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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:25 am
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"Nathan P. Mahney" <nmahney.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> jinxdv8.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (JinX) wrote in
>> news:13d78654.0403130747.767c5d39@posting.google.com:
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>> > If the title is about Xavier rebuilding Genosha as a mutant
>> > homeland, wouldnt reviving the title "X-NATION" have been more
>> > appropriate?
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>> Yes. Since Excalibur is a British concept, it doesn't seem to have
>> much to do with Genosha, unless Xavier is somehow crowning himself
>> King of Genosha.
>
> Claremont gave an answer to this very problem, that pretty much
> equated the entire X-Men concept with the Round Table mythos. Alas, I
> cannot find the original quote.
That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I prefer
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:18 pm
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In message <c2vea3$21ijum$3@ID-195503.news.uni-berlin.de>, "Marc-Oliver Frisch"
<Derschwarm.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> JinX wrote:
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> : And since Kordey is off the project, reteam Claremont and Larocca.
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> Please don't. Both can be good, but each of them produced some of the worst
> stuff of their career when they were working together.
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They did fine work on X-Treme X-Men. I thought they started slow, but by the
end of their run,
I considered X-Treme to be the best X-Book.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:43 am
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In message <c34fk3$231hrc$1@ID-195503.news.uni-berlin.de>, Marc-Oliver
Frisch <Derschwarm RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes
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>Larroca's storytelling was often pretty bad during his collaborations
>with Claremont, since it was obvious that he drew things from awkward,
>unnecessarily confusing angles or failed to get on paper what the story
>was asking for.
In fairness, this was more of a problem with Fantastic Four. Larroca
was going through a phase of producing art which was ridiculously hard
to follow, full of slit-like vertical panels and weird angles. By the
time he got onto X-Treme X-Men, he'd calmed down tremendously.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:43 am
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In message <13d78654.0403150602.6d9459e5.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>, JinX
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>My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking on
>the metaphor of the sword.
According to Claremont, it's a reference to King Arthur and the Round
Table, which he's always considered to be an influence on his X-Men.
*shrug*
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:44 am
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In message <c36a4b$22tul7$8@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>, Dan McEwen
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>That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I prefer
>the X-Men to be people, not living myth.
Ah, but Claremont obviously thinks otherwise. Remember, Claremont was
the writer who killed the whole team, and brought them back from the
dead as "legends." Did we ever find out what the hell that meant?
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:21 pm
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Paul O'Brien <paul.RemoveThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<BHnWqaD8$AWAFwrf@esoterica.demon.co.uk>...
> In message <c36a4b$22tul7$8@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>, Dan McEwen
> <dannyboymcny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes
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> >That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I prefer
> >the X-Men to be people, not living myth.
>
> Ah, but Claremont obviously thinks otherwise. Remember, Claremont was
> the writer who killed the whole team, and brought them back from the
> dead as "legends." Did we ever find out what the hell that meant?
Not that I remember. Weren't they supposed to be using their
presumed-dead status to "strike at their foes with impunity" or
somesuch? I don't recall them ever doing anything of the sort, and
their foes certainly never seemed to have too much trouble finding
them. I seem to remember them spending most of their time in the
Outback squabbling, fending off repeat visits from supervillains who
happened to stumble across their new headquarters, and flatly refusing
to ask a single sensible question about what the hell Gateway was up
to.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:39 am
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:43:53 +0000, Paul O'Brien
<paul.DeleteThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <13d78654.0403150602.6d9459e5.DeleteThis@posting.google.com>, JinX
><jinxdv8.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> writes
>>My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking on
>>the metaphor of the sword.
>According to Claremont, it's a reference to King Arthur and the Round
>Table, which he's always considered to be an influence on his X-Men.
>*shrug*
You're right - not sure how he sees the connection - it's certainly
never been explicitly brought to the front, although he has been using
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:13 am
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David wrote:
>>> That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I prefer
>>> the X-Men to be people, not living myth.
>>
>> Ah, but Claremont obviously thinks otherwise. Remember, Claremont was
>> the writer who killed the whole team, and brought them back from the
>> dead as "legends." Did we ever find out what the hell that meant?
>
> Not that I remember. Weren't they supposed to be using their
> presumed-dead status to "strike at their foes with impunity" or
> somesuch? I don't recall them ever doing anything of the sort
Reavers... Brood... Genosha... then came Inferno (which can be considered
part of this, and included the Marauders)... Master Mold/Nimrod...
> and their foes certainly never seemed to have too much trouble finding
> them.
The only ones that found them were the Reavers and Nanny, and that was
toward the end of the Australian days, and the former made since,
considering the X-Men were using their old base.
> I seem to remember them spending most of their time in the
> Outback squabbling, fending off repeat visits from supervillains who
> happened to stumble across their new headquarters
Repeat? No.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:17 am
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Paul O'Brien <paul.RemoveThis@SPAMBLOCK.esoterica.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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> In message <c36a4b$22tul7$8@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>, Dan McEwen
> <dannyboymcny.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes
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>>That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I prefer
>>the X-Men to be people, not living myth.
>
> Ah, but Claremont obviously thinks otherwise. Remember, Claremont was
> the writer who killed the whole team, and brought them back from the
> dead as "legends." Did we ever find out what the hell that meant?
No, because he never followed through with the idea. Wasn't that one
girl (Tyger Tyger?) supposed to help forge their legend by telling of
their deeds? Of course, then she turned into a villain, so that idea
goes out the window.
Yes, I know Claremont has a penchant for turning people into bigger than
life heroes whose ideals are the purest ever...blah blah blah. I'm not
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:18 am
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Dan McEwen wrote:
>>> That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I prefer
>>> the X-Men to be people, not living myth.
>>
>> Ah, but Claremont obviously thinks otherwise. Remember, Claremont was
>> the writer who killed the whole team, and brought them back from the
>> dead as "legends." Did we ever find out what the hell that meant?
>
> No, because he never followed through with the idea. Wasn't that one
> girl (Tyger Tyger?) supposed to help forge their legend by telling of
> their deeds? Of course, then she turned into a villain, so that idea
> goes out the window.
I wouldn't say she turned into a villain. Sure, she was a crimelord in
Madripoor
(considering the culture in Madripoor, this isn't necessarily a bad thing), but
she never did wrong by any X-Man. She was quite an ally for Logan.
> Yes, I know Claremont has a penchant for turning people into bigger than
> life heroes whose ideals are the purest ever...blah blah blah. I'm not
> interested. I'd take an Emma Frost over them any day.
I then have to wonder whatever tuned you in to the X-Men.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:41 am
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JinX wrote:
> Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c33nbl$242b75$12@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking
> on the metaphor of the sword.
> I can also see where they would convert the X-Corporation Offices into
> Genoshan Embassies.
I wonder though, X-Corp offices are what? They aren't embassies of any particular nation,
especially the US. Are they like the Red Cross or Salvation Army, with small
not-for-profit status and buildings? Are they a business that acts like say, an armed
youth hostel?
I don't think that they can be automatically changed over to Genoshan Embassies. Doesn't
the parent country have some say as to who they want and where? I feel most nations
wouldn't want them.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:22 am
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blakgard RemoveThis @aol.coma.org (The Black Guardian) wrote in
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> Dan McEwen wrote:
>>>> That sounds like Claremont, but it doesn't sit well with me. I
>>>> prefer the X-Men to be people, not living myth.
>>>
>>> Ah, but Claremont obviously thinks otherwise. Remember, Claremont
>>> was the writer who killed the whole team, and brought them back from
>>> the dead as "legends." Did we ever find out what the hell that
>>> meant?
>>
>> No, because he never followed through with the idea. Wasn't that one
>> girl (Tyger Tyger?) supposed to help forge their legend by telling of
>> their deeds? Of course, then she turned into a villain, so that idea
>> goes out the window.
>
> I wouldn't say she turned into a villain. Sure, she was a crimelord in
> Madripoor
> (considering the culture in Madripoor, this isn't necessarily a bad
> thing), but
> she never did wrong by any X-Man. She was quite an ally for Logan.
To me, a crimelord _is_ a villain, even if not necessarily the enemy.
In any case, she failed to be able to keep the legend of the X-Men
going.
>> Yes, I know Claremont has a penchant for turning people into bigger
>> than life heroes whose ideals are the purest ever...blah blah blah.
>> I'm not interested. I'd take an Emma Frost over them any day.
>
> I then have to wonder whatever tuned you in to the X-Men.
I like my heroes flawed. Besides, the X-Men I've been reading about
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:04 pm
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Paul O'Brien wrote:
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> In message <13d78654.0403150602.6d9459e5 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>, JinX
> <jinxdv8 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes
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> >My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking on
> >the metaphor of the sword.
>
> According to Claremont, it's a reference to King Arthur and the Round
> Table, which he's always considered to be an influence on his X-Men.
>
> *shrug*
FFS. Claremont should have been sent to Glue Factory a long time ago, along
with Xavier.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:14 am
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lord zog <evil_lord_zog RemoveThis @spin.net.au> wrote in
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> Paul O'Brien wrote:
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>> In message <13d78654.0403150602.6d9459e5 RemoveThis @posting.google.com>, JinX
>> <jinxdv8 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes
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>> >My guess is that it is a play on "reforging" with the country taking
>> >on the metaphor of the sword.
>>
>> According to Claremont, it's a reference to King Arthur and the Round
>> Table, which he's always considered to be an influence on his X-Men.
>>
>> *shrug*
>
> FFS. Claremont should have been sent to Glue Factory a long time ago,
> along with Xavier.
I tend to agree. That said, enough people like his work that he
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:31 am
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In message <c3frcj$27unj2$7@ID-177615.news.uni-berlin.de>, Dan McEwen
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>I tend to agree. That said, enough people like his work that he
>continues to be published, and it always boils down to the numbers.
And the numbers say Morrison outsells him more than twice over. Even
Austen outsells Claremont comfortably.
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