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JinX wrote:

: And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.

Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the worst
stuff of their career when they were working together.

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"Marc-Oliver Frisch" <Derschwarm.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
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 > JinX wrote:
 >
 >: And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
 >
 > Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the
 > worst stuff of their career when they were working together.
 >

I enjoyed the Claremont/Larroca run on Xtreme. Salvador's Excalibur work
was worse than his recent stuff.

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:53:19 +0100, "Marc-Oliver Frisch"
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 >JinX wrote:
 >
 >: And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
 >
 >Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the worst
 >stuff of their career when they were working together.

Has an artist for Excalibur been announced yet?

You know, the idea of Xavier rebuilding a mutant homeland is actually
an interesting idea, the more I think about it, though I don't know if
Claremont has the ability to do anything really interesting with the
political/social possibilities of the concept. He seems to excel at
superhero soap opera, so that's what I expect the series will be
about.
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In article <ver6509vbg75hu9d9nr6gmt4mb6c6p7ens.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Jeremy Henderson <hellpop.TakeThisOut@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

 > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:53:19 +0100, "Marc-Oliver Frisch"
 > <Derschwarm.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
  > >JinX wrote:
  > >
  > >: And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
  > >
  > >Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the worst
  > >stuff of their career when they were working together.
 >
 > Has an artist for Excalibur been announced yet?
 >


Yes. Aaron Lopresti. Which is odd since h and Kordey have a lot of
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Lord Hatred <rspw_hatemachine.DeleteThis@spammelateryahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rspw_hatemachine-68D208.15390013032004.DeleteThis@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
 > In article <ver6509vbg75hu9d9nr6gmt4mb6c6p7ens.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
 > Jeremy Henderson <hellpop.DeleteThis@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
 >
  > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:53:19 +0100, "Marc-Oliver Frisch"
  > > <Derschwarm.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
  > >
   > > >JinX wrote:
   > > >
   > > >: And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
   > > >
   > > >Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the worst
   > > >stuff of their career when they were working together.
  > >
  > > Has an artist for Excalibur been announced yet?
  > >
 >
 >
 > Yes. Aaron Lopresti. Which is odd since h and Kordey have a lot of
 > similarities in style.

Lopresti is kind of styleless and generic. His work in Captain Marvel
recently, which seems to be shot from pencils, was a step up but he
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"Marc-Oliver Frisch" <Derschwarm.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c2vea3$21ijum$3@ID-195503.news.uni-berlin.de>...
 > JinX wrote:
 >
 > : And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
 >
 > Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the worst
 > stuff of their career when they were working together.
 >
 >

I can't see how Larocca's art suffered during the most recent
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On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:30:21 GMT, Janus <janusredway DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

 >"Marc-Oliver Frisch" <Derschwarm DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
 >news:c2vea3$21ijum$3@ID-195503.news.uni-berlin.de:
 >
  >> JinX wrote:
  >>
  >>: And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
  >>
  >> Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the
  >> worst stuff of their career when they were working together.
  >>
 >
 >I enjoyed the Claremont/Larroca run on Xtreme. Salvador's Excalibur work
 >was worse than his recent stuff.

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jinxdv8 RemoveThis @hotmail.com (JinX) wrote in
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 > If the title is about Xavier rebuilding Genosha as a mutant homeland,
 > wouldnt reviving the title "X-NATION" have been more appropriate?

Yes. Since Excalibur is a British concept, it doesn't seem to have much
to do with Genosha, unless Xavier is somehow crowning himself King of
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Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c33nbl$242b75$12@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>...
 > jinxdv8.DeleteThis@hotmail.com (JinX) wrote in
 > news:13d78654.0403130747.767c5d39@posting.google.com:
 >
  > > If the title is about Xavier rebuilding Genosha as a mutant homeland,
  > > wouldnt reviving the title "X-NATION" have been more appropriate?
 >
 > Yes. Since Excalibur is a British concept, it doesn't seem to have much
 > to do with Genosha, unless Xavier is somehow crowning himself King of
 > Genosha.

My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking
on the metaphor of the sword.
I can also see where they would convert the X-Corporation Offices into
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Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > jinxdv8 RemoveThis @hotmail.com (JinX) wrote in
 > news:13d78654.0403130747.767c5d39@posting.google.com:
 >
  > > If the title is about Xavier rebuilding Genosha as a mutant homeland,
  > > wouldnt reviving the title "X-NATION" have been more appropriate?
 >
 > Yes. Since Excalibur is a British concept, it doesn't seem to have much
 > to do with Genosha, unless Xavier is somehow crowning himself King of
 > Genosha.
 >

Claremont gave an answer to this very problem, that pretty much equated the
entire X-Men concept with the Round Table mythos. Alas, I cannot find the
original quote.

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JinX wrote:

: I can't see how Larocca's art suffered during the most recent
: collaboration with Claremont on XXM. Can you elaborate?

Larroca's storytelling was often pretty bad during his collaborations with
Claremont, since it was obvious that he drew things from awkward, unnecessarily
confusing angles or failed to get on paper what the story was asking for. The
silent issue of X-TREME X-MEN, which included part of Claremont's script, was a
particular illustration of that.

Likewise, Claremont's writing suffered in return, presumably because he couldn't
trust his artist to do his job properly. Which led to even more of the
redundant heaps of text describing what was plain from the pictures.

As much as Kordey's art was butchered in X-TREME X-MEN, and as much as Austen's
writing stinks, both Claremont's and Larroca's output improved considerably with
their new partners.

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"JinX" <jinxdv8.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: "Marc-Oliver Frisch" <Derschwarm.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: > JinX wrote:
: >
: > : And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
: >
: > Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the
worst
: > stuff of their career when they were working together.
: >
: >
:
: I can't see how Larocca's art suffered during the most recent
: collaboration with Claremont on XXM. Can you elaborate?

I thought his storytelling was frequently awful when he was working with
Claremont on XXM, possibly down to translation difficulties, i don't know,
and in turn Claremont ended up having to be over wordy, with a ton of
dialogue boxes and captions to try and explain what was meant to be
happening on page.

Jim
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jinxdv8.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (JinX) wrote in
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 > Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
 > news:<c33nbl$242b75$12@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>...
  >> jinxdv8.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (JinX) wrote in
  >> news:13d78654.0403130747.767c5d39@posting.google.com:
  >>
   >> > If the title is about Xavier rebuilding Genosha as a mutant
   >> > homeland, wouldnt reviving the title "X-NATION" have been more
   >> > appropriate?
  >>
  >> Yes. Since Excalibur is a British concept, it doesn't seem to have
  >> much to do with Genosha, unless Xavier is somehow crowning himself
  >> King of Genosha.
 >
 > My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking
 > on the metaphor of the sword.
 > I can also see where they would convert the X-Corporation Offices into
 > Genoshan Embassies.

If they're doing that, it could be a very good idea. Mind you, I still
won't read the book, but the concept does sound interesting. OTOH, this
is all just conjecture and not necessarily what's actually going to
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