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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:17 am
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Alright, this is just a theoretical question, but I pose it to anyone who has
read The Vampire Lestat/Queen Of The Damned and is familiar with what was going
on when the Elder put Akasha/Enkil into the Sun and when the older vampires
were burned and the younger vampires died.
Now, my question is this:
Put the first vampires into the sun, and all vampires later down the line get
hurt/die. Now ... wouldn't the same be true that when Lestat was in the Sun,
shouldn't all his fledglings have gotten burned?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:10 am
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I know Lestat was in the sun in the movie, but I don't remember it happening
in the books. Oh no, am I forgetting them already?
Anyways, to answer your question, I don't think they would have. In the
case of Akasha & Enkil, the fact that Enkil was in the sun meant nothing.
It was Akasha that the core of the spirit Amel went into. The core of the
spirit was within the Queen - kill the body of the Queen, and you kill all
the damned. That is why the only way to kill her without killing the rest
of them was to consume her core. So it now lies within Mekare as it had
with Akasha.
-JD
"TheHolaMan" <theholaman DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Alright, this is just a theoretical question, but I pose it to anyone who
has
> read The Vampire Lestat/Queen Of The Damned and is familiar with what was
going
> on when the Elder put Akasha/Enkil into the Sun and when the older
vampires
> were burned and the younger vampires died.
>
> Now, my question is this:
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> Put the first vampires into the sun, and all vampires later down the line
get
> hurt/die. Now ... wouldn't the same be true that when Lestat was in the
Sun,
> shouldn't all his fledglings have gotten burned?
>
> Tell me if I need to rephrase my question any.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:42 am
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Alright, my bad ... Let me rephrase ... When the maker (Lestat for example) is
hurt/burnt/throat slit and put into a swamp, shouldn't all his fledglings feel
the same pain, and even be destroyed by it because they are weaker? You get
what I'm sayin' ...
Akasha burnt = all vampires are burned because they are under her and from her
bloodline ...
Wouldn't that mean all vampires under a certain vampires' bloodline be hurt
when that particular vampire is injured? Get what I'm sayin'?
But then again, maybe I'm just thinking too much into this ...  >> Stay informed about: Question ... All Read ... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 3:39 pm
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In vampire mythology, this would be the case. Kill the creator, and you set
the others free.
It would seem, however, that with the Vampire Chronicles, this does not
happen. Akasha is the 'mother' of them all, which is why they got damaged.
With the rest of the vampires, their offspring seem to continue even if they
are destroyed - otherwise Lestat would not be around. Remember, his creator
killed himself shortly after Lestat was created.
"TheHolaMan" <theholaman.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Alright, my bad ... Let me rephrase ... When the maker (Lestat for
example) is
> hurt/burnt/throat slit and put into a swamp, shouldn't all his fledglings
feel
> the same pain, and even be destroyed by it because they are weaker? You
get
> what I'm sayin' ...
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> Akasha burnt = all vampires are burned because they are under her and from
her
> bloodline ...
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> Wouldn't that mean all vampires under a certain vampires' bloodline be
hurt
> when that particular vampire is injured? Get what I'm sayin'?
>
> But then again, maybe I'm just thinking too much into this ... <!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Question ... All Read ... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 7:22 pm
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In Queen of the Damned, it explains this very in depth. So not to spoil it for
others, I will count on you reading it and finding all these answers. I do
believe Anne addressed all of this in her particular myths.
Victoria
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:39:58 +0200, "vanessa"
<vanessa DeleteThis @DIE.SPAMMERS.DIE.collab.co.za> wrote:
>In vampire mythology, this would be the case. Kill the creator, and you set
>the others free.
>
>It would seem, however, that with the Vampire Chronicles, this does not
>happen. Akasha is the 'mother' of them all, which is why they got damaged.
>With the rest of the vampires, their offspring seem to continue even if they
>are destroyed - otherwise Lestat would not be around. Remember, his creator
>killed himself shortly after Lestat was created.
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>"TheHolaMan" <theholaman DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030722234221.24645.00000599@mb-m28.aol.com...
>> Alright, my bad ... Let me rephrase ... When the maker (Lestat for
>example) is
>> hurt/burnt/throat slit and put into a swamp, shouldn't all his fledglings
>feel
>> the same pain, and even be destroyed by it because they are weaker? You
>get
>> what I'm sayin' ...
>>
>> Akasha burnt = all vampires are burned because they are under her and from
>her
>> bloodline ...
>>
>> Wouldn't that mean all vampires under a certain vampires' bloodline be
>hurt
>> when that particular vampire is injured? Get what I'm sayin'?
>>
>> But then again, maybe I'm just thinking too much into this ...
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:26 am
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Oops! I guess my reply was kind of a spoiler, wasn't it? I pretty much
gave away the ending of the book. Hopefully anyone who reads the post has
already read the book. Sorry.
-JD
"animaux" <animaux.TakeThisOut@podsif9o.net> wrote in message
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> In Queen of the Damned, it explains this very in depth. So not to spoil
it for
> others, I will count on you reading it and finding all these answers. I
do
> believe Anne addressed all of this in her particular myths.
>
> Victoria
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> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:39:58 +0200, "vanessa"
> <vanessa.TakeThisOut@DIE.SPAMMERS.DIE.collab.co.za> wrote:
>
> >In vampire mythology, this would be the case. Kill the creator, and you
set
> >the others free.
> >
> >It would seem, however, that with the Vampire Chronicles, this does not
> >happen. Akasha is the 'mother' of them all, which is why they got
damaged.
> >With the rest of the vampires, their offspring seem to continue even if
they
> >are destroyed - otherwise Lestat would not be around. Remember, his
creator
> >killed himself shortly after Lestat was created.
> >
> >
> >
> >"TheHolaMan" <theholaman.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20030722234221.24645.00000599@mb-m28.aol.com...
> >> Alright, my bad ... Let me rephrase ... When the maker (Lestat for
> >example) is
> >> hurt/burnt/throat slit and put into a swamp, shouldn't all his
fledglings
> >feel
> >> the same pain, and even be destroyed by it because they are weaker? You
> >get
> >> what I'm sayin' ...
> >>
> >> Akasha burnt = all vampires are burned because they are under her and
from
> >her
> >> bloodline ...
> >>
> >> Wouldn't that mean all vampires under a certain vampires' bloodline be
> >hurt
> >> when that particular vampire is injured? Get what I'm sayin'?
> >>
> >> But then again, maybe I'm just thinking too much into this ...
> >
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:28 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:08 pm
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SPOILERS Don't read this if you haven't finished The Vampire Lestat.
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Of course anyone who hasn't read TVL has no idea what this whole thread
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Your "If creator dies then fledglings all die/gets hurt" theory cannot be
true. Lestat's creator threw himself into the fire right after making him
yet Lestat is live and well.
~Shadow
> Alright, this is just a theoretical question, but I pose it to anyone
> who has read The Vampire Lestat/Queen Of The Damned and is familiar
> with what was going on when the Elder put Akasha/Enkil into the Sun
> and when the older vampires were burned and the younger vampires died.
>
> Now, my question is this:
>
> Put the first vampires into the sun, and all vampires later down the
> line get hurt/die. Now ... wouldn't the same be true that when Lestat
> was in the Sun, shouldn't all his fledglings have gotten burned?
>
> Tell me if I need to rephrase my question any.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Question ... All Read ... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:08 pm
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Shadow69 wrote:
> SPOILERS Don't read this if you haven't finished The Vampire Lestat.
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> Your "If creator dies then fledglings all die/gets hurt" theory cannot be
> true. Lestat's creator threw himself into the fire right after making him
> yet Lestat is live and well.
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> ~Shadow
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>>Alright, this is just a theoretical question, but I pose it to anyone
>>who has read The Vampire Lestat/Queen Of The Damned and is familiar
>>with what was going on when the Elder put Akasha/Enkil into the Sun
>>and when the older vampires were burned and the younger vampires died.
>>
>>Now, my question is this:
>>
>>Put the first vampires into the sun, and all vampires later down the
>>line get hurt/die. Now ... wouldn't the same be true that when Lestat
>>was in the Sun, shouldn't all his fledglings have gotten burned?
>>
>>Tell me if I need to rephrase my question any.
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TheHolaMan was pointing out the inconsistency of the fact that Akasha's
injuries are transferred to her offspring, while other vamps' injuries
are not.
--
Jonny
“We do what we do because of who we are.
If we did otherwise, the we wouldn’t be ourselves.”
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:47 pm
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"JBM" <jmay_2003.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> TheHolaMan was pointing out the inconsistency of the fact that Akasha's
> injuries are transferred to her offspring, while other vamps' injuries
> are not.
That's because she was the first and all vampires suffer what she suffers.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Question ... All Read ... |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:52 pm
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in article bg360a$npj$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk, Ben at benbryant.RemoveThis@beeb.net
wrote on 7/28/03 8:47 AM:
>> TheHolaMan was pointing out the inconsistency of the fact that Akasha's
>> injuries are transferred to her offspring, while other vamps' injuries
>> are not.
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> That's because she was the first and all vampires suffer what she suffers.
Actually it has nothing to do with who made who, or who came first. It's
because she had the core within her.
Umm, big spoiler for QOD:
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And now that the core (Amel) is in Mekare, all vampires would suffer if
something happened to her. Even though she isn't the "ancestor" of any of
them. If the core came to reside in, say, David, it would be the same. Etc.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:53 am
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Yes the original primal "spirit" or "demon" resided in Akasha. Its essence is
what kept the race alive forever, and blood-hungry.
DM
>> TheHolaMan was pointing out the inconsistency of the fact that Akasha's
>> injuries are transferred to her offspring, while other vamps' injuries
>> are not.
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>That's because she was the first and all vampires suffer what she suffers.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2003 5:00 am
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Aiight, I get what you're sayin' ... I forgot all about Magnus jumping into the
fire ...
Didn't it seem kinda anti-climatic though, the end of QOTD ...
Heh, throughout the whole book you have Akasha ... Seemingly invincible ...
Then in the two seconds Mekare is in the book, she kills Akasha like *snaps
fingers* that ... Heh ... wow ...  Oh well, I love these books ...
I really wish I liked The Witching Hour ... I found it incredibly boring and
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:50 pm
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TheHolaMan wrote:
> I really wish I liked The Witching Hour ... I found it incredibly boring and
> drawn out ... Eh ...
Stick with it - TWH rocks.
--
Jonny
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If we did otherwise, the we wouldn’t be ourselves.”
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:22 pm
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The Mayfair Chronicles are not riveting, as the Vampire Chronicles. I loved
them and wish Anne would write a fourth and final Mayfair Chronicle, but she may
never do that and so, like a movie left open for sequel or prequel, there's not
a whole lot to do about it.
I am certainly wondering what her direction is going to be.
Victoria
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:50:30 -0400, JBM <jmay_2003.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>TheHolaMan wrote:
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>> I really wish I liked The Witching Hour ... I found it incredibly boring and
>> drawn out ... Eh ...
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>Stick with it - TWH rocks.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ --> >> Stay informed about: Question ... All Read ... |
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