High Value of War) is $50. There
is a reference to the contents of that book (or pamphlet) at
http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/questmagazine/septoct03/ellwood/,
suggesting that the contents are of some interest to theosophists. On
the other hand, your book has been reprinted, whereas that one
apparently hasn't.

If you were that bothered, you could check up other Besant titles and
see which ones have been reprinted and how that affects the price of
original editions, but if it was me I'd leave it at that and just
conclude that is that this is a scarce but comparatively insignificant
publication, of little interest to anyone except a theosophist
book-collector, who would probably be happy to add it to his/her
collection for a few dollars, but not something anyone would break the
bank for.

John
http://rarebooksinjapan.org
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:52 am
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I haven't listed Memory and its Nature yet.
Also I haven't listed Essentials of an Indian Education.
What are you talking about?
cagard
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:05 am
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I just wish i had a rule of thumb to use. I'll go back to my friend
who sold me the book. see how much more he thinks the 1935 edition is
worth here since i can't find it for sale anywhere. cagard.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:39 pm
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"John R. Yamamoto-Wilson" <john.DeleteThis@rarebooksinjapan.com> wrote in message
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> cagard wrote:
>
>>I just wish i had a rule of thumb to use.
>
> The guiding principle is that the value of a secondhand book depends on
> how scarce it is, how much demand there is for it and what kind of
> condition it is in. You know the condition if you have the book in your
> hand, but you have to turn over all possible stones if you want to
> establish its scarcity and the possible interest anyone might have in
> it.
>
<snip the details, but well worth googling for...>
>

This is a great little tutorial on valuing an unknown book, John. Sometimes
the "how to" and the thought processes that go along with it are just as
important as the "where to look." It's the kind of approach only gleaned
from long experience, and I appreciate your using this example to share your
knowledge and techniques.

Alice
(making notes)
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:34 am
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john,
thank you so much for your analysis.
it was very helpful not just for this book but for describing a method
for evaluating the value of a rare books.
cagard
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:45 am
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John,
BTW. I looked at your website.
I see you like Japanese books. cool.
One of the books in this collection is a Japanese Origami paperback.
white paperback. Satoshi Takagi 1978. The last page has publisher
info.
All the instructions for making the figures are in japanese but we've
been having great fun making things.
The title of the book has english and Japanese on it.
My son enters high school next year and wants to study Japanese.
He loves manga books and anime TV shows.
cagard
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